Catholocism the only true choice

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With over 3,000 Protestant denominations all claiming to be guided by the holy spirit and be the teaching authority we can see that obviously this is not the case. We have to look into history and the early Church and examine how things were done.
If I recall correctly Jesus established the priesthood and they passed it on by the laying on of hands, where did the tradition come from that John Doe goes to “bible Baptist” college and suddenly he has the authoritive power to interpret and to teach what he thinks is correctly? It is confusing how protestants point the finger at me and try to ‘save’ me from my faulty yet they place their trust in some guy that went to college for a a year and wears a tie???
There can only be one TRUTH, there can only be One real Church and that IS the Church established by Jesus, and it is up to each and every one of us to dig within our hearts and history to find that Church. God paved a path down the mountain and set things up the way He wanted it, how dare man be bolstering enough to think that they have the revolution and Gods’ church is not correct so they can found their own, and if the people in that Church disagree with that pastor go ahead and found your own Church. We judge a Church by what it teaches and not because of the people in it or what they do.
Jesus promised that He would leave the Holy Spirit to guide and protect the Church UNTIL His return and that promise still holds true to this day, so whos promise are you going to put your faith in, Jesus’ promise, or the promise of Pastor John Doe that got a ‘degree’ from a bible college???
 
How can one know that the “church” is the “church” Jesus had in mind?
How do we know it has not gone way off track?

How do we know that the answers are not right before our face but refuse to believe the truth?

What if we are wrong?

Signed~
~Still Confused~
 
The great apostasy! My church is the true remnant, which was hidden until just recently. Rome took over the true church and changed it. It’s not in the bible. We don’t worship Mary like you do. The Apostles were all equal, just like our pastor. Everything you could possibly need is in “the book.” Constantine founded your church, but ours is directly from Christ (est. 1972). We confess our sins directly to God, that’s how we know they’re forgiven. The rock of the bible is our foundation. Your church is too rich. My church didn’t help Hitler in WWII. “Pope” is not in the bible. We don’t need a dead body on our cross. We don’t pray to statues. God wants me to be successful! You know those priests are all rich and have million dollar vacation homes. I’m afraid of the Opus Dei hit squads. I’m born again, even though baptism is not necessary. Blah blah blah…
 
Irene72 said:
How can one know that the “church” is the “church” Jesus had in mind?
How do we know it has not gone way off track?

How do we know that the answers are not right before our face but refuse to believe the truth?

What if we are wrong?

Signed~
~Still Confused~
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Jesus warned of many false prophets who would lead astray and confuse the elect. Return to the early, pre-bible church and read their writings on the faith. It is the early church that founded the practice of the faith and later produced the bible for us.

Christ’s peace.
 
Irene72 said:
How can one know that the “church” is the “church” Jesus had in mind?
How do we know it has not gone way off track?

How do we know that the answers are not right before our face but refuse to believe the truth?

What if we are wrong?

Signed~
~Still Confused~
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Good questions. 👍

IMO, there are many paths to God/The Great Spirit/Creator/Supreme Being - a limitless being being limited by organized religions in many cases. Again, IMO, God will not be limited by anyone’s narrow belief system. The universe is vast and so is God. 😉
 
Swan said:
Good questions. 👍

IMO, there are many paths to God/The Great Spirit/Creator/Supreme Being - a limitless being being limited by organized religions in many cases. Again, IMO, God will not be limited by anyone’s narrow belief system. The universe is vast and so is God. 😉
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And the advantage of this is you get to create your own god in your own image and likeness. and suprise-this god approves of everything you do!
 
Swan said:
IMO, there are many paths to God/The Great Spirit/Creator/Supreme Being - a limitless being being limited by organized religions in many cases.
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And that is your opinion.

But where has God plainly spoken and stated that there are many paths to Him?

Meanwhile I can turn to the Bible and find where Jesus said that He is the way the truth and the life and that noone comes to the Father except through Him.

So then the issue becomes what shall I trust, your opinion or the Bible.

I think I will trust the Bible on this one, thank you very much.
 
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Irene72 said:
How can one know that the “church” is the “church” Jesus had in mind? Because if we read in the Bible there are 4 marks of the true Church, the Church that Jesus had in mind still teaches the same thing to this day unchanged.
How do we know it has not gone way off track?Because everything that the Church teaches can be traced to the mouth of Jesus or a apostle.

How do we know that the answers are not right before our face but refuse to believe the truth?I am not sure I understand the question can you be more specific?

What if we are wrong?Well there are several ways to see if we are wrong A. Does it contradict what the Bible teaches us. B, Can we trace it back to the mouth of Jesus or the Apostles and C. Did the early Church fathers and Catholics believe the same teaching or teach it? IF any of our answers our no then we really must examine it closer.

Signed~
~Still Confused~
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po18guy said:
The great apostasy! My church is the true remnant, which was hidden until just recently. Rome took over the true church and changed it. It’s not in the bible. We don’t worship Mary like you do. The Apostles were all equal, just like our pastor. Everything you could possibly need is in “the book.” Constantine founded your church, but ours is directly from Christ (est. 1972). We confess our sins directly to God, that’s how we know they’re forgiven. The rock of the bible is our foundation. Your church is too rich. My church didn’t help Hitler in WWII. “Pope” is not in the bible. We don’t need a dead body on our cross. We don’t pray to statues. God wants me to be successful! You know those priests are all rich and have million dollar vacation homes. I’m afraid of the Opus Dei hit squads. I’m born again, even though baptism is not necessary. Blah blah blah…
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I hope you were kidding, and if you’re not that maybe you may have been misinformed…:confused:
 
po18guy said:
The great apostasy! My church is the true remnant, which was hidden until just recently. Rome took over the true church and changed it. It’s not in the bible. We don’t worship Mary like you do. I am sorry but your whole statement is quite confusing and does not make any sense to me.The Apostles were all equal, just like our pastor.Actually you are wrong St. Peter was deemed the first pope, He confronted the first heresey, he called the first meeting, he set forth the first law and was clearly a leader in authoritive position above all other apostles. Everything you could possibly need is in “the book.” Constantine founded your church, but ours is directly from Christ (est. 1972). We confess our sins directly to God, that’s how we know they’re forgivenI am sorry but Jesus Christ founded our Church in 33, actually if you read in the New Testament Jesus established the sacrament of Confession and Penance giving the power to the priesthood to forgive and bind sin cf:Matthew. The rock of the bible is our foundation. Your church is too richReally my Church is in 3 million dollars of DEBT because the previous Church was too small for all of the parishioners if we were ‘too rich’ how come we are in debt 3 million??? That’s just a absurd statement.. My church didn’t help Hitler in WWIIAnd neither did the Catholic CHurch anyone has read history knows that the top TWO people on Hitlers’ assisnation list were Jews followed by Catholics the Nazi hated both and the Pope and The Church were many innocent lives killed sheltering the Jews from the Nazis it sounds my friends that you REALLY need to do some real homework on WWII and stop reading Jack Chick pamphlets.. “Pope” is not in the bible.Neither is Protestant or Pastor Joe Blow but what does this have to do with anything??? We don’t need a dead body on our cross.Once again I dont follow your statement oo much or see how it has any relevance. We don’t pray to statuesGood because Catholics dont either.. God wants me to be successful! You know those priests are all rich and have million dollar vacation homesWow you cant be further from reality all priests that I am aware of take vows of poverty and are further from rich in fact they are quite poor and devote themselves to serving as servants dirt poor I cant remember the last time I saw any of my local priests driving a car even.. I’m afraid of the Opus Dei hit squads. I’m born again, even though baptism is not necessary** Really? Wow the first statement is just pure ignorance and the second statement is pure contradiction to the Bible for Jesus said, “You must be born AGAIN of the WATER and of The spirit in order to enter the kingdom.” Im afraid if you say baptism isnt necessary you must not read the same bible as me, wow.**. Blah blah blah…
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Swan said:
Good questions. 👍

IMO, there are many paths to God/The Great Spirit/Creator/Supreme Being - a limitless being being limited by organized religions in many cases. Again, IMO, God will not be limited by anyone’s narrow belief system. The universe is vast and so is God. 😉
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Really? Talk about having a mind so open that your brains have fallen out.

One and the same God who
a) is one alone, a la the Jews and Muslims
b) is a Trinity a la mainstream Christianity and
c) many multiple deities a la Hinduism or Greco-Roman or Celtic paganism

One and the same God who
a) came to earth in human form as Jesus Christ
b) definitely did NOT come to earth in human form as Jesus Christ

One and the same God who
a) heartily approves of abortion - hey it’s the woman’s body and that’s just a blob of cells not a human being
b) sometimes approves of abortion - would allow it in cases of rape and incest, for example, but not on demand
c) never approves of abortion, since that child is a human being with its own right to life from the moment of conception

One and the same God who
a) is fine and dandy with homosexual sex, divorce and remarriage and the ordination of women as priests
b) is absolutely opposed to homosexual behaviour, divorce and remarriage and the ordination of women as priests.

If God doesn’t have opinions on these things then God has (is) not an independent or intelligent being at all. I wouldn’t serve a God who wasn’t independent of me and didn’t think for his/her/itself.

If God is equally fine with all opinions on these things, then God is mentally ill and not an integrated being. Again, I wouldn’t serve God who was insane and had no integrity.
 
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The great apostasy!
Once you read this, they you know you are heading into a giant con.
 
Catitude said:
I hope you were kidding, and if you’re not that maybe you may have been misinformed…:confused:
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I left a perhaps too subtle clue in the “blah blah blah” at the end. My post was a compilation of the usual objections to the One True Church.

Christ’s peace.
 
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David_Vestal:
SORRY! My entire post was a compilation of the usual objections to Catholicism that we hear. My hint at the end “blah blah blah” was again, perhaps too subtle. My post is only serious when spoken by our separated brothers who actually believe that stuff.

Christ’s peace.
 
Catitude said:
I hope you were kidding, and if you’re not that maybe you may have been misinformed…:confused:
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PO18guy was speaking tongue in cheek. if the blah blah blah at the end of his post didnt tip you off a quick look at his proflile would of.
 
David_Vestal said:
With over 3,000 Protestant denominations all claiming to be guided by the holy spirit and be the teaching authority we can see that obviously this is not the case. We have to look into history and the early Church and examine how things were done.
If I recall correctly Jesus established the priesthood and they passed it on by the laying on of hands, where did the tradition come from that John Doe goes to “bible Baptist” college and suddenly he has the authoritive power to interpret and to teach what he thinks is correctly? It is confusing how protestants point the finger at me and try to ‘save’ me from my faulty yet they place their trust in some guy that went to college for a a year and wears a tie???
There can only be one TRUTH, there can only be One real Church and that IS the Church established by Jesus, and it is up to each and every one of us to dig within our hearts and history to find that Church. God paved a path down the mountain and set things up the way He wanted it, how dare man be bolstering enough to think that they have the revolution and Gods’ church is not correct so they can found their own, and if the people in that Church disagree with that pastor go ahead and found your own Church. We judge a Church by what it teaches and not because of the people in it or what they do.
Jesus promised that He would leave the Holy Spirit to guide and protect the Church UNTIL His return and that promise still holds true to this day, so whos promise are you going to put your faith in, Jesus’ promise, or the promise of Pastor John Doe that got a ‘degree’ from a bible college???
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Jesus founded one church which he said the gates of hell would not prevail against it. Funny thing is, look how many folks went through hell at the hands of the RCC. The RCC of today is not the church that Jesus founded. period… Thank God for the Reformers.
 
SIA said:
Jesus founded one church which he said the gates of hell would not prevail against it. Funny thing is, look how many folks went through hell at the hands of the RCC. The RCC of today is not the church that Jesus founded. period… Thank God for the Reformers.
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Thanks for your enlightening and informative rant! Ever ask yourself what your purpose here is? See my prior post regarding cut-and-dried reasons for avoiding Christ’s church. Yours is in there.

Some day, with God’s grace (prepare your snappy retort), you will realize that your church does not trace back to Christ, does not have the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Christ in it. You will be hungry. We will accept you with loving arms.

Christ’s peace be with you.
 
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