Cdl. Burke: God Doesn’t Make One-World Government ‘just and legitimate’

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Cdl. Burke: God doesn't make one-world government 'just and legitimate’ - LifeSite

'In fact, the divine law illumines our minds and hearts to see that such a government would be, by definition, totalitarian.'

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[Emeraldlady]

In my opinion Cardinal Burke is perpetrating scandal in calling Pope Francis support of the UN goals, support for ‘one world government’. The basis of the UN is that there is objective morality and that it is legitimate to strive to recognise that as a global reality. The UN may not be perfect being an institution of mortal men, but in recognising that all men are equal and all men are responsible to each other, is a fundamental Christian tenet.

 

[13pollitos]

The basis of the UN is that there is objective morality and that it is legitimate to strive to recognise that as a global reality.

Many of the objectives pushed by the UN are anti catholic.

 

[Emeraldlady]

Emeraldlady:

The basis of the UN is that there is objective morality and that it is legitimate to strive to recognise that as a global reality.

Many of the objectives pushed by the UN are anti catholic.

Some solutions pushed aren’t in line with Catholic teaching like contraception and the availablity of abortion in third world countries, but as Catholics we continue to strive for better solutions to those problems while recognising the legitimate moral authority of the UN to promote humane Christian global standards.

 

[13pollitos]

This is more of what I was thinking about. The UN has a lot of history of anti Catholicism.

Catholic Bashing at the United Nations

We received copies of this gem from members across the country. The recently concluded three week Preparatory Committee meeting of the International Conference on Population and Development was marred by several incidents of Catholic-bashing. In

www.catholicleague.org

“It is not Catholic-bashing to vigorously disagree with the positions of the Holy See. But when anti-Catholic stickers are conspicuously displayed by representatives of non-government organizations, and anti-Catholic literature is widely distributed in the halls, it cannot be said that the atmosphere allows for serious dialogue. The sticker in question, a rendering of the ‘Ghostbusters’ symbol of a circle and diagonal bar superimposed over the words ‘Papal Control,’ was worn on the lapels of dozens of observers. This kind of Catholic-baiting is done expressly to delegitimatize the standing of the Holy See. The literature, much of it found in the text and the cartoons of the publication Earth Times , is also an appeal to demagoguery.“

They also have a history of not being champions of Christians and Jews.

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All 100 US senators signed a letter to United Nations Secretary-General António Guterres Thursday demanding an end to the “unacceptable” anti-Israel bias in the international body. The strongly worded letter, […]

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“Through words and actions, we urge you to ensure that Israel is treated neither better nor worse than any other UN member in good standing,” the letter said, describing the “continued targeting of Israel” in the world body as “unacceptable.”

Testifying at the United Nations Defending Persecuted Christians from ISIS Genocide | American Center for Law and Justice

Today, we delivered an oral intervention at the United Nations (U.N.) defending our persecuted brothers and sisters in Christ who are victims of genocide at the hands of ISIS (the Islamic State) and other radical jihadists. This oral intervention to the U.N. Human Rights Council (HRC) follows up...

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“In explaining its decision to leave Christians out of their declaration, the Council wrote:

While the Christian communities still living in ISIS-controlled territory live difficult and often precarious existences, are viewed with suspicion, and are vulnerable to attack if ISIS perceive they are seeking protection from non-aligned forces, their right to exist as Christians within any Islamic state existing at any point in time, is recognised as long as they pay the jizya tax.

This argument fails to fully appreciate how the jizya tax is used against Christians and the full breadth of the threats Christians face at the hands of ISIS. ISIS has expressed their specific intent to kill all Christians if they do not convert or pay jizya. Paying jizya or converting to Islam to avoid death are not meaningful alternatives, as the many Christians who are too poor to pay the tax have no option but to flee their homeland, deny their faith, or die.

The jizya tax is a devious ploy of the ISIS jihadists used to extort money from Christians, often right before they turn around and murder those same Christians. Jizya should never be legitimized, especially by an international legal body holding itself out as protecting human rights.“

 

[twf]

Pope Benedict called for a global authority to promote justice and equality as well… this isn’t new with +Francis.

Would Cardinal Burke have decried the unification of Germany in the 19th century? What about the decision of 13 English colonies to form a new super-nation in the 18th century? That’s the one thing I never understand about right wing nationalists… it seems so arbitrary. Modern nation states often emerged as larger super-national entities that obliterated the sovereignty of smaller states that came before them.

 

[abucs]

while recognising the legitimate moral authority of the UN to promote humane Christian global standards.

I don’t recognise any moral authority of the United Nations but I am wary they would wish for such dominion.

 

[abucs]

Would Cardinal Burke have decried the unification of Germany in the 19th century? What about the decision of 13 English colonies to form a new super-nation in the 18th century? That’s the one thing I never understand about right wing nationalists… it seems so arbitrary. Modern nation states often emerged as larger super-national entities that obliterated the sovereignty of smaller states that came before them.

It’s about belonging, trusting the ruling political structure and sharing a common culture.

If people want to join together that’s fine. If they don’t want to, that should also be fine.

 

[Emeraldlady]

Relying on a 25 year old article reporting that some random people associated with the UN protested the over influence of the Church, is a real stretch. The Church is granted the status of permanent observer and gives regular addresses to the UN on different topics regarding human justice. It isn’t anti Catholic.

 

[Emeraldlady]

Emeraldlady:

while recognising the legitimate moral authority of the UN to promote humane Christian global standards.

I don’t recognise any moral authority of the United Nations but I am wary they would wish for such dominion.

The UN is not a ‘they’ it is an ‘us’. It arose from a universal need for a global body to promote and protect peace and equality among all men.

 

[abucs]

The UN is not a ‘they’ it is an ‘us’. It arose from a universal need for a global body to promote and protect peace and equality among all men.

I have no objection to you identifying with them. But they are not ‘us’.

I have the right to decide who I identify with and who speaks for me. They do not.

 

[Emeraldlady]

Emeraldlady:

The UN is not a ‘they’ it is an ‘us’. It arose from a universal need for a global body to promote and protect peace and equality among all men.

I have no objection to you identifying with them. But they are not ‘us’.

I have the right to decide who I identify with and who speaks for me. They do not.

Who then do you trust and rely on to guard peace and equality of all people of the world?

 

[13pollitos]

As I said, it had a LONG history of anti catholic and anti Christian and antisemitism. The other two linked articles are not 25 yrs old. Here are a couple more recent articles as well:

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...anon-psychological-torture-of-women?_amp=true

“The United Nations is stepping up its attack on the Catholic Church’s historic opposition to abortion, suggesting at a meeting Monday in Geneva that it amounts to “psychological torture” of women and should be repealed, a move Vatican officials refuse to consider.

A member of the United Nation Committee Against Torture also charged that the church’s anti-abortion stance has led women to seek out dangerous abortions, according to a pro-church representative at the Geneva hearing Monday.

“They are almost blaming the Catholic Church for unsafe abortions,” said Ashley E. McGuire of the group Catholic Voices USA in a telephone call from Geneva. “The church doesn’t believe there is anything as a safe abortion,” she added.“

And another article from a different source about the same issue:

https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/amp/news/critics-warn-of-bias-in-un-anti-torture-committee-member

“Not only was this a scandalous violation of religious liberty, an important value outlined in multiple U.N. documents, but it’s plain false. As the Holy See pointed out, the torture in the case of abortion is against the unborn and defenseless child.”

The U.N. committee conducted a hearing with a Holy See delegation in Geneva May 5-6 regarding the Holy See’s adherence to the anti-torture convention”

And a different issue:

https://legatus.org/its-time-for-a-catholic-comeback/

“At the international level, it’s even worse: the frequent bombings of Catholic churches, the murder of Christians in the Middle East, and the intimidation of Christians. Yet these atrocious events receive very little attention or outrage, except by some in the Catholic press. No moral indignation from the United Nations, the president of the United States or our elected officials. Now the U.S. government wants to downgrade its Vatican embassy. The media asks me why I’m upset about it. “Don’t be so sensitive,” they tell me.

When do all these subtle and not-so-subtle attacks end? When do Catholics say enough is enough!? How many more examples do we need to hear before we find the courage to speak out and take action? Unfortunately, some Catholics will never take a stand in defense of traditional Catholic values — and for the human rights of oppressed and persecuted Christians.”

There are many others I can link if you would like. It’s not a one time mistake by some observers.

