Catholics only: Do you hate homosexual sex acts (as we are obliged to)?

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goofyjim said:
Oral sex or anal to me is a homosexual act whether it is perpetrated by two men or a heterosexual couple.
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Are you confusing the terms “homosexual act” and “sodomy”?

By conventional definition, a heterosexual couple cannot engage in homosexual acts. They can engage in acts that homosexuals can engage in…in common…but homo- and hetero- are mutually exclusive terms.
 
blessedtoo said:
I think you must be stuck in the late 70’s because in my world (which has the second largest population of gay people) the insult is directed at CHRISTIANS who oppose homosexual behavior. On TV, in film, in all forms of media, the homosexual is completely normalized and even, in some cases, celebrated. The “outcast” culture today are the Christan conservatives who dare to speak out against this indoctrination.
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Yes, many of them insinuate that those who say that homosexual desires and acts are aberrations and distortions to the natural design of man and woman are BIGOTS. Nonetheless, homosexual acts remain to be hated for being as such.
 
Yes, I do hate homosexual acts - and for many reasons, the most obvious one being the sinfulness of the acts. Also I hate such acts because they bring divisions to families and disruptions to a course of fulfilled adulthood to the homosexuals; that’s in addition to the sinful burden the acts place on one’s soul.

Because I’m in my 60s, some friends (same age) have found that their children are engaged in homosexual lifestyles. This breaks my heart for all involved but I know that I could never give the “ok” to such behavior in my own family. Simply, I couldn’t. Many people are called to a single state; all people must be chaste. Oddly, one very close friend of mine is homosexual but she knows I’m RC (she’s not) and that she’ll never find approval from me for any sexually-active relationship. Yet we met at work, serving the poor and we’re close friends. Go figure.
 
urban-hermit said:
The reason I ask is that many threads here have Catholics who understand very well that we are supposed to treat homosexuals with respect (a good thing!), but do not seem to grasp the seriousness of the danger to the homosexual of being sexually active.

I post it here in Social Justice because I feel it speaks very much to the common good, however politically incorrect it may sound.

I have heard people say they have a problem with anybody who treats homosexual sex acts as more serious than other mortal sins, such as contraception or fornication. This makes no sense to me.

I have heard people say that homosexual sex acts are expressions of love, which also makes no sense to me.

Are the “peace and love” people missing the fact that the active homosexuals they love will basically rot in hell if they do not repent?
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We should love the sinner but hate the sin.
 
I have not read all of the posts on this long thread, so please ignore me if it’s duplicative.

I don’t have a lot of patience with this argument that homosexual acts ought be considered licit because it’s their only means of sexual expression.

There are all sorts of people with all sorts of proclivities that are wrong. Some have attraction to children. Some are inclined to have multiple partners. Some (like Jimmy Swaggart, apparently) have some kind of attraction to prostitutes even though they’re married. Some have an attraction to animals. Some have an inclination to rough up their partners. Some are attracted to “snuff sex” or necrophilia.

To me, encouraging homosexual activity just because it’s the proclivity, even if it’s an inescapable tendency, of some, is no more justified than encouraging any of the other perverted or harmful sexual practices to which many are attracted. If it’s wrong, it’s wrong, and there’s nothing else to say about it.
 
Ridgerunner said:
I have not read all of the posts on this long thread, so please ignore me if it’s duplicative.

I don’t have a lot of patience with this argument that homosexual acts ought be considered licit because it’s their only means of sexual expression.

There are all sorts of people with all sorts of proclivities that are wrong. Some have attraction to children. Some are inclined to have multiple partners. Some (like Jimmy Swaggart, apparently) have some kind of attraction to prostitutes even though they’re married. Some have an attraction to animals. Some have an inclination to rough up their partners. Some are attracted to “snuff sex” or necrophilia.

To me, encouraging homosexual activity just because it’s the proclivity, even if it’s an inescapable tendency, of some, is no more justified than encouraging any of the other perverted or harmful sexual practices to which many are attracted. If it’s wrong, it’s wrong, and there’s nothing else to say about it.
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I like your post…it kind of helped me look at the whole topic from a different angle.

But, is it ‘fair’ to place homosexuality in the same basket along with prostitution, snuff, necrophelia and pedophilia? Those four sins are also banned by law, with two of them being practices of the mentally deranged and another being murder.

The act of homosexuality is a sin, just as any other sin. But, does the degree of sin increase when it involves murder, defiled dead persons or children?

I don’t know myself…I’m merely asking…my ‘gut’ tells me that sexual sin involving murder, corpses and children should be more offensive to God than prostitution and homosexual sins, because none of those have a ‘willing’ participant, the participants are forced into the acts beyond their will…but I have nothing to back that claim up with.

Sin is sin…I’m just thinking, there’s ‘wrong’ and there’s flat out ‘twisted/sick’.
 
rboo124 said:
But, is it ‘fair’ to place homosexuality in the same basket along with prostitution, snuff, necrophelia and pedophilia? Those four sins are also banned by law, with two of them being practices of the mentally deranged and another being murder.

