Celebrity priest punished after being caught with woman

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was anyone else relieved it wasn’t a little boy? it’s sad that the catholic priesthood has fallen to that level.

the CC is just being plain old stubborn by not allowing priests to marry, now we’re stuck with parishes with too few priests, and the ones we do have are homosexuals, pederests, and weirdos… open the priesthood to marriage and get some red blooded normal men into the priesthood please!
 
was anyone else relieved it wasn’t a little boy? it’s sad that the catholic priesthood has fallen to that level.

the CC is just being plain old stubborn by not allowing priests to marry, now we’re stuck with parishes with too few priests, and the ones we do have are homosexuals, pederests, and weirdos… open the priesthood to marriage and get some red blooded normal men into the priesthood please!
So you want the Catholic priesthood to fall to an even lower level? If Fr. Cutie were married, he would be unchaste AND cheating on a wife, the pedophiles would be unchaste AND cheating on their wives, we would have homosexuals and other wierdos, just like Protestant churches, just like an Episcopal church 2 miles from my house, where the police filed over 5,000 (five thousand) charges, involving children, against the assistant pastor, who was MARRIED with children! Do you think the wife and children felt good about that?

Nice footnote. I had a funny hunch you weren’t Christian, but thanks for the affirmation.
 
We know he was in favor of Peter ,but the rest of the 12 were single, and Peter was the Pope.
Oh, really?
How do you explain the passage from Ante-Nicene Fathers 4:55, Tertullian, 212 AD, according to which the apostles had permission to marry. And How would you explain the passage from 1 cor 9:5 “Have we not power to carry about a woman as well as the rest of the apostles, and the brethren of the Lord, and Cephas?”
And as well, your claim would be news to Father John Echert who said on the EWTN board that all twelve apostles were married, with the exception of St. John. And you please give a reference to support your statement and show that Father Echert is wrong? ewtn.com/vexperts/showresult.asp?RecNum=489266&Forums=0&Experts=0&Days=2006&Author=&Keyword=apostles+were+married&pgnu=1&groupnum=0&record_bookmark=1&ORDER_BY_TXT=ORDER+BY+ReplyDate+DESC&start_at=
 
We know St. Peter had a wife according to Mark 1:30. and according to Matthew 8:14. St. Peter even had his wife’s mother in his family. So he was married. If St. Peter was married, they why should not Roman Catholic priests have that option also.
Peter and several of the original apostles were married. As to not mentioning their wives by name in the scriptures and talking about their sex life, the answer is simple. It has nothing to do with revelation of the Messiah.

The idea would not have cross the evangelists’ minds. This was a perfectly normal thing for them. There are letters for the early Fathers and I can’t remember which one mentions Peter’s daughter as a “deacones”. The word was not used in the same sense as we use it in the Sacrament of Holy Orders, but as one who waits on tables.

As to why Roman Catholic priests do not marry, there are several facts that we have consider here.
  1. Most Roman Catholic priests are also religious. Religious make vows of chastity, poverty and obedience. The vow of chastity binds them to Christ through their religious community. If you took away celibacy, it would only apply to about 1/3 of the clergy. That would be the 1/3 of priests who are not religioius, but are secular men, such as Fr. Alberto.
  2. Celibacy was introduced by Christ himself and practiced very early in the Eastern and Western Church. John and Paul espoused it. Paul wrote about it in his letters and promoted it. It is not a new way of life in the Church. The Western and Eastern Churches have had celibate men and women from the beginning. Originally it was practiced by secular men and secular women and later it became part of religious life and was canonized by St. Benedict, St. Basil, St. Scholastica and St. Albert, all the great founders of relgious life.
  3. Celibacy for secular deacons and priests is a discipline that can be changed. As we have seen with secular men who wish to be deacons, but you must be married first. A priest cannot marry. A married man can become a priest. We do have some married priests in the Western Church and many in the Eastern Churches. The Promise of celibacy for secular men wishing to be priests only applies to the West. By the way, it’s a promise, not a vow. Only religious men and women make vows of celibacy. There is a canonical difference.
As to Fr. Alberto’s problem, there is a serious situation here. The situation is simple to understand, but not simple to fix. The Holy Father has frozen dispensations for priests and religious brothers. In his communications with bishops and major superiors of religious men, the Holy Father has made it clear that that secular priests and religious men cannot leave nor can they be expelled from their diocese or their religious communities, except in the case of schism, in which case the individual takes himself out.

