See and I don’t see it, in scripture anyways.
But again… here you have a pre-conceived idea that everything has to be in the Bible to begin with. I realize that is unsettling to reject, but ya have to deal with what is there. Sola Scriptura is, in itself, an oversimplification of Christian doctrine. As Jimmy Buffett sings, “The God’s honest truth is- It’s not that simple.”
I don’t think indulgences do deny the atonement. However, that doesn’t make them a correct or useful “mechanism.” I think that the notion of temporal punishment as a legal debt is flawed from the start. The only “temporal punishment” is the pain involved in detaching ourselves from sin. If indulgences are simply declarations by the Church that certain actions will (if done with the right intention) help detach ourselves from sin, I have no problem with them. But this is clearly not how they were traditionally regarded.
Edwin
Can you suggest a better way to execute the ministry of binding and loosing? I can’t.
If the question is about temporal punishment for sins then I would point you to the account of David and Bathsheba in 2nd Samuel 12:1: And the LORD sent Nathan to David. He came to him, and said to him, “There were two men in a certain city, the one rich and the other poor.
2: The rich man had very many flocks and herds;
3: but the poor man had nothing but one little ewe lamb, which he had bought. And he brought it up, and it grew up with him and with his children; it used to eat of his morsel, and drink from his cup, and lie in his bosom, and it was like a daughter to him.
4: Now there came a traveler to the rich man, and he was unwilling to take one of his own flock or herd to prepare for the wayfarer who had come to him, but he took the poor man’s lamb, and prepared it for the man who had come to him.”
5: Then David’s anger was greatly kindled against the man; and he said to Nathan, “As the LORD lives, the man who has done this deserves to die;
6: and he shall restore the lamb fourfold, because he did this thing, and because he had no pity.”
7: Nathan said to David, “You are the man. Thus says the LORD, the God of Israel, I anointed you king over Israel, and I delivered you out of the hand of Saul; 8: and I gave you your master's house, and your master's wives into your bosom, and gave you the house of Israel and of Judah; and if this were too little, I would add to you as much more. 9: Why have you despised the word of the LORD, to do what is evil in his sight? You have smitten Uri'ah the Hittite with the sword, and have taken his wife to be your wife, and have slain him with the sword of the Ammonites. 10: Now therefore the sword shall never depart from your house, because you have despised me, and have taken the wife of Uri'ah the Hittite to be your wife.' 11: Thus says the LORD, Behold, I will raise up evil against you out of your own house; and I will take your wives before your eyes, and give them to your neighbor, and he shall lie with your wives in the sight of this sun.
12: For you did it secretly; but I will do this thing before all Israel, and before the sun.’”
13: David said to Nathan, “I have sinned against the LORD.” And Nathan said to David, "The LORD also has put away your sin; you shall not die.
14: Nevertheless, because by this deed you have utterly scorned the LORD, the child that is born to you shall die."
15: Then Nathan went to his house. And the LORD struck the child that Uri’ah’s wife bore to David, and it became sick.
16: David therefore besought God for the child; and David fasted, and went in and lay all night upon the ground.
17: And the elders of his house stood beside him, to raise him from the ground; but he would not, nor did he eat food with them.
18: On the seventh day the child died. And the servants of David feared to tell him that the child was dead; for they said, “Behold, while the child was yet alive, we spoke to him, and he did not listen to us; how then can we say to him the child is dead? He may do himself some harm.”
19: But when David saw that his servants were whispering together, David perceived that the child was dead; and David said to his servants, “Is the child dead?” They said, “He is dead.”
