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debraran
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Yes, I was, thank you.
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redrosetea
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Thank you for pointing that out, I was confused
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CatholicBoy1957
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This was September 20, 2000. About a year and a half later, during a meeting of an apologetics club, he spent an hour and a half bashing the bishop, claiming he was being pressured to take a job in Pittsburgh as a prison chaplain, which he refused, supposedly because the bishop didn’t want him to preach truth from the pulpit, because it would hurt the collection basket. He was not given an assignment for about a year, during which one of his loyal friends told me he worked with another pastor on getting back into praying the office, which this friend felt cured his porn habit. I never spoke to the bishop, but it seems someone did.
I often heard him tell people he became a priest because he really wants 3 wives, but since you can only have one, he became a priest. This reason is in addition to the other reasons, ie, being taken care of, and not working.
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bobzills
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But He chose a married man as the first priest in the Catholic Church?
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JPUSC
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Uhhh, ok!?!
This might be one of the few cases I probably would’ve condoned conversion to Mormonism, Islam or any other polygamous religion, LOL. Strange that he chose the priesthood because he wanted a maid!
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redrosetea
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A wife would have only functioned as a beard for him, I think…It seems he was looking for a life of leisure instead, of a life of service
We can only pray that God sends us better shepherds and all try to be better sheep…I have seen a clip of the parishioners protesting and I felt it was an ugly act on their part…They are questioning the churches stand on celibacy instead of a priests breaking his promise…The priests know the score by the time they have left the seminary
They are trying to turn virtue into sin, and sin into virtue…He was wrong and you should be wise enough not to say ,yes… but…there are no buts
No one has hidden anything from them as far as remaining celibate
Marriage calls us to chastity and we must obey our promise to our partner, and God
Single people are also called to be celibate…It seems like no one wants to play by the rules now,instead they whine, I want to do it, when they know it is forbidden
We all need to pray for priests in our daily prayers, that we get more vocations, and those in the priesthood remain faithful
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CatholicBoy1957
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Yes, he was married, and also embraced celibacy.
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redrosetea
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We really don’t know anything about Peter’s wife, perhaps she and he didn’t have sex? I don’t think Peter had children…I have never heard it mentioned…They might have had a platonic relationship, she could have died, or they might have separated for all we know
I recall his mother in law mentioned in scripture, but nothing more
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bobzills
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We know St. Peter had a wife according to Mark 1:30. and according to Matthew 8:14. St. Peter even had his wife’s mother in his family. So he was married. If St. Peter was married, they why should not Roman Catholic priests have that option also.
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redrosetea
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Because the magesterium and the Pope say no. We are to obey them both Christ gave Peter the Keys of the kingdom, and the power to loose and to bind…I think they are married already to Holy Mother Church
This is all I can find about Peters wife from New Advent
When I say their isn’t anything about Peters wife, I mean nothing about her as a person, not even her name
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Simon settled in Capharnaum, where he was living with his mother-in-law in his own house (Matthew 8:14; Luke 4:38) at the beginning of Christ’s public ministry (about A.D. 26-28). Simon was thus married, and, according to Clement of Alexandria (Stromata, III, vi, ed. Dindorf, II, 276), had children. The same writer relates the tradition that Peter’s wife suffered martyrdom (ibid., VII, xi ed. cit., III, 306). Concerning these facts, adopted by Eusebius (Church History III.31) from Clement, the ancient Christian literature which has come down to us is silent. Simon pursued in Capharnaum the profitable occupation of fisherman in Lake Genesareth, possessing his own boat (Luke 5:3
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bobzills
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As you have indicated here, Peter was married an had children. So Jesus was in favor of having His first priest being married and with a family.
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turtle18
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Something tells me if the apostles had descendants…we would know who they were…if you were related to St. Peter, wouldn’t you want to know?
Tradition has it that St. Peter indeed had a beautiful daughter and he begged God to bring her paralysis instead of a husband…that would indeed indicate the importance of what our first pope thought of leading a chaste life. Probably remembered the words of our Lord, it is better to cut off your hand, your foot…etc if it is causing you to sin.
Tradition also has it that St. Phillip the Apostle had four daughters and they all became consecrated virgins.
It seems if the apostles had offspring, they really wanted celibacy for them–the fact that we don’t have any biological descendants of them today seems to bear these legends/traditions out.
Of course, none of this has anything to do with the original post–it is just kind of interesting I think. But as for clergy breaking their promises, it is nothing new I think. But it is creating a lot of scandal because it is being done in such a public way almost to the point where you think this man might have an agenda.
The world needs our prayers; our priests needs our prayers; our parishioners need our prayers.
Tradition has it that St. Peter indeed had a beautiful daughter and he begged God to bring her paralysis instead of a husband…that would indeed indicate the importance of what our first pope thought of leading a chaste life. Probably remembered the words of our Lord, it is better to cut off your hand, your foot…etc if it is causing you to sin.
Tradition also has it that St. Phillip the Apostle had four daughters and they all became consecrated virgins.
It seems if the apostles had offspring, they really wanted celibacy for them–the fact that we don’t have any biological descendants of them today seems to bear these legends/traditions out.
Of course, none of this has anything to do with the original post–it is just kind of interesting I think. But as for clergy breaking their promises, it is nothing new I think. But it is creating a lot of scandal because it is being done in such a public way almost to the point where you think this man might have an agenda.
The world needs our prayers; our priests needs our prayers; our parishioners need our prayers.