The only thing that a bishop can do with a secular priest is to suspend him and offer him options. But he can’t even impose those options, because the priest in question is a secular man. His promise of obedience to the bishop is not the same as the vow of obedience of a religious. A bishop has less control over the personal life of a secular priest. A religious superior has total control over the personal life of his religious. The vow of obedience of a religious includes personal choices. In other words, religious can only make the choices that their superiors and their constitutions allow. To disobey is a grave sin.

The secular deacon or priest is bound to obey the bishop in pastoral matters, not internal matters. The bishop has no authority there. If he did, then the man would not be a secular, he would be religious. That’s one reason why many men become diocesan priests. They are not called to the discipline of religious obedience.

In this case, the bishop can give Fr. Alberto options and can order that he choose one, because it impacts on the pastoral life of the diocese. Not to obey constitutes a grave sin at various levels. However, there is not much that the bishop can do if Fr Alberto or any diocesan priest chooses not to obey. He has already suspended him. He cannot excommunicate hijm for an offense that does not incurr excommunication.

If the priest in question attempts marriage, then there is an automatic excommunication. If he allows himself to be consecrated bishop, there is an automatic excommunication. If he speaks against dogma, he MAY be excommunicated as a heretic. This is a tricky one. Not everything that is heresy incurs an excommunication. The bishop is the only judge of that, but the pope can declare it invalid if they do not agree with each other.

So far, Fr. Alberto has not said anything against dogma. He has spoken out on celibacy. Celibacy is discipline. He certainly has committed several sins, but we already know what those are.

The points are, celibacy is a standing discipline in the Church that dates back to Christ himself and Fr. Alberto is a secular priest whom the bishop cannot canonically dispose of too easilly. The bishop is bound to work within the system that Pope Benedict has set up. The sytem says that the bishop must use persuasion not threats.

We just have to remain silent and pray. . .ilent, because there is not much that we can do to help this pciture. The best answer that I have given to others is that I don’t have an answer, because I’m not perfect.

Fraternally,

JR 🙂
 
Peter and several of the original apostles were married. As to not mentioning their wives by name in the scriptures and talking about their sex life, the answer is simple. It has nothing to do with revelation of the Messiah.

The idea would not have cross the evangelists’ minds. This was a perfectly normal thing for them. There are letters for the early Fathers and I can’t remember which one mentions Peter’s daughter as a “deacones”. The word was not used in the same sense as we use it in the Sacrament of Holy Orders, but as one who waits on tables.

As to why Roman Catholic priests do not marry, there are several facts that we have consider here.
  1. Most Roman Catholic priests are also religious. Religious make vows of chastity, poverty and obedience. The vow of chastity binds them to Christ through their religious community. If you took away celibacy, it would only apply to about 1/3 of the clergy. That would be the 1/3 of priests who are not religioius, but are secular men, such as Fr. Alberto.
  2. Celibacy was introduced by Christ himself and practiced very early in the Eastern and Western Church. John and Paul espoused it. Paul wrote about it in his letters and promoted it. It is not a new way of life in the Church. The Western and Eastern Churches have had celibate men and women from the beginning. Originally it was practiced by secular men and secular women and later it became part of religious life and was canonized by St. Benedict, St. Basil, St. Scholastica and St. Albert, all the great founders of relgious life.
  3. Celibacy for secular deacons and priests is a discipline that can be changed. As we have seen with secular men who wish to be deacons, but you must be married first. A priest cannot marry. A married man can become a priest. We do have some married priests in the Western Church and many in the Eastern Churches. The Promise of celibacy for secular men wishing to be priests only applies to the West. By the way, it’s a promise, not a vow. Only religious men and women make vows of celibacy. There is a canonical difference.
As to Fr. Alberto’s problem, there is a serious situation here. The situation is simple to understand, but not simple to fix. The Holy Father has frozen dispensations for priests and religious brothers. In his communications with bishops and major superiors of religious men, the Holy Father has made it clear that that secular priests and religious men cannot leave nor can they be expelled from their diocese or their religious communities, except in the case of schism, in which case the individual takes himself out.

The only thing that a bishop can do with a secular priest is to suspend him and offer him options. But he can’t even impose those options, because the priest in question is a secular man. His promise of obedience to the bishop is not the same as the vow of obedience of a religious. A bishop has less control over the personal life of a secular priest. A religious superior has total control over the personal life of his religious. The vow of obedience of a religious includes personal choices. In other words, religious can only make the choices that their superiors and their constitutions allow. To disobey is a grave sin.

The secular deacon or priest is bound to obey the bishop in pastoral matters, not internal matters. The bishop has no authority there. If he did, then the man would not be a secular, he would be religious. That’s one reason why many men