Celebrity priest punished after being caught with woman

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I hate to say it, but this story is making its way to mainstream media websites.

There are people that want to introduce Modernism into the Catholic Church, and that includes getting rid of the vow of celibacy.

This priest took a vow before God to be celibate; stories like these cause Scandal (the sin of Scandal).

The MS (mainstream) Media makes it sound like getting rid of the vow of celibacy will solve all the Catholic Church’s problems (vocations, clergy sexual abuse, priests having sexual affairs with women, etc.).

Even if priests married, wouldn’t it be even more scandalous if they cheated on their wives, divorced, beat their kids, etc.)?? Behavior like that also occurs frequently in families.
what has happened to the man’s free and conscious choice?
Nothing happened to it. Everyone has Free Will. This priest chose from his own Free Will to have a (alleged) sexual affair.

This priest did not have to have a sexual affair with this women if he chose not to; he chose to have the affair.

It is kind of difficult to decipher the mind of another person; however, no one is forced or Determined (Determinism) to commit a bad act or to sin.

People choose to sin as an act of their own Free Wills.
 
He experienced temptation just like we all do and he succumbed…It might have been a sin of pride more than anything else…Priest are as capable as anyone of committing sin

I think the devil goes after them even harder, because with their sins comes public scandal…St Francis once threw himself into a bed of thorns to escape sexual temptation

The greater someone is elevated the harder they fall…I am glad some of his parishioners are forgiving…
 
I think this is sad…This priest isn’t the first to succumb to temption…Scripture is littered with men who dallied instead of resisted…look at David

God still used them…St Paul was a party to murder which is a worse crime than fornication…I am not making light of this mans sin, but you know if it was a priest who wasn’t in the limelight, it would be far easier for the church to handle this sort of thing…They might well have a system in place for dealing with this, but given who he is, it can’t be used

Anytime we lose a priest we should feel sad and pray for him to find God and come to his senses rather than want to see the worst of all punishments meted out

I hope they can find a place, perhaps in another country, for him…We are all sinners too, so we shouldn’t be so quick to wish the worst on him…He could have many fine qualities despite this, and still give years of service to God

It is a serious sin because he took vows, he should be punished but perhaps not defrocked
Fr. Alberto is not being defrocked. You cannot defrock a priest because he has an affair. Since he is a secular priest he can be suspended by the local bishop. Which has already happened. The next step is for Fr. Alberto and the bishop to decide. There are several options:
  1. Remain a member of the Archdiocese, but suspended.
  2. Remain a member of the Archdiocese and sent away to a monastic enclosure for an indefinite period of time.
  3. He can ask for a leave of absence.
  4. He can apply to another diocese for incardination and begin all over. But it takes five years to become a member of another diocese. He would be on probation during that time and can be sent back to his diocese.
  5. He can apply to a religious community; but it is up to the superior of the community to decide if he wants to admit him.
The Church only takes away the clerical status of a deacon, priest or bishop if they commit a crime, not a sin. A person can repent from his sin. If there is repentence, the Church grants absolution.

The Church can impose the penance, but defrocking is not a penance. It is a much more severe action reserved for a much more severe offense.

By the way, Fr. Alberto has not made any vows. He is a secular priest. Secular priests do not make vows. Only religious men and religious women make vows. Secular priests make two PROMISES, celibacy and obedience to their local bishop… This happens when they become deacons, unless they are already married at the time of their diaconate ordination.

A relligious who makes a solemn vow of chastity is in a very different canonical situation, whether he is a priest, brother or cloistered nun. These are the only religious who make solemn vows of chastity. They incur very servere penalties, because their vow is solemn. They have done more than violate a discipline of the Church. They have committed a grave sin against a vow to God, the Church, their founder, their superior, and their community. There are more layers of sin involved. In addition, the vow cannot be erased.

In the case of Fr. Alberto, because he is not a religious, his canonical status remains the same. He is a priest of the Archdiocese of Miami, but is suspended until some appropriate resolution is found.

It is highly unlikely that he will get a dispensation to marry, even if he asks for it. Pope Benedict has placed a freeze on dispensations for priests and for religious brothers.

As to allowing married men to become priests, the Church already has married men who are ordained deacons and priests. Most of the Eastern clergy is married. They do very well as priests, husbands and fathers. We have some Latin Rite married men who are priests and many married men who are deacons.

Changing the rule of celibacy for the priesthood would only apply to a very small number of men. The only men who are subject to this rule are the diocesan priests. Most priests belong to religious orders or religious congregations. Religious must make a vow of chastiy and celibacy or there is no religious life. The evangelical counsels is what makes religious life different from secular life.

