Catholics Resist Same-Sex 'Marriage'

[Father_of_9]

There are plenty of news articles all the time about various people and groups who complain about the Church’s teachings on divorce and remarriage, adultery, fornication, etc. Our Church gets attacked by everyone who feels that their immoral behavior should be accepted. So, homosexuals aren’t being singled out. But whenever someone tries to explain the reasons for the Church’s teachings on any of those subjects, they get shouted down or attacked. As someone else pointed out, it’s the homosexual groups that are actively trying to promote their agenda at all costs. So it stands to reason that people in the Church will speak against it more than those issues or groups who are less active. Once again, sex outside of marriage between a husband and wife who are faithful to each other is wrong, regardless of who is involved - a man and a woman, two men, two women, etc.

 

[Fitswimmer]

There are plenty of news articles all the time about various people and groups who complain about the Church’s teachings on divorce and remarriage, adultery, fornication, etc. Our Church gets attacked by everyone who feels that their immoral behavior should be accepted. So, homosexuals aren’t being singled out. But whenever someone tries to explain the reasons for the Church’s teachings on any of those subjects, they get shouted down or attacked. As someone else pointed out, it’s the homosexual groups that are actively trying to promote their agenda at all costs. So it stands to reason that people in the Church will speak against it more than those issues or groups who are less active. Once again, sex outside of marriage between a husband and wife who are faithful to each other is wrong, regardless of who is involved - a man and a woman, two men, two women, etc.

So where are the petitions to get laws banning divorce and criminalize adultery on the books in the states? Where is the push for a Constitutional amendment banning divorce? Why weren’t divorce and adultery included in the Defense of Marriage Act? Why aren’t divorced Catholics called disordered? Why aren’t Catholics who commit adultery excluded from the Church as active homosexuals are?

 

[KathleenElsie]

So where are the petitions to get laws banning divorce and criminalize adultery on the books in the states? Where is the push for a Constitutional amendment banning divorce? Why weren’t divorce and adultery included in the Defense of Marriage Act? Why aren’t divorced Catholics called disordered? Why aren’t Catholics who commit adultery excluded from the Church as active homosexuals are?

Well maybe I can shed some light on this.

Catholics that commit adultery don’t tend to hold public protests and parades in support of their sin. So their sin tends to be private and public scandal.

Then of course there was the split from Holy Mother Church. The main instance of a king being told it was and is a sin to divorce and remarry. This was when the Church of England came into being. None of them are in communion with Rome.

There is no way anyone would kn ow that two people were living in sin unless those people made it known to others. As a child I knew people that lived in together in one home. We usually figured that they were friends or relatives and did not question their sex lives.

Also the word ACTIVE is important here. Unless someone tells others they are ACTIVE in a sin there is not way to actually know what they are doing.

 

[estesbob]

I’m simply asking why we do not see the same level of outrage in the United States over divorce and adultery that we see over gay marriage. On this issue-the religious right is a large group that contains many denominations which advance a common argument against gay marriage that it will destroy the institution of marriage. My contention is that divorce and adultery have been doing a pretty fine job of destroying marriage for years, and those Christians who engage in those behaviors are not being called disordered, mentally ill or being compared to serial killers.

It reminds me of Animal Farm- all sins are equal, but some sins are more equal than others.

Go start a thread on Divorce and adultery if you want. i would be willing to bet that will not find anyone jumping in claiming how wonderful these are and how anyone who opposes them is a right wing bigot.

 

[LRThunder]

So where are the petitions to get laws banning divorce and criminalize adultery on the books in the states? Where is the push for a Constitutional amendment banning divorce? Why weren’t divorce and adultery included in the Defense of Marriage Act? Why aren’t divorced Catholics called disordered? Why aren’t Catholics who commit adultery excluded from the Church as active homosexuals are?

Actually, laws criminalizing adultery were in effect (I believe) for a long time. But even if those laws are still on the books, either they’re not enforced or are challenged for the constitutionality.

If it’s the latter, then that’s the first step in permitting the perversion of sex, which is intended between husband and wife. If adultery is no longer seen as a criminal matter, then it’s not surprising that there is such a push for “gay marriage.”

 

[fix]

So where are the petitions to get laws banning divorce and criminalize adultery on the books in the states? Where is the push for a Constitutional amendment banning divorce? Why weren’t divorce and adultery included in the Defense of Marriage Act? Why aren’t divorced Catholics called disordered? Why aren’t Catholics who commit adultery excluded from the Church as active homosexuals are?

