Catholics; tell me the wrongs in my protestant church!

[Liraco]

Thorwald:

Now tell me, how you come to the understanding, that you have, concerning The Trinity & The Godhead. Even the apostles state that they do not understand the mystery concerning this topic.

There’s a lot I can post and you’ll ignore but here’s one I find VERY interesting:
The Muslim religion specifically states that “God is not Triune” along with Jesus being “just a prophet”. The enemy attacks that which is true (why else is Catholicism the one most bashed?) and here specifically comes out and confirms something perhaps unwittingly.

Thorwald:

He told me, that this (the understanding) was ‘broken’ and I volunteered to ‘fix it’.

God does not change and you need to realize that. He doesn’t make mistakes.

Thorwald:

Satan cannot make Christ or The Lord God Almighty appear.

“Eyes not seen, ears not heard”. I think you’re correct but falsely believe you’ve seen Him. One only contemplates God in the beatific vision and that is reserved to those IN Heaven. Those who have “seen” God do so in different forms but not as He truly is. I do believe you’re not in Heaven yet Thorwald unless the internet can speak to those no longer on this earth (not judging your soul but rather stating a reality).

Thorwald:

The Lord God Almighty created the angels and man. He ‘begot’ Jesus. What was done differently? Why the use of the different ‘terms’?

The Nicene creed answers that: Begotten not made, consubstantial to the Father, by whom all things were made.
God is one even if we can’t properly grasp the concept of one being made up of 3 persons. He is not created because He’s NOT a creature. He is God.

Thorwald:

There are errors in the scriptures. I can now easily pick them out. He did not change the scriptures as they are written, **except **for the understanding of The Trinity & The Godhead, and who has or hasn’t seen God.

You’re contradicting yourself in the SAME BREATH. God does NOT make mistakes, so that is the immediate giveaway that you’re not speaking of God or to Him.

Thorwald:

It is simply another way of saying the same thing.

Saying the trinity is WRONG is not “saying the same thing”.

Thorwald:

Please understand, that this was my first and greatest fear. I went to God in prayer, constantly,

Which is why, I believe, God led you here. At least TRY to be humble in reading what I say to you. I’m NOT trying to bash you, be mean, criticize etc. Rather, I’m convinced that you’ve been deceived and need to learn the truth but you’re closing yourself off to it. One acting out of themselves would tell you you’re wrong and dismiss your words. I am trying to, out of charity, to show you your mistakes. I want nothing more than you see you walk in the light again.

Also, I hope you understand that when one says “pray for him” we do so out of love to have Him give you the graces to accept the truth. It’s not “code” for “he’s crazy” or anything of the sort.

Thorwald:

“Do you think that you can handle it?” I answered Him, “Yes.” Then it all started. I had no idea what I had just agreed to.

I agree you have no idea what you agreed to and that it’s a much different path than the one you think you’re on. Now it has led you here and I will continue to pray that you walk in the right path.

I use nothing but the Word of God, found in my Bible. How can this be of satan?

Admitting He makes mistakes and His word is incorrect is more than enough to show you’re not following His word. You’ve been deceived into thinking you are.

Thorwald:

Good luck with your prayers.

Can you not discern that our prayers are done out of LOVE for you? Even if we WERE to be wrong, why do you not accept honest prayers for you? Jesus came for the sinners, and so even us sinners can pray for the good of others while doing all we can to follow Him. Are you so “righteous” as to shrug off prayers for you?

Did God not teach us to love our neighbor? Then where is your love for us, brother? Why do you throw away these prayers, these gifts of love? Even if we are mistaken, that doesn’t render our honest prayer for you useless.

God love you.

 

[Joe_Brown]

freewebs.com/legionofpeace/biblecheatsheet.htm

 

[jmcrae]

Before I began my ‘learning’ (right after my acceptance of this ‘job’), He asked me, “Do you think that you can handle it?” I answered Him, “Yes.” Then it all started. I had no idea what I had just agreed to.

That does not sound like God, to me. Getting you into something before you knew what it was? No - my own personal experience of God is that He is very, very honest, and you know the worst of it before you ever set foot in it, when it is a task that you are doing for Him. It’s true that He doesn’t reveal anything to you that isn’t any of your business, no matter how curious you may be, but He certainly lets you know what you are in for, when you undertake a task for Him. And you always have the option to say “no.”