In addition one has to consider that there have been millions of men and women who have been celibate during the 2,000 year history of the Church. To say that celibacy does not work or is not practical because we have a shortage of priests is a very selfish statement. We’re tyring to get the Church to change the rules so that we can have our needs met, rather than please Christ.

We have had celibacy for religious since the first century of the Church and for secular priests since the 11th century. We had many deacons, priests and bishops among secular Catholics. The decline in vocations among secular priests has very little to do with celibacy. Why would it have worked in the past and not today? Why are religious orders and religious congregations of men still getting vocations? They HAVE TO BE CELIBATE to be religious.

The secular priest is not declining in numbers because of celibacy. But more because of the fact that secular life is faltering in spirituality, even among non priests.

Fraternally,

JR 🙂
 
If a priest is suspended what avenues of work within the diocese are available to him, anything at all? Or must he find other means of supporting himself?

Is he still able to say mass privately?
 
If a priest is suspended what avenues of work within the diocese are available to him, anything at all? Or must he find other means of supporting himself?

Is he still able to say mass privately?
A suspended priest may not celebrate any sacrament. If he celebrates mass, it is ilicit. He cannot witness any marriage or absolve from sin, because his faculties are taken away. Therefore, these sacraments would be invalid.

The only way that a suspended priest can hear confession is in case of danger of death. There is a law that says the Church provides the faculties for an emergency event ONLY.

There are no positions for him in the diocese. He must get a job and earn his own living. The diocese stops paying his salary, because he is no longer employed by the diocese. Most dioceses will continue to pay their medical insurance and other fringe benefits such as retirement.

The idea of a suspension is to take a priest out of circulation, not to torture him or do him harm.

If he were a member of a religious order or religious congregation, the community has to allow him to live among them and provide for his material needs. But this is not Fr. Albert’s situation, as he is a secular man.

The problem is that most people think that priests are religious, not true. Religious life is distinct from priesthood. Some men have both vocations: religious and priesthood, not all.

One poster suggested locking him up in a monastery. NOT GOING TO HAPPEN unless the religious community of that monastery accepts it. The bishop has no authority over a monastery. Nor can a bishop impose a monastic vocation on anyone. He can offer that as an option to the priest. It is up to Fr.Alberto to accept it or not. There is still the question of whether the monastery will accept him.

However, there are religious communities whose ministry is to rehabilitate priests. One of them is the Holy Ghost Fathers. They run programs and live-in centers for priests with all kinds of difficulties: i.e. drug and alcohol addiction, sex addiction, pedophilia, gambling and so forth. But we do not know if Fr. Alberto has a sexual addiction or simply had an affair.

Sometimes it is better to say nothing and allow the individual and his bishop to find an appropriate solution. The more we say, the more we sin.

None of us are perfect. None of us know this man intimately. None of us are in a position to say what should happen to him. This is a very personal affair (no pun intended) between the individual and his bishop.

Unfortunately, the media is commenting about something that they do not understand.

Fraternally,

JR 🙂
 
It is really a sad situation for everyone…He seems to be extremely talented and might not have trouble finding a job in the media if that is his choice

I hope his choice will be to remain in the church and try to start over if this is possible
 
I think he was not thinking about the Catholic Church when we went to public bars and a public beach and caused a lot of harm.I can understand he is human and was tempted, but he could have been more private, less selfish, and more careful of not damaging our Church. He did not show he cared, really.Didn’t it occur to him that he would be seen and recognized being a tv personality?
People on TV (CNN) were laughing at the whole scandal.
I feel sorry for how we humans are offending our Lord and his Church and making it an object of jokes.
I love you Jesus, please forgive us.
 
It is really a sad situation for everyone…He seems to be extremely talented and might not have trouble finding a job in the media if that is his choice

I hope his choice will be to remain in the church and try to start over if this is possible
He is a very talented young man and probably a very good person. Sin and evil are not the same. A sinner is not necessarily an evil person.

My objective assessment of the situation, can apply to any priest. It goes something like this.
  1. He sinned against his promise of celibacy and against Church law. He did not break the promise. The promise remains in effect, just like a married person who cheats is still married.
  2. He acted irresponsibly. His behavior had serious effects on the life of others including his parish, his ministry, his family and friends, his bishop and it gave food to those who want nothing more than to attack the Church.
  3. He acted like an adolescent instead of an adult. You don’t have an affair in the backyard of your parish and not expect someone to notice. That’s like having your girlfriend in your bedroom when mon and dad are out, hoping that your sister doesn’t come home and catch you or tell on you.
  4. He responded with a moral uprightness. He was out of state when the news broke. He took the first plane back to Miami, reported to his bishop and told his bishop the truth. He did not discredit his partner by revealing her identity. Nor did he discredit the Church by going on national TV complaining about priestly celibacy or justifying himself.
  5. He is not protesting his suspension or his removal from his post, either in private or public. Therefore, he is accepting the consequences of his actions. He thanked his supporters, but did not encourage them to protest. In fact, he said that he accepted his fate and the mercy of God.
All these things have to be weighed in when making a decision concerning his future.