**2383 **The *separation *of spouses while maintaining the marriage bond can be legitimate in certain cases provided for by canon law. If civil divorce remains the only possible way of ensuring certain legal rights, the care of the children, or the protection of inheritance, it can be tolerated and does not constitute a moral offense.

So, civil divorce is not always illicit.

Adultery used to be illegal. Many probably would support recriminalizing it depending on the law.

 

[Fitswimmer]

Well maybe I can shed some light on this.

Catholics that commit adultery don’t tend to hold public protests and parades in support of their sin. So their sin tends to be private and public scandal.

Then of course there was the split from Holy Mother Church. The main instance of a king being told it was and is a sin to divorce and remarry. This was when the Church of England came into being. None of them are in communion with Rome.

There is no way anyone would kn ow that two people were living in sin unless those people made it known to others. As a child I knew people that lived in together in one home. We usually figured that they were friends or relatives and did not question their sex lives.

Also the word ACTIVE is important here. Unless someone tells others they are ACTIVE in a sin there is not way to actually know what they are doing.

There’s no way to know anyone’s sexual activity unless they tell you or they’re engaging in it out in public view. In the case of homosexual Catholics, we are guilty until proven innocent, and good luck proving a negative. I was chased out of a parish based only on gossip but I would bet my salary that there were divorced Catholics in that parish and Catholics commiting adultery who are still sitting in those pews. I have a friend who was approached by church board members, quizzed on his orientation and then asked to leave-he had no partner, was not active at that time at all. Now, he’s turned his back on the Catholic church altogether. I’m betting his parish was no more sin free than any other.

Divorced and adulterous people are not called mentally ill or disordered either. There are open support groups for such folks in many parishes. When was the last time you saw the announcement of a Courage meeting in a parish bulletin?

 

[Father_of_9]

Yes, we’re all sinners. Each of us sins in different ways and in different amounts. The hard part of being a Christian is admitting that certain actions I do are sinful and that I need God’s help and forgiveness to not do them again. Addiction and habituation are strong forces that make it even more difficult to begin and sustain a change in behavior. But it can be done with God’s help. There are two traps though, that many people fall into when they experience difficulty in changing their behavior. One, they can despair and make themselves believe that change isn’t possible. Or two, they begin to rationalize their sinful behavior in hopes that someone else, particularly the Church, will change their beliefs and teachings about the behavior. That is what we’re seeing with all types of immoral behavior, whether it’s adultery, divorce and remarriage, artificial birth control, abortion, homosexuality, etc. Proponents of each continue to attach the Church’s teachings and anyone who tries to promote those teachings. So yes, let’s be vocal about all types of immoral behavior and the need for people to turn to God for His mercy and grace.

 

[edwest2]

Instead of arguing here, why not contact a priest? I mean call him on the phone.

About other sexual issues, let’s review:

In the 1960s, divorce is relatively uncommon. Dating and chapperones. Respect for people. No, I’m not saying it was perfect but I was there. It was better.

1968: Summer of Love (SEX). Have sex with anybody! Off the Pigs! (Kill the Police because they will stop you from) Smoke dope! Don’t trust anyone over 30! Like mom, dad, priests, nuns, etc.

1973 Abortion legalized. Homosexuality removed as psychiatric disorder. Adult (PORN) Bookstores spring up all over the country. Sex is talked about on network TV.

1978 National Organization For Women. “Sisters! Throw off the chains of your oppression!” Women are all victims or potential victims of the men in their lives, laying the groundwork for…

1980s No-Fault Divorce completes its sweep of the country. No kids? $75.00 and you’re out. Call 1-800 DIVORCE. Porn on cable.

1990s Thanks to the groundwork laid by the Hippies, the burn your bra Feminists, the Pornographers and the Illegal Dope Industry, we have porn on TV, totally no clothes strip clubs and porn all over the internet. Christians have lost their way big-time.

Gay marriage is not just about Gay Marriage. Its goal is the same as 1968, sex with anybody in any mix and match relationship imaginable. (Seen on the internet: "The poly’s are waiting to see what happens with Gay Marriage.)

