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Saint_Castulus
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anyone out there?what about providing at least basic health care on a international basis?that seems to be the right thing to do?
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cargau
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First, I didn’t think you ever made a payroll or provided a job for another human being.
Second, I sense that you don’t like having your mindset challenged. Saying that a consumer who elects to purchase a new car equipped with a gasoline engine (because he doesn’t want to wait 2-8 hours to fill his (battery) tank) does not value human life is a real stretch. Especially when the president favors infanticide and you want to give him a pass.
What dream world are you living in???
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MindOverMatter2
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Just curious, did you ever learn how to value another living being? Or is waiting 8 hours far too long to consider the value of human life?
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puzzleannie
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of course I am not against it, sign me up,
but what do you mean by “free health care?”
free to whom?
if the patient does not pay, somebody does
it is either an insurance company, whereby all the policy holders contribute and their payments plus investment income pay the health care costs of members
if the government offers health care, the taxpayers pay in one way or another
are you speaking of the various permutations of the Obama policies? none of them are free, not even remotely, no way, nada
repeat 10 times and have it tatooed on your forehead, the truest words ever to appear outside a bible:
there is no such thing as a free lunch
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MindOverMatter2
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I honestly would not be surprised that if there was a limited amount of clean air and it was privatised, you and many other posters on this thread would say its okay to let people die for want of better air. Why do I say this? Because you and the rest of your goons don’t seem to understand that placing profit absolutely above the value of human life is wrong.
I’ll be back when you’re ready to discuss this topic seriously.
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MindOverMatter2
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okay, then lets privatize the air too, because hey, no ones “entitled” to anything here
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JackQ
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Don’t feel bad. I get ignored all the time. I think the Catholic Church should start thinking about doing exactly what you suggest.anyone out there?
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JackQ
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Sure there is:
“And the spirit and the bride say: Come. And he that heareth, let him say: Come. And he that thirsteth, let him come: and he that will, let him take the water of life, freely.”
–Revelation 22:17
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JackQ
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Christ preached that people are entitled to our charity. I think that’s where your missing the boat here.
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MindOverMatter2
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So lets let them die, its not our problem they can’t afford proper health care!!!
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cargau
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I guess you’re right. I have no respect for human life since I don’t drive a hybrid.
I suppose my impatience makes me a really bad person. Just remember that hybrids account for less than 5% of total vehicle sales, so I’m not the only one…
As the cost of research, development and materials drops and the driving range is enhanced. maybe the gap in perceived personal value will diminish enough to become a real alternative.
In the meantime, I don’t think anyone is going to die from the exhaust coming from my Volvo. It’s actually a really clean car.
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bearer
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First, I will pray that you accept Christ’s grace and avoid further ad hominem attacks. That aside, referring to people as “goons” just sounds childish and does not further your argument here.
Second, your argument about privatizing air is not only improbable, but impractical. No one can privatize a global resource that can’t be withheld from people. It’s air, not some commodity to be captured, packaged, and stored.
This isn’t about placing profit above human life. It’s about: 1) allowing people the opportunity to exercise charity–if you force people to pay for someone else’s healthcare, you take that opportunity away and cast aside Christ’s commandment; and 2) building, sustaining, and distrubting services that are by nature expensive and subject to drastic changes in the market–if private health systems don’t make a profit, than the public government systems will, only it’ll be run by federal bureaucrats with taxpayer money instead of doctors and managers actually providing the services on behalf of their clients.
Have you kept abreast of the goings-on in the Medicare and Medicaid systems in recent years? Do you really think that the federal government can manage a healthcare system better than the private sector?
Look around at the various social democracies around the world that are now essentially bankrupt because of highly inefficient and ineffective spending. I’m sorry, but I’m not willing to risk trashing our country for some idealistic social experiment.
God bless you!
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bearer
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No, He didn’t.
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MindOverMatter2
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But you are willing to let people suffer and die for want of a better health system they cannot afford.
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bearer
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People suffer and die whether I like it or not. That’s the life of the fallen on earth.
I do my part to help, but even then it’s through Christ. He alone has the power to relieve the sufferings and bear the crosses of mankind. No public healthcare system will ever erase pain and death in its entirety.
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MindOverMatter2
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But you are willing to let people suffer and die for want of a better health system they cannot afford.
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anthony022071
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There’s nothing wrong with providing free heath care per se,the problem is that universal health care really means that the government is providing it,which is a very unnatural arrangement that gives too much power to the government over people’s lives. It goes back to the old saying,he who pays the piper calls the tune. The more that the government is providing for people’s personal needs,the more that it can mistreat them and keep them in a degrading state of dependency,and they will not be able to escape from its power or hold it accountable. There are people in the government who want to mandate abortion and euthenasia in all hospitals. The government is impersonal and it cannot love persons,and so it is perverse to have it providing health care. It is not the proper responsibility of government to take care of people’s personal needs. It is the responsibility of individuals,families,local organizations and the Church.
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MindOverMatter2
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We are not responsible for the corruption that inevitably comes with a circular Government. You are speaking about something that’s unavoidable and is going to happen anyway. This is not a justification for letting somebody die for lack of a proper health system. The church cannot provide for everything, and it is ridiculous and naive to expect them to. You cannot morally put a price on somebodies life. And if that means taxing, you are dame right I am going to support it, and there is nothing wrong with the government taxing people to help others in an indifferent capitalist market.
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steve_b
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by executive order,1 day after he was sworn in as president, Obama renewed $400+ million taxpayer dollars per year for abortions in Mexico. He made that promise in his campaigning so there was no mistake where he stood before America voted.
abcnews.go.com/Politics/International/story?id=6716958&page=1
This isn’t the only place our dollars are going to fund abortion.
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tonyrey
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There is no doubt whatsoever about which is the lesser evil. It’s easy to make excuses for not helping others - and not to mitigate the unforgivable cruelty of unbridled capitalism…- Status