The act of homosexuality is a sin, just as any other sin. But, does the degree of sin increase when it involves murder, defiled dead persons or children?
Sin is sin…I’m just thinking, there’s ‘wrong’ and there’s flat out ‘twisted/sick’.
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Sin is sin, I agree with you! But why need a basket? Why speak of degree of sins? All sins are sins! Mortal or venial sins? All of it are hateful! This is the main issue here. We hate sins!
 
agangbern said:
Sin is sin, I agree with you! But why need a basket? Why speak of degree of sins? All sins are sins! Mortal or venial sins? All of it are hateful! This is the main issue here. We hate sins!
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I understand that…but, is it not easier to forgive someone who is hungry for stealing bread than someone who has murdered a loved one?

Sin is sin…but, I’d have an easier time forgiving the thief from stealing my bread than the murderer for killing my loved one.

Being conscious of venial sin does not require absolution prior to receiving the Eucharist…being aware of mortal sin does. Is that not basing sin on degrees of severity? Of course it is.

I hate theft, but I hate murder even more.

I’m just asking if the same applies to the post I questioned. I assume it does…but I’m not nearly as savvy with some specifics of Catholic teachings as others in here.
 
rboo124 said:
I understand that…but, is it not easier to forgive someone who is hungry for stealing bread than someone who has murdered a loved one?

Sin is sin…but, I’d have an easier time forgiving the thief from stealing my bread than the murderer for killing my loved one.

Being conscious of venial sin does not require absolution prior to receiving the Eucharist…being aware of mortal sin does. Is that not basing sin on degrees of severity? Of course it is.

I hate theft, but I hate murder even more.
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Yes, sins are evaluated according to their gravity. But how grave homosexual acts are I think is not the concern of this thread. Homosexual act generally is not a sin against an individual man. That is why man may not fully understand its gravity. It is a sin against God Himself, for the act violates God’s natural design for man. All acts that violate God’s natural design are serious sins against God.Talking of forgiveness? That requires repentance. A commitment not to do the violative act again. A decision to despise the act and every act that may lead to the homosexual act or be identified with it.
 
agangbern said:
Yes, sins are evaluated according to their gravity. But how grave homosexual acts are I think is not the concern of this thread. Homosexual act generally is not a sin against an individual man. That is why man may not fully understand its gravity. It is a sin against God Himself, for the act violates God’s natural design for man. All acts that violate God’s natural design are serious sins against God.Talking of forgiveness? That requires repentance. A commitment not to do the violative act again. A decision to despise the act and every act that may lead to the homosexual act or be identified with it.
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And are acts of adultery and fornication any less acts against God? I believe they are equally grave.
 
goofyjim said:
And are acts of adultery and fornication any less acts against God? I believe they are equally grave.
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So you want to go away from the topic of this thread? Why not start a thread regarding acts of adultery and fornication instead?
 
agangbern said:
So you want to go away from the topic of this thread? Why not start a thread regarding acts of adultery and fornication instead?
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I am not straying from the topic of the thread.:mad: I am simply stating that homosexual acts are no more grave than any sexual acts outside of marriage. I am entitled to that opinion.
 
goofyjim said:
I am not straying from the topic of the thread.:mad: I am simply stating that homosexual acts are no more grave than any sexual acts outside of marriage. I am entitled to that opinion.
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OK. Then what is the implication if “homosexual acts are no more grave than any sexual acts outside marriage”? Does it mean then that we should not hate homosexual acts? Just what are you trying to say in inserting that opinion here?
 
agangbern said:
OK. Then what is the implication if “homosexual acts are no more grave than any sexual acts outside marriage”? Does it mean then that we should not hate homosexual acts? Just what are you trying to say in inserting that opinion here?
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We should hate all sex acts outside of marriage equally, not hate one more than the other.
 
agangbern said:
Yes, sins are evaluated according to their gravity. But how grave homosexual acts are I think is not the concern of this thread. Homosexual act generally is not a sin against an individual man. That is why man may not fully understand its gravity. It is a sin against God Himself, for the act violates God’s natural design for man. All acts that violate God’s natural design are serious sins against God.Talking of forgiveness? That requires repentance. A commitment not to do the violative act again. A decision to despise the act and every act that may lead to the homosexual act or be identified with it.
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Thanks for your reply…it’s been very helpful.

I apologize if my post was a ‘derailment’ of the original topic…I was replying to another post in here that I was confused about.

I have a lot to learn, so I’m somewhat in ‘sponge’ mode when it comes to many posts in here…I don’t mean to continue an ‘off topic’ discussion, I’m just thirsty for answers, trying to learn and strengthen my faith.

I looked for a ‘beginner’s’ section in here, and didn’t see one. :rolleyes:
 
rboo124 said:
Thanks for your reply…it’s been very helpful.

I apologize if my post was a ‘derailment’ of the original topic…I was replying to another post in here that I was confused about.

I have a lot to learn, so I’m somewhat in ‘sponge’ mode when it comes to many posts in here…I don’t mean to continue an ‘off topic’ discussion, I’m just thirsty for answers, trying to learn and strengthen my faith.

I looked for a ‘beginner’s’ section in here, and didn’t see one. :rolleyes:
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There is nothing unusual about it. I too is trying to learn here. The important thing is we feel free to do what we honestly believe is good to do, to share anything that comes to our mind. And we are ready to humble ourselves and accept within our heart what we see here as true.
 
Yes, I hate the sin, just like I hate all sin.

We are called to love one another. So we must love the sinner, hate the sin.
 
hamburglar said:
Yes, I hate the sin, just like I hate all sin.

We are called to love one another. So we must love the sinner, hate the sin.
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I think we have all agreed as to this point…This is the main issue that longed to be answered in this thread.
 
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