And people like Gloria Steinem are still involved:

firstthings.com/onthesquare/?p=330

Peace,
Ed

 

[Fitswimmer]

Yes, we’re all sinners. Each of us sins in different ways and in different amounts. The hard part of being a Christian is admitting that certain actions I do are sinful and that I need God’s help and forgiveness to not do them again. Addiction and habituation are strong forces that make it even more difficult to begin and sustain a change in behavior. But it can be done with God’s help. There are two traps though, that many people fall into when they experience difficulty in changing their behavior. One, they can despair and make themselves believe that change isn’t possible. Or two, they begin to rationalize their sinful behavior in hopes that someone else, particularly the Church, will change their beliefs and teachings about the behavior. That is what we’re seeing with all types of immoral behavior, whether it’s adultery, divorce and remarriage, artificial birth control, abortion, homosexuality, etc. Proponents of each continue to attach the Church’s teachings and anyone who tries to promote those teachings. **So yes, let’s be vocal about all types of immoral behavior and the need for people to turn to God for His mercy and grace./**QUOTE]

Let’s start treating ALL people from the standpoint that they are innocent until proven guilty. Just because you see a parishioner talking to a woman that is not his wife-doesn’t mean there’s anything going on other than that. Just because you see a woman alone with her children, doesn’t mean she’s divorced. Just because you see a man or a woman alone, maybe not dressed like others of their gender-doesn’t mean that they are active or activist homosexuals.

I’d also love to see the term “disordered” applied equally to all sinful acts, but not ever applied to people.

 

[edwest2]

All sin is disordered. All sin is an offense against God.

My point is, and will always be, too many Catholics were slowly poisoned in their minds and in their hearts. Now, they are numb to sin, listening to the devil who says, “What’s the big deal? Consenting adults! Be Happy… satisfy your flesh… Everybody else is.”

I’ve watched it destroy families and individuals. But God will always take you back if you turn from your sin and repent. Always.

Hey, people with opposite sex attractions are doing a lot of sinning too. But it is not the Church’s job to go to each of their homes, beat them over the head with a stick and force them to confession. I encourage everyone reading, including myself, turn away. Distance yourself. Put your eyes and ears on things that have virtue, that lift the heart and mind. Fear God and thank Him for what you have but not just material possessions for He called us who love Him friends.

Take time for God.

God bless,
Ed

 

[robertla]

We as Catholics who are raised to love one another cannot prohibit two people who want to live with each other, love each other, pray together with each other and live as a family unit. It is Un Christian to not allow two adults who want to be together not be together. It is not right and if you read the bible there are more examples of Jesus accepting those that are different than the one paragraph in the old testament that says it is wrong. I know that Jesus would embrace these people who are not murdering or doing drugs or corrupting us in any way but rather accept them as who they are and want to live in peace with them. I hope that you will think about that the next time you write. Reflect on the teaching of respect, love, and acceptance. Pray that you can do the right thing. Think about what HE would do today if he were here. I am sure that you will see the light.

 

[Eric_Olsen]

yes thats great but you seem to forget that Jesus loved the sinner but hated the sin. Don’t assume for a second that Jesus would be accepting of homosexual behaviour.

when two adults of the same sex participate in sex with each other it is considered un-christian and goes against God’s law.

We as Catholics who are raised to love one another cannot prohibit two people who want to live with each other, love each other, pray together with each other and live as a family unit. It is Un Christian to not allow two adults who want to be together not be together. It is not right and if you read the bible there are more examples of Jesus accepting those that are different than the one paragraph in the old testament that says it is wrong. I know that Jesus would embrace these people who are not murdering or doing drugs or corrupting us in any way but rather accept them as who they are and want to live in peace with them. I hope that you will think about that the next time you write. Reflect on the teaching of respect, love, and acceptance. Pray that you can do the right thing. Think about what HE would do today if he were here. I am sure that you will see the light.

 

[fix]

We as Catholics who are raised to love one another cannot prohibit two people who want to live with each other, love each other, pray together with each other and live as a family unit. It is Un Christian to not allow two adults who want to be together not be together. It is not right and if you read the bible there are more examples of Jesus accepting those that are different than the one paragraph in the old testament that says it is wrong. I know that Jesus would embrace these people who are not murdering or doing drugs or corrupting us in any way but rather accept them as who they are and want to live in peace with them. I hope that you will think about that the next time you write. Reflect on the teaching of respect, love, and acceptance. Pray that you can do the right thing. Think about what HE would do today if he were here. I am sure that you will see the light.