 

[Angel7]

In my methodist church we only did communion like maybe one or twice every six months! We didn’t even use wine, instead it was grape juice or pomegramate juice. We didn’t even have a special cup, instead we used many plastic disposible cups. There was not even the unleavened, instead it was normal bread…

No confession, no prayer room for you to go in alone… nothing. It was very social but just not enough.

Roman Catholic Church is so much better for you, confession, prayer room; one for christ, one for mary. A place to light a candle in memory of a decese, an eternal prayer or a plea to God, Christ of for a miracle during alot of suffering.

…I have missed out out on all this for so long (I never knew the Catholic faith) I feel sad for those who will not turn to our church for their spiritruality to grow and be nuertured.

Please tell me the other bad things about my denomination to keep me from ever being so stupid as to go back there… or how about other stuff about catholicism that I don’t know about yet?

P.S. I am currently taking RICA classes. :yeah_me: (yay me!)

xXX zundrah XXx

HAPPY DAYS! Imagine how great it will be in a Church that doesn’t argue wether or not to recieve the eucharist! It’s always there at every mass! G-d Speed on your spiritual journey, may he bless you.
(PS; you should pick a personal saint or a favorite, to help you along the way!)

 

[Angel7]

Well, according to God, I am an Israelite, though I never knew this. My mother was Scotch and my Father was Norwegian. The British throne is an Israelite throne. You see, the Israelites have not ‘disappeared’. God began grafting them back in, when He ‘instigated’ the Protestant Reformation. Good luck with your prayers. I am up against every single religion on the face of this earth. He has shown me the ‘changes’ that various Christian Bibles contain. He is not a ‘happy camper’. All those that are involved with these ‘changes’ are going to be judged as false prophets.

MY JOB HERE IS DONE!

ask G-d to reveal to you the Truth
just say “Lord, reveal to my heart the Truth that is you, guide me, show me, teach me. Wether the Truth is something I want to or do not want to hear. Wether it confirms what I already know, or whether it sheds new Light on me. Lord, with all seriousness, Show me the Truth and the Way.”

Pray it, with a sincere and serious heart. It wont hurt will it? G-dspeed on your spiritual journey, and may he Bless you.
There is much Difference between the Protestants and Catholics, yes.
Remember, Who did Christ build the Church on? The Rock
Who is the Rock? St. Peter
Who is St. Peter now? the Papacy.

 

[Zundrah]

HAPPY DAYS! Imagine how great it will be in a Church that doesn’t argue wether or not to recieve the eucharist! It’s always there at every mass! G-d Speed on your spiritual journey, may he bless you.
(PS; you should pick a personal saint or a favorite, to help you along the way!)

Awww, you have rekindled my catholic fire! Angel your name speaks well of you!
I am so excited now, more than I ever have been!

P.S. My personal saint is Mary, but I hope you don’t think that I am mad if I say that Saint. Andrew has been with me lately… But I’m not sure who Saint. Andrew is!? Was he a diciple?

I love my darling Advocate Mary, she is so gentle.

xxx zundrah xxx

 

[Angel7]

Andrew was a Discilple, I think he was the 1st one to follow Jesus, he was the Brother of Peter. He died on a X cross, preaching to the very last minute.

 

[Zundrah]

Andrew was a Discilple, I think he was the 1st one to follow Jesus, he was the Brother of Peter. He died on a X cross, preaching to the very last minute.

…:snowing: that’s not a good death! But thank you for telling me, i just read a little bit about him on John, chapter six. He was the first diciple!? Nice one, he was also the brother of Peter! He is definatley my personal saint now, thank you!

xxx zundrah xxx

 

[Angel7]

…:snowing: that’s not a good death! But thank you for telling me, i just read a little bit about him on John, chapter six. He was the first diciple!? Nice one, he was also the brother of Peter! He is definatley my personal saint now, thank you!

xxx zundrah xxx

Any time.

 

[brb2]

P.S. I am currently taking RICA classes. :yeah_me: (yay me!)

xXX zundrah XXx

RCIA … runs from Sept. to Easter. You posted this in July

You also mispelled it.

 

[Roman_Catholic_1]

RCIA … runs from Sept. to Easter. You posted this in July

Well she is from London and English people are generally quite strange

God bless

 

[geekborj]

You will believe what you will, as I will believe what I will. Hope to see you in heaven.

Reality check. One may believe what he wants to believe; but Truth will always be the same truth regardless of how we understands the same. If two people don’t share the same understanding of the same truth, how would you know who is correct?

Faith and Reason are like the thumb and the four other fingers, two camps that cannot function very well without the other.

 

[geekborj]

I have already ‘found’ the truth. I am trying to help you find it too. It is very easy. First, match what you believe, against the written scriptures, and secondly, throw out that which does not fit the scriptures. You will make God very happy. Me,…well…I’m already very happy. Love you.

Good for you. Now, God will be very much happier if you would also cultivate that “plant” in your heart. Expand your understanding, get into deeper details of that “truth.” Do not put that “talent” that Jesus has given to you (cf. Matthew 25:14-30; Luke 19:12-28).

Do not scorn the Catholics who have been cultivating that Plant through the help of the Holy Spirit, have now grown into a big Tree (Matthew 13:31-32). You would not see the intricacies of its branches by observing the falling leaves and figs, try to look at its roots, its foundation, and finally from Whom it is taking its nourishment (viz. Eternal Well and Bread from Heaven).

It is not for us to “feel” happy about the Truth (Matthew 10:34-39, Luke 12:49-53, Luke 14:26).

“But to those who did accept him he gave power to become children of God…” (Jn 1:12 NAB) This makes a lot more sense if we believe in the real presence – accepting Christ both as an idea in the Gospel and a reality of body and soul and divinity in the Eucharist.

Note that the Pharisees and the Sadducees threw out all that they cannot find in the Scriptures about the Son of Man. They did not realize that Jesus was indeed the Messiah who they have been waiting for thousands of years. Catholics realize Jesus in the Eucharist not just because of the Scriptures but also because He said so as His apostles told their disciples who told their disciples, who told their disciples, … (Traditio…), until now as it is preserved in the form of what Catholics term as Sacraments (part of that “Tradition”, big ‘T’).

Do not rest until your innermost heart is. God bless us all…

Me, still unrested…

 

[geekborj]

You are so blinded by what you call ‘the true Church’, that you have ceased to look to the Word of God, for the truth. All those that give in righteousness to any church, for the purpose(s) that are written in God’s Word, will receive their just rewards. It is what happens to these funds after they are given to the churches, that is in question. If these funds are being used incorrectly, should you not question your church?

You constantly try to measure my postings, against what you are taught in your Catholic Church. I measure your responses, against the Word of God, as I do the Catholic Church. I prefer to follow the Word of God.

Which “Word of God”? In your visions or in the Bible? I would think that you would rather believe in your visions rather than the Bible because you said:

Thorwald:

We are told in John, that no man has ever seen ‘The Father’ (or the Holy Ghost…as He really is). There is an error in the scriptures. It also states that no man has ever seen God. Many have seen God. Numbers 12:6 refers to God. We have been told in the Psalms, and in the N/T, that Jesus was seen sitting on the right hand of God. The only way to ‘see this’, is if the person also saw God. In Rev chpt 4 & 5, and later chapters, both are seen by John.

It also makes me think that one can see God as He is. Did your face glow after your visions? Moses’ face did glow after “seeing” God “face to face,” but did not see God as He is. Look up what Catholics meant by “beatific vision.”

 

[Liraco]

borj, I’d ask you to just pray for Thorwald as he seems to have left this thread long ago and isn’t coming back.

Perhaps he was just busy, perhaps he didn’t like what he heard that made him doubt. I only pray that what little did get through can grow in him to make him see the Truth and not his “revealed truth”.

So please, pray for him.

 

[geekborj]

Thanks Liraco for the notice. You are right. We should pray for him and all others who have the best intention to purify the Gospel, that the Holy Spirit may guide them back to Him.

Glory be…

 

[tparsons]

P.S. I am currently taking RICA classes. :yeah_me: (yay me!)

Huh? How can this be? RCIA begins in September. Excuse me, but I’ve been reading your posts in other threads and you appear to be all over the map. 1,387 posts in just 2 months. That’s incredible! hmmm??

 

[tparsons]

P.S. I am currently taking RICA classes. :yeah_me: (yay me!)

xXX zundrah XXx

Huh?? How can this be, RCIA begins in September. Looking at your profile I see you have 1,387 posts in just 2 months. Hmmm?

 

[jmcrae]

Huh?? How can this be, RCIA begins in September.

She participated in the Period of Inquiry. The Period of Catechesis begins in September.

 

[Zundrah]

Well she is from London and English people are generally quite strange

God bless

How dare you!