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redrosetea
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We know he was in favor of Peter ,but the rest of the 12 were single, and Peter was the Pope…We also know as catholic we are to obey the Pope who speaks for the church…and that is good enough for me
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debraran
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Didn’t Christ indicate that he wanted them to be celibate and not have family issues?
I always thought Peter’s family and any other married apostles didn’t have it very well…who wants a husband that is never home? It showed his service was to Jesus and he couldn’t really serve both well, to do what he did and die the way he did, he wasn’t the “Joseph” type of husband/father.
He said, “Not all can accept this teaching; but those to whom it has been given -there are eunuchs who have made themselves so for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. Let him accept it who can.” (Matt. 19:10-12)
I always thought Peter’s family and any other married apostles didn’t have it very well…who wants a husband that is never home? It showed his service was to Jesus and he couldn’t really serve both well, to do what he did and die the way he did, he wasn’t the “Joseph” type of husband/father.
He said, “Not all can accept this teaching; but those to whom it has been given -there are eunuchs who have made themselves so for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. Let him accept it who can.” (Matt. 19:10-12)
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redrosetea
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From this passage we might assume this…We also don’t know what Christ required of St Peter and his wife…He might have told them to live as brother and sister?
Scripture leave gaps for us, but to go against the current of church tradition just to satisfy ourselves is really being selfish, and I think sinful
Any person entering our clergy, except for deacons know, they are called to a single life, and so do the rest of us
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debraran
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From what I’ve seen from Rabbi’s wives and ministers, it isn’t any easy life. If you do one vocation well, someone is short-changed. Priests have a lot to do and to share him with his congregation and to have a wife and many children, seems very difficult. And supporting them is a lot of money (think schooling, college, health issues)
Outside of a parish, I could never see any communites with married priests obviously. They serve the poor, the outcasts, daily, 24 hours sometimes, how could you be married?
Outside of a parish, I could never see any communites with married priests obviously. They serve the poor, the outcasts, daily, 24 hours sometimes, how could you be married?
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redrosetea
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Christ’s own parents were celibate and they might well have been the role model for the clergy back then:shrug:
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Norminha
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Isn’t true that a Catholic priest can’t get married after his ordination? This was thought to me at a young age. Am I already forgetting something?
I believe the teachings of Holy Mother Church have been clear from the beginning and will continue to be. Once a man is ordained priest, he can’t get married, he’ll have to receive the proper dispensation from the Church if he chose to leave but he’ll be a priest for ever.
Now, I believe hundreds of years ago, yes, the Catholic priest were married, but that has changed for ever. A man has the chance to leave seminary if he’s called to the vocation of marriage instead.
The Catholic Church is the Mystical Body of Christ. Her members are united by supernatural bonds with one another and with Christ as the Head, therefore the members and head of the living human body are alike. If Christ, the Head of the Church was never married why His priests should be.
I also learned that the only exception to the above is after the new provision in 1980/1? introduced by PJ II approving an Episcopal minister to became a Catholic priest; he’ll be received in the Church with a wife and children.
This is what I’ve learned since my early age; if I’m mistaken please, correct me. Failure to know my Faith is a grave err for me. Thanks
I believe the teachings of Holy Mother Church have been clear from the beginning and will continue to be. Once a man is ordained priest, he can’t get married, he’ll have to receive the proper dispensation from the Church if he chose to leave but he’ll be a priest for ever.
Now, I believe hundreds of years ago, yes, the Catholic priest were married, but that has changed for ever. A man has the chance to leave seminary if he’s called to the vocation of marriage instead.
The Catholic Church is the Mystical Body of Christ. Her members are united by supernatural bonds with one another and with Christ as the Head, therefore the members and head of the living human body are alike. If Christ, the Head of the Church was never married why His priests should be.
I also learned that the only exception to the above is after the new provision in 1980/1? introduced by PJ II approving an Episcopal minister to became a Catholic priest; he’ll be received in the Church with a wife and children.
This is what I’ve learned since my early age; if I’m mistaken please, correct me. Failure to know my Faith is a grave err for me. Thanks
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CatholicBoy1957
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Yes, Episcopal priests are being received into the Church, and they are still married, but they take some form of a vow, or maybe it’s only a promise, of celibacy, in that, if their wife dies, they do not remarry. In the Eastern churches, I’ve read that many do not have daily mass because they are not supposed to have relations within 24 hours of celebrating mass. I don’t know if that’s the case for the Episcopal priests, but according to Cardinal Stickler’s book, in the early centuries of the church, continence was permanent for those that were married, then ordained.
Isn’t true that a Catholic priest can’t get married after his ordination? This was thought to me at a young age. Am I already forgetting something?
I believe the teachings of Holy Mother Church have been clear from the beginning and will continue to be. Once a man is ordained priest, he can’t get married, he’ll have to receive the proper dispensation from the Church if he chose to leave but he’ll be a priest for ever.
Now, I believe hundreds of years ago, yes, the Catholic priest were married, but that has changed for ever. A man has the chance to leave seminary if he’s called to the vocation of marriage instead.
The Catholic Church is the Mystical Body of Christ. Her members are united by supernatural bonds with one another and with Christ as the Head, therefore the members and head of the living human body are alike. If Christ, the Head of the Church was never married why His priests should be.
I also learned that the only exception to the above is after the new provision in 1980/1? introduced by PJ II approving an Episcopal minister to became a Catholic priest; he’ll be received in the Church with a wife and children.
This is what I’ve learned since my early age; if I’m mistaken please, correct me. Failure to know my Faith is a grave err for me. Thanks
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JPUSC
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That’s interesting. Can you post a link? I’ve never heard of that before.
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