I marvel that the moral standard today is to be better than a murderer rather than to be like Jesus.

 

[KathleenElsie]

We as Catholics who are raised to love one another cannot prohibit two people who want to live with each other, love each other, pray together with each other and live as a family unit. It is Un Christian to not allow two adults who want to be together not be together. It is not right and if you read the bible there are more examples of Jesus accepting those that are different than the one paragraph in the old testament that says it is wrong. I know that Jesus would embrace these people who are not murdering or doing drugs or corrupting us in any way but rather accept them as who they are and want to live in peace with them. I hope that you will think about that the next time you write. Reflect on the teaching of respect, love, and acceptance. Pray that you can do the right thing. Think about what HE would do today if he were here. I am sure that you will see the light.

So if I were to follow your line of thought. We as christians should allow any and all beings to live together and be a family? Age, species, sex, number and behaviors of the persons that want to be together should never matter?

Sorry, but, preaching and teaching morals is something the Jesus did. He condemned the actions. He did not condemn the sinner forever. Remember Jesus told the woman to “go and sin no more”. Jesus did not say go and sin only in your home and in private. Jesus reprimanded the public sinner. If the priests and other religious preached the morals of “love” then there would be confusion as to what “love” is.

 

[Father_of_9]

The story of the woman who was about to be stoned for adultery says more than just the fact that Jesus stopped the mob from killing her. Yes, he did not condemn her, nor are we to condemn anyone for their sins. God alone judges each person and their worthiness of salvation. But the story also implies that the woman knew what she had done was wrong and that she was repentant. Finally, Jesus tells her to “Go and sin no more.” It should be clear that the woman was saved by Jesus because she showed sorrow for her actions and presumably stated her desire to discontinue her sinful ways. She did not try to justify her sinful behavior to our Lord. But how many people today try to?

 

[mom2boyz]

If Jesus were here today, he too would condemn homosexual marriage. Remember he was a Jew. The Old Testament prohibits homosexual behavior. Heck Jesus was the one who said that divorce was wrong and made it clearer that marriage was more binding than the Jews practiced. Now he might be around homosexuals if he were here today. But not to condone their behavior but to point them in the direction to the Heavenly Father which would be to leave that behavior. Love is not about accepting people in their sin even if it makes them “happy.” I don’t think Jesus cared much about our earthly “happiness.” His focus was elsewhere. Jesus was all about getting people to behave better and not accepting unacceptable behavior. For example there is the woman who was being stoned for adultry, there was the woman at the well who was committing adultry, there was Matthew the tax collector, and there were the pharisees who were constantly making a mockery of God’s laws. Every time he points our their behavior and calls them to change. I can’t remember Jesus ever saying “Oh so you are commiting this sin. Does it truly make you happy? Okay if it does then go ahead and keep doing it. The only thing that matters is that you are happy.” If you truly believe he would have “welcomed” homosexual marriage, maybe it is time you really read your Bible.

 

[Crow]

So, civil divorce is not always illicit.

Adultery used to be illegal. Many probably would support recriminalizing it depending on the law.

Sign me up - I would.

 

[Crow]

So if I were to follow your line of thought. We as christians should allow any and all beings to live together and be a family? Age, species, sex, number and behaviors of the persons that want to be together should never matter?
[snip]

Like I said several times; If the bar of moral acceptance is set at consent, anything and everything is permissible.

 

[robertla]

I am sorry but I don’t see it as un Christian to allow two people who love each other to marry. Accepting this will not harm your marriage or relationship with your wife or your children. We should be more worried about heterosexual couples who marry three and four times with out ever thinking about what they do to their children. That is an abuse of the “institution of marriage.”

If you read the bible and see it for what it is, Jesus was always questioning those around him who judged others without looking at themselves. He questioned Jewish traditions that didn’t make sense and was one of the biggest reasons for them rejecting him. Because they were following the writings in black and white and not for what they stand for. Like when he helped a sick person on the sabbath because that women was sick and dying and he performed a miracle and cured her and the Jewish hierarchy saw it as a complete defiance of the word of God. Which was not to do anything on that day including performing a miracle. They reported him to the religious authorities and he simply said, I saved a women today. That is a deed that was done. He stood up for those that were poor and outcast because they were Gods people too. Wether they were right or wrong. And I disagree, Jesus would have surrounded himself with many different types of people. They are all his people.