Catholics only: Do you hate homosexual sex acts (as we are obliged to)?

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blessedtoo said:
Can we PLEASE put this canard to rest? Christ did not “hang out” with sinners, as though he spent His Friday nights partying with the tax collectors, prostitutes and thieves. He “hung out” with His chosen 12 apostles, Mary Magadalene, Martha, etc., and MINISTERED to the sinners.
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Right, so Jesus DID hang out, and by several accounts, ‘party’ with sinners - unless you mean to suggest that the apostles weren’t sinners, in which case I’d have to say that the Scriptures tell us otherwise.
For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it. James 2:10
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Maybe homosexuals shouldn’t hang out with US!
 
blessedtoo said:
Can we PLEASE put this canard to rest? Christ did not “hang out” with sinners, as though he spent His Friday nights partying with the tax collectors, prostitutes and thieves. He “hung out” with His chosen 12 apostles, Mary Magadalene, Martha, etc., and MINISTERED to the sinners.

BTW: In the “sinners hanging with Christ” scenario, WE are the sinners, not the Savior. St. Paul tells us in I Corinthians:

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Of course Christ hung out with sinners. What Gospel are you reading? He sat and talked with the Samaritan woman at the well. By the standards of the time He should not have even spoken to any Samaritan woman, let alone this unmarried woman with many husbands. That’s why she was surprised He would speak to her, and why the Apostles were confused seeing Him with her. He went to Levi’s house and ate and drank with tax collectors and sinners. How much clearer can Scripture be?

The canard is that Jesus only met with sinners to rebuke them, or that the Gosple means that they were former sinners (as I have heard asserted by others). Of course He ministered to them. The act of meeting with them, eating and drinking with them, and treating them as friends and equals is how He ministered to them.

What part of the Gospel could possibly lead you to believe that He did not hang out with sinners?
 
TMC said:
Of course Christ hung out with sinners. What Gospel are you reading? He sat and talked with the Samaritan woman at the well. By the standards of the time He should not have even spoken to any Samaritan woman, let alone this unmarried woman with many husbands. That’s why she was surprised He would speak to her, and why the Apostles were confused seeing Him with her. He went to Levi’s house and ate and drank with tax collectors and sinners. How much clearer can Scripture be?

The canard is that Jesus only met with sinners to rebuke them, or that the Gosple means that they were former sinners (as I have heard asserted by others). Of course He ministered to them. The act of meeting with them, eating and drinking with them, and treating them as friends and equals is how He ministered to them.

What part of the Gospel could possibly lead you to believe that He did not hang out with sinners?
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So let me see if i can follow your line of resoning.

Jesus hung out with sinners
Homosexuals are sinners, therfore
We should hang out with homosexuals.
But we shouldnt comment on their sin.
 
estesbob said:
So let me see if i can follow your line of resoning.

Jesus hung out with sinners
Homosexuals are sinners, therfore
We should hang out with homosexuals.
But we shouldnt comment on their sin.
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Now you’ve got it. Unless of course you want to comment on your sins.
 
goofyjim said:
I am forbidden the sexual act only. I am not forbidden to feel intimate love for anyone. I don’t really care what anyone says anymore. Love is never sinful.
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Love can be sinful. And thoughts can certainly be sinful.

Here is an example of sinful love. Romantic love is reserved for spouses or those who are open to marry and capable of marrying each other. If a man is married and he allows himself to “fall in love” with another woman, that love is sinful. That woman is also committing a sin if she responds positively to his romantic appeals. It does not matter if they ever even hold hands, they have both committed adultery.

Why? Because the man is giving something to another woman that is reserved for his wife alone. The woman is sinning because she accepts his romantic gestures and returns them.

The same would also be true of people of the same gender. A person, no matter how chaste, must never allow themselves to feel romantic (“intimate”) love for someone of the same gender, or anyone else, for that matter, whom they cannot marry.

Romantic (or “intimate”) love most certainly can be sinful. In fact, it often is.
 
goofyjim said:
Now you’ve got it. Unless of course you want to comment on your sins.
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Not comment on their sins? Puh-leeze! Jesus didn’t just mention the Samaritan woman’s private life as a passing aside in polite conversation - it was a rebuke of her sin which she attempted to cover up.

He ‘hung out’ with Mary Magdalene and yet somehow managed to cast all those devils out of her. He ‘hung out’ with the Apostles to teach them His commandments - and wasn’t afraid to rebuke Peter as Satan. I’d imagine He rebuked the others robustly when need be, in similar fashion.

‘Hang out’ with sinners, sure. Not mention their sins, not try to teach them the way to Christ? Not on your life. Maybe we don’t need to be finger-wagging about it all the time, but sometimes thats what the situation calls for.
 
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LilyM said:
Not comment on their sins? Puh-leeze! Jesus didn’t just mention the Samaritan woman’s private life as a passing aside in polite conversation - it was a rebuke of her sin which she attempted to cover up.

He ‘hung out’ with Mary Magdalene and yet somehow managed to cast all those devils out of her. He ‘hung out’ with the Apostles to teach them His commandments - and wasn’t afraid to rebuke Peter as Satan. I’d imagine He rebuked the others robustly when need be, in similar fashion.

‘Hang out’ with sinners, sure. Not mention their sins, not try to teach them the way to Christ? Not on your life. Maybe we don’t need to be finger-wagging about it all the time, but sometimes thats what the situation calls for.
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Other than his mom sinners were the only people he could have hung out with…
 
LilyM said:
Not comment on their sins? Puh-leeze! Jesus didn’t just mention the Samaritan woman’s private life as a passing aside in polite conversation - it was a rebuke of her sin which she attempted to cover up.

He ‘hung out’ with Mary Magdalene and yet somehow managed to cast all those devils out of her. He ‘hung out’ with the Apostles to teach them His commandments - and wasn’t afraid to rebuke Peter as Satan. I’d imagine He rebuked the others robustly when need be, in similar fashion.

‘Hang out’ with sinners, sure. Not mention their sins, not try to teach them the way to Christ? Not on your life. Maybe we don’t need to be finger-wagging about it all the time, but sometimes thats what the situation calls for.
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Then allow me to use the old AA line (even though I have never been in AA). Every time you poin a finger at someone there are five pointing back at you.
 
Of course Christ hung out with sinners. What Gospel are you reading?
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Same one as you most likely.
He sat and talked with the Samaritan woman at the well.
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Did they become best buds? Did he drop buy every Friday thereafter to chat with her about her five lovers? He spoke to her, he admonished her, he converted her. Was she still a sinner? Of course. But a repentent one.
He went to Levi’s house and ate and drank with tax collectors and sinners. How much clearer can Scripture be?
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Sorry. He didn’t go to “eat and drink” with the tax collectors. That is truly an ancillary point to the story, don’t you think? He went to spread the good news, to convert hearts, to speak to them about their sins. And what happened? They repented. Do you think that if they had rejected Him, laughed at Him and called Him a fool and continued in their sinfulness He would have returned every Friday night just to “hang” with them?
The canard is that Jesus only met with sinners to rebuke them, or that the Gosple means that they were former sinners (as I have heard asserted by others). Of course He ministered to them. The act of meeting with them, eating and drinking with them, and treating them as friends and equals is how He ministered to them.
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Is that what you are doing when you “hang with sinners”? Is that what any of us do when we continue to maintain friendships with unrepentent and closed hearted people? Let’s call it what it is, shall we? Christ did not “hang” with sinners - certainly not in the cowardly way that many of us do (myself included). He MINISTERED to sinners, He converted sinners, He admonished sinners.
What part of the Gospel could possibly lead you to believe that He did not hang out with sinners?
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The parts from Matthew to Revelations.
 
neuro_nurse said:
Right, so Jesus DID hang out, and by several accounts, ‘party’ with sinners - unless you mean to suggest that the apostles weren’t sinners, in which case I’d have to say that the Scriptures tell us otherwise.

Maybe homosexuals shouldn’t hang out with US!
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Were the apostles unrepentent? Did they persist in their sin?

Let’s review.
The one group of folks in the NT that we KNOW refused to allow their hearts to be moved by Christ were the Pharisees. They were obstinant and completely unrepentent.

How did Our Lord handle them? He didn’t do too much “hanging out” with them now, did He?
 
Let me try to apply my contentions to my own situation.

I have many friends from my “former” life that are persistant in sin. For a time, after I returned to the Church, I tried to “hang out” and hang on with them. After a time, it became exhausting and depressing to be around people who not only refused to accept their lifestyles as sinful, but would rather attempt to elevate the sin to virtue. I am not Christ. I am not sinless. It is too much for some to be constantly surrounded by incorrigible people and not feel depleted. We are told to shake the dust from our shoes should God’s message be rejected completely. In my case, I have had to do this more times than I’ve wanted to but my spiritual health has to be protected too.

BUT, there are some in my life still (mostly family) who show tiny signs of softening hearts. With them, I will “hang out” and hang in because they’ve given me something to work with, some glimmer of hope. They remain willing to entertain the possibility that they don’t know everything and that maybe there is a better way.
 
goofyjim said:
Originally Posted by goofyjim View Post
Then allow me to use the old AA line (even though I have never been in AA). Every time you poin a finger at someone there are five pointing back at you.

Originally Posted by estesbob View Post
Only if you have 6 fingers.

Boy you really missed that one didn’t you. Let me know if I have to s-p-e-l-l it out for you.
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Ha ha ha! This really made me laugh. I am sure estesbob did not miss it. He just wanted you to watch out in counting your fingers. If one finger is pointed outward, generally only four remains pointing inward or maybe only three if we do not count the thumb as a finger.
 
agangbern said:
Ha ha ha! This really made me laugh. I am sure estesbob did not miss it. He just wanted you to watch out in counting your fingers. If one finger is pointed outward, generally only four remains pointing inward or maybe only three if we do not count the thumb as a finger.
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Correct.
 
agangbern said:
Ha ha ha! This really made me laugh. I am sure estesbob did not miss it. He just wanted you to watch out in counting your fingers. If one finger is pointed outward, generally only four remains pointing inward or maybe only three if we do not count the thumb as a finger.
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If that’s what he thinks it meant then he didn’t get it.
 
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