Catholics who know history: please answer

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If you have a marriage where the husband is a drunkard and beats his wife and refses to stop either then the best hting to do is for the wife to seperate.
The nonCatholics I know have intimacy with Christ.
ALL THAT IS NECESSARY IS THAT YOU LOVE GOD AND YOU WILL HAVE INTIMACY WITH HIM.
And that follows the previous sentence, how?

Many evil things have been committed in the guise of love of God.
 
Your analysis confuses historical individuals in positions of authority within the Church for Church teaching authority. Individuals are sinful to greater or lesser degrees. This does not impact the authority that Christ laid upon His Church for teaching on matters of doctrine and morals.

As Jesus taught his own disciples, sometimes it is necessary to… do as they teach, but do not act as they act. (Mt. 23:1-3) It is the "teaching authority that the Holy Spirit keeps intact. God never promised that all in His Church would be impeccable.

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-Robert
Hisalone, re-read above post twice.
 
Your analysis confuses historical individuals in positions of authority within the Church for Church teaching authority. Individuals are sinful to greater or lesser degrees. This does not impact the authority that Christ laid upon His Church for teaching on matters of doctrine and morals.

As Jesus taught his own disciples, sometimes it is necessary to… do as they teach, but do not act as they act. (Mt. 23:1-3) It is the "teaching authority that the Holy Spirit keeps intact. God never promised that all in His Church would be impeccable.

Peace,
-Robert
There is a difference between on corrupt individual and a system of corruption.we are speaking of asystem of corruption
 
If you have a marriage where the husband is a drunkard and beats his wife and refses to stop either then the best hting to do is for the wife to seperate.
The nonCatholics I know have intimacy with Christ.
ALL THAT IS NECESSARY IS THAT YOU LOVE GOD AND YOU WILL HAVE INTIMACY WITH HIM.
There is no such thing as a Lone Ranger Christian. See 1 Cor. 12.
Love is not about enabling sin. We know that the OT says “The Lord hates the man who covers his garment with blood.” Also Jesus did tell his disciples to flee persecution. That would include persecution within your own family. We are not talking about an abusive relationship. We are talking about a relationship that needs healing.
While individually we may have an intimate relationship with our Lord, that relationship is strengthened when we are joined with others who share the same relationship. We are all members of the same family with Jesus Christ as head of the Church.
The Sacraments are a source of God’s Grace healing us of our iniquities. Every Mass includes repentance, praise, and thanksgiving for the gift of Divine Life that we have received by virtue of the Death and Resurrection of Our Lord Jesus Christ.
Have you considered the possibility that you simply do not know what you are missing?
And yes,my non-Catholic friends and I do share many conversations about our Savior. It is in attending their services that I have disabused many of the false ideas they may have of the Catholic Church.
 
There is no such thing as a Lone Ranger Christian. See 1 Cor. 12.
Love is not about enabling sin. We know that the OT says “The Lord hates the man who covers his garment with blood.” Also Jesus did tell his disciples to flee persecution. That would include persecution within your own family. We are not talking about an abusive relationship. We are talking about a relationship that needs healing.
While individually we may have an intimate relationship with our Lord, that relationship is strengthened when we are joined with others who share the same relationship. We are all members of the same family with Jesus Christ as head of the Church.
The Sacraments are a source of God’s Grace healing us of our iniquities. Every Mass includes repentance, praise, and thanksgiving for the gift of Divine Life that we have received by virtue of the Death and Resurrection of Our Lord Jesus Christ.
Have you considered the possibility that you simply do not know what you are missing?
And yes,my non-Catholic friends and I do share many conversations about our Savior. It is in attending their services that I have disabused many of the false ideas they may have of the Catholic Church.
I have experienced both.
I have found the pearl of great price and would not trade it for what you have for anything in this world.
I am happy that you have found solace in your faith.
God is so wonderfull.
 
Catholics still refuse to admit how vile and corrupt much of the RCC administration was for an extended period of time. They did not want change they refused to change. It took the Reformation to have that change come about.
Hisalone,

For you info. there has been corruption from the begining, I am sure you recall a man by the name of “Judas the betrayer” Who betrayed our Lord Jesus Christ, and whom was an Apostle of Jesus Christ. Now Judas betrayal that was corruption and then some, don’t you think? Was there any reformation back then? NO!!!

Point is that Jesus Christ left his Church in the care of sinful men and from time to time there has been a few Judas’s in the Catholic Church such as Martin Luther, and Jesus Christ new that there would be so!

Here is how you can tell that the Reformation was wrong and not of Jesus Christ, and that is look at the confusion and chaos the reformation has started. from the begining it was doomed to fall apart and so it has to date it has broken into thousands of different protestant churches even some protestant churches handles snakes while they are worshiping Christ.

Hisalone, no matter what you say, the Catholic Church still stands in unity for over 2000 years and the church will be standing strong and tall after we are all dead and burried, lol point is you are wasting your time fighting against Jesus Christ and his church.

So come on home

Ufamtobie
 
I have found the pearl of great price and would not trade it for what you have for anything in this world.

God is so wonderfull.
Have you?

I doubt very much that you have.

But you will.

Because God is so wonderful.
 
My pastor has a heart for God so when he errs he is sensitive enough to admit his error. It is real simple repent and God recieves you for He is close to the humble and contrite of heart.

500-750 years ago the RCC was not humble nor contrite of heart.
No offense but on what authority do you have to speak for the RCC? Please remember the RCC is the Church that Peter started and has been here for a very long time. And remember what Jesus said it will survive! And the RCC not only has a heart for God, the RCC is God. As Jesus said he and his church are one, they cannot be separated! The teaching’s of the RCC have no error, so there is nothing to admit. The RCC is led by the Holy SPirit it cannot fail.
 
No offense but on what authority do you have to speak for the RCC? Please remember the RCC is the Church that Peter started and has been here for a very long time. And remember what Jesus said it will survive! And the RCC not only has a heart for God, the RCC is God. As Jesus said he and his church are one, they cannot be separated! The teaching’s of the RCC have no error, so there is nothing to admit. The RCC is led by the Holy SPirit it cannot fail.
You have all the answers who can tell you a thing?🤷
 
My pastor has a heart for God so when he errs he is sensitive enough to admit his error. It is real simple repent and God recieves you for He is close to the humble and contrite of heart.

500-750 years ago the RCC was not humble nor contrite of heart.
Haven’t seen any repentance for the greater number of sexual abuse perpetrated by pastors of hundreds of Protestant denominations.
Have you?
What about the murders in Salem? What about the murdered Christians during Calvinist period in France? (to name a few)
Were they(Protestants) a model of contrite and humble hearts then?
Have you seen any repentance whatsoever by anyone of the so-called reformers?
Has your pastor repented already?

Or what you have is a double standard?
 
I have experienced both.
I have found the pearl of great price and would not trade it for what you have for anything in this world.
I am happy that you have found solace in your faith.
God is so wonderfull.
Are you sure you would not trade everything you have for the gift that I have received? If you are talking about a personal relationship with Jesus Christ, then I have that. I have been given extraordinary gifts, all received within the confines of the Roman Catholic Church. I have a richness that nobody can take.
 
You have all the answers who can tell you a thing?🤷
Not really, I just don’t understand who named you judge is all. I don’t see how you could judge the RCC and say it is not humble or contrite of heart. I just feel that is a mean and an unnecessary attack on the Church of our Lord and Savior.

Just can’t figure out where that came from. Maybe if you took a Sunday and walked into a RCC and looked around you may feel differently about the church you condemed. I believe you would see what a wonderful and beautiful house of our Lord it really is.
 
Are you sure you would not trade everything you have for the gift that I have received? If you are talking about a personal relationship with Jesus Christ, then I have that. I have been given extraordinary gifts, all received within the confines of the Roman Catholic Church. I have a richness that nobody can take.
I do have a personal relationship with Jesus but it is more than that. For God has chosen me to be a vessel for His Holy Sprit and He calls me a temple of God. It is not about me but it is all about Him. He wishes that everyone would want to be His temple so that we could take Him wherever we go and be a living epistle to all we meet. 👍
 
Not really, I just don’t understand who named you judge is all. I don’t see how you could judge the RCC and say it is not humble or contrite of heart. I just feel that is a mean and an unnecessary attack on the Church of our Lord and Savior.

Just can’t figure out where that came from. Maybe if you took a Sunday and walked into a RCC and looked around you may feel differently about the church you condemed. I believe you would see what a wonderful and beautiful house of our Lord it really is.
I come from a Catholic background.
 
I come from a Catholic background.
Yes I know that’s what you claim, that is why I cannot understand why you would say the thing’s you do. I guess I could understand better if you knew nothing of the faith. Maybe someday you can really see where you misunderstood the faith. Especially with the Eucharist. I do not understand how anyone in this world who does indeed understand the faith, turn away from it, if not for the Eucharist alone. To receive our Lord in Communion every Sunday is just such a awesome thing. Talk about a personal relationship with our lord how can it get any more personal than that! To receive him every Sunday, day in fact if you would choose. How People can say they were Catholic received Communion and say they never had a personal relationship with him. That just blows my mind. When you say a Catholic background, I cannot believe that you mean Church every Sunday, and CCD. Did you live the faith growing up, or were you Baptised Catholic and that was it?
 
You know; the day after judgment day I expect to be called to a reception for all the theologians and preachers of all ages. St. Peter will call us to our seats, probably tell a bad joke and introduce us to the keynote speaker, Jesus the Christ. Our Lord will first tell us to give ourselves a hand, then say: “Nice try folks, but you all got it wrong. Let me set you streight.” I’m as hard nosed an idealog as any, and quite orthadox, but I always have to remind myself to ask: Are the hungry fed? Do the blind receive their sight? Do the poor have the Good News preached to them? Remember, The Preacher wrote: “For in much wisdom there is much grieef, and he increasing knowledge increases pain.” Eccleasties 1:18
 
I do have a personal relationship with Jesus but it is more than that. For God has chosen me to be a vessel for His Holy Sprit and He calls me a temple of God. It is not about me but it is all about Him. He wishes that everyone would want to be His temple so that we could take Him wherever we go and be a living epistle to all we meet. 👍
If I am a temple of the Holy Spirit then I am called to use my gifts in service. If I am to give then I must first be fed. I am fed in the Eucharist and in His Word.
When I attend Mass, I hear the Word of God read from both the OT and the one of the Gospels daily. Every Sunday Mass also includes a reading from Paul. At times, I am the one who proclaims (it is not simply a matter of reading) the Word. In a spirit of ecumenism, many mainstream churches now follow the Roman calendar of readings. God is calling His people to be one in Him and with Him.
There is no “obligation” to attend daily Mass, simply a hunger to be with Him who died for our sins. There is also an understanding when this is not possible.
Yes, I carry Him with me where I go. I am read by my actions.
Attending Mass is only part of what it means to be a Catholic Christian. There must be a continual dying to self so that Christ more fully reveals Himself through me.
Each of us who has received the Sacraments has received the Holy Spirit.
Each of us is bound together within the Body of Christ.
 
If I am a temple of the Holy Spirit then I am called to use my gifts in service. If I am to give then I must first be fed. I am fed in the Eucharist and in His Word.
When I attend Mass, I hear the Word of God read from both the OT and the one of the Gospels daily. Every Sunday Mass also includes a reading from Paul. At times, I am the one who proclaims (it is not simply a matter of reading) the Word. In a spirit of ecumenism, many mainstream churches now follow the Roman calendar of readings. God is calling His people to be one in Him and with Him.
There is no “obligation” to attend daily Mass, simply a hunger to be with Him who died for our sins. There is also an understanding when this is not possible.
Yes, I carry Him with me where I go. I am read by my actions.
Attending Mass is only part of what it means to be a Catholic Christian. There must be a continual dying to self so that Christ more fully reveals Himself through me.
Each of us who has received the Sacraments has received the Holy Spirit.
Each of us is bound together within the Body of Christ.
We are feed by every word that proceeds from God. By spending time with Him He feeds us it is in His prescence we are changed because we cannot save ourselves. By doing Gods will in our lives He is magnified and thus we are feed once again for if we love Him we do His will.
The Holy Spirit is given to every believer at the time they are born again. At the laying on of hands the Holy Spirit is infused into our very bieng. This Spirit is to guide us, help us and teach us as we follow Him. As you follow the Spirit you are dying to self. those that walk by the Spirit do away with the deeds of the flesh.
The Lords Supper is when we can come together as believers in the body to remember what has been done for us and been given to us. Christ is really present during this time as He is truly present at any other time. As we open our spirit to Him He comes in a sups with us and we are one with Him as He is one with the Father. Yes a few verses are read during mass but if you attend mass everyday for 3 years you will still not hear the complete bible.
Christ is with me in all His fullness as I type this. I do not have to go to a chapel or a church but only to set my affections, thoughts and heart on Him.
 
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