 

[Emeraldlady]

What I do notice is the articles are all US based and that carries its own bias since the US is only grudgingly a member state. The Vatican has continued to be a supporter and contributor to the UN despite the areas of contention because it believes in the concept of the international body. Cardinal Burkes words in the OP article reveal that he is politically motivated in his opinion of the UN by those catch words of modern Americanism esteeming US sovereignty and patriotism above any global common good. Make no mistake. It is easily seen as a political opinion. Not a Catholic opinion.

 

[abucs]

Who then do you trust and rely on to guard peace and equality of all people of the world?

Firstly I think it is wrong to have the goal of equality and even more so any overarching international body with powers trying to make this so.

If we all went back to the stone age we would be equal. Some of the worst groups in the modern era had equality as their stated objective. The Horror of the French Revolution, The killing fields of Cambodia, the swathe of other socialist states stemming from the Bolshevik revolution. Even Hitler’s National Socialists rationale was that the Jewish industrial class was exploiting the German workers and the Third Reich would redistribute the Jewish wealth to redress the balance.

If we put aside what I consider to be very dangerous and even horrific goals of equality and instead talk about economic development for people across the board and what do I trust to deliver this for ever growing numbers of people then I trust what has been doing this since the second world war, that is regulated capitalism mixed with limited but necessary individual national protectionisms for some industries.

What would I trust to broadly keep this process going as well as peace? Well what is keeping it going at the moment is the success of capitalism and countries willing participation in it. It is very counter productive to either go to war with your customers or the people who supply you with goods and services.

For those people who choose to be outside this capitalist model and want to attack it then the might of the United States military is the body at the moment which bears this responsibility.

I think with the development of places like Europe since the second world war and also places like Japan then they too should be taking an agreed amount of this burden and I think Trump was right to point this out.

 

[13pollitos]

Who then do you trust and rely on to guard peace and equality of all people of the world?

Maybe we could trust God to do that. If we all put our trust in God, peace would reign. Putting our trust in humans is sure to disappoint.

 

[13pollitos]

What I do notice is the articles are all US based

That is probably because US based articles are easily found since I live in the US. Based on the posts you’ve made as a response to them, I kind of suspect you would change the bar again if an article listed from today out of Europe was posted.

 

[graciew]

I understand where Emeraldlady is coming from.
In all honesty, I also learnt there was this sort of mistrust and even dislike about the UN here in CAF.
And also to be honest, I heard nothing about it in the US.
As for the article( The Washington Post one)it is to be appreciated that somebody , this US lady is building bridges to help understand what the Vatican stances are
And here again, abuse scandals have left a trace it seems.
Even this lady( I think she a a lady?) says “ seems to be setting the stage” talking about the Torture Committee and she isn t conclusive either.
But I myself cannot say anything much , except that I know people who work at UN abroad ,and that they are fine people and knowledgeable, and /but it is quite a big organization so…
And again that I understand Emeraldlady’s reaction of surprise

 

[Feanor2]

So are all the recent Popes just mistaken in their support of the UN?

 

[Emeraldlady]

Firstly I think it is wrong to have the goal of equality and even more so any overarching international body with powers trying to make this so.

If we all went back to the stone age we would be equal. Some of the worst groups in the modern era had equality as their stated objective. The Horror of the French Revolution, The killing fields of Cambodia, the swathe of other socialist states stemming from the Bolshevik revolution. Even Hitler’s National Socialists rationale was that the Jewish industrial class was exploiting the German workers and the Third Reich would redistribute the Jewish wealth to redress the balance.

If we put aside what I consider to be very dangerous and even horrific goals of equality…

You’ve gone off on some tangent here. I’m quite sure you don’t really mean that equality between people is a dangerous, horrific goal? Or are you part of the re emerging White supremacist mentality that really doesn’t accept that all people are created equal?

What would I trust to broadly keep this process going as well as peace? Well what is keeping it going at the moment is the success of capitalism and countries willing participation in it. It is very counter productive to either go to war with your customers or the people who supply you with goods and services.

For those people who choose to be outside this capitalist model and want to attack it then the might of the United States military is the body at the moment which bears this responsibility.

I think with the development of places like Europe since the second world war and also places like Japan then they too should be taking an agreed amount of this burden and I think Trump was right to point this out.

You are suggesting that capitalism has a genuine moral authority that serves as some kind of universal compass? Heavens. When the self interested fat cat elite have control over what universal values should be, God help us. And in the US that faction now has control of the government no less. We need a body like the UN more than ever before who is capable of recognising people of the world as of equal worth and dignity rather than as lesser weaklings to be exploited to its own ends.