Fraternally,

JR 🙂
 
I would disagree with you on that because we have the example of the Eastern Orthodox clergy who are allowed to marry. In many cases, the wife of the priest adds a new and nice dimension to the Church as she greets people and discusses with people after the liturgy. The Catholic Church allows married deacons and I would be OK with the Church allowing priests to marry.
Mostly smaller more intimate churches. Can you see a poor woman and children in a 2000 family parish being allowed any privacy?
 
I would like to also point something out that the media keeps saying. Eliminating the vow of celibacy will eliminate pedophilia.

NONSENSE!!!

My father molested me and he was married to my mother and they were sexually active at the time. (I’m not looking for sympathy - I’m just witnessing my own account)

How can celibacy lead to pedophelia or being attracted to minors??? That’s just rediculous. This also goes hand in hand with homosexuality. How many men have left their wives because they realize their gay?

I think some secular people are just being stupid. I can’t understand their reasoning!

JR…your posts were really great.
 
You are right if you break one vow you will break another…It is about faithfulness, and not about marriage…It’s about being a person of your word and putting God first in times of temptation…
Exactly.
We had a young, very good looking priest years ago who was accused of inappropriate contact with a woman parishoner. The bishop sent him off to “priest Siberia” for a period of time & eventually allowed him another parish where he did the same thing with another woman…
Either you have respect for the vows you take or you don’t. If you don’t, you will keep breaking them.
 
I have read thru the recent posting. I can understand the different views in reference to the situation of Padre Alberto. As a true believer we are placed on this planet to love, understand and forgive. We were never given the power/rights to place judgment on to others nor do we have the power/rights to act as God in his place. I will not recite the bible to anyone but we all know this is true. The issue I feel must be addressed is why do we glorifying priests? They are human just like the rest of us. They are allow to make mistakes just like the rest of us. Priests are human beings that have selected a life to devoted to God but that does not make them god. “Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.”
 
I have read thru the recent posting. I can understand the different views in reference to the situation of Padre Alberto. As a true believer we are placed on this planet to love, understand and forgive. We were never given the power/rights to place judgment on to others nor do we have the power/rights to act as God in his place. I will not recite the bible to anyone but we all know this is true. The issue I feel must be addressed is why do we glorifying priests? They are human just like the rest of us. They are allow to make mistakes just like the rest of us. Priests are human beings that have selected a life to devoted to God but that does not make them god. “Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.”
Priests are to be “another Christ.” They are called to a higher standard. When they fall it causes greater scandal.
 
Priests are to be “another Christ.” They are called to a higher standard. When they fall it causes greater scandal.
Yes you are right and the church can’t just say ooops…it has to make sure the shepherd is protecting the flock and giving a good example
 
I am glad you are not my confessor…just think of how Christ forgave the woman caught in adultery, and the woman at the well

When someone is brought low they need a hand extended to help them, not a boot to kick them down even farther

Lets try to be a bit charitable, we may need the same charity extended to us at some point in our lives
Yes, I was being humorous. Do I need to put green smily face every time 🤷
 
I think he could do a great deal of good still perhaps in a setting for the terminally ill, or for people trying to overcome addictions

When someone has been shamed by their own actions, and they are sincere, they usually find a fountain of mercy to help others

He could be a great deal of use to the church in many areas, we want our people to feel forgiven not like lepers…if he isn’t cut out for monastic life I doubt that it would do anyone much good…God puts us in the place we are most useful

He has served as a bad example, but he can turn that around to do great works for God
This scandal has cause a rally out there. People are violently defending him and accusing the Church of the strict celebacy practice. Way to go, Padre!

If he want to do penance, he should start out by telling the people that he still stand firm with the Church on celibacy and to encourage the people to be obedient to the Church. In his moment of weakness, he has failed God and the faithful, but this is no reason to protest the Church. What he needs is prayer and forgiveness, not protest.

That is what I think he should say…
 
Church should have new rule:

no handsome man can be a priest 😃
That is pretty much what they told Tom Cruise when he entered the seminary… you have to leave, because your looks will be too much of a problem.

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That is pretty much what they told Tom Cruise when he entered the seminary… you have to leave, because your looks will be too much of a problem.

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I’m not sure which is worse.

Look what happened to him. He was told to leave the seminary, not the Church! Did he get that advice right at the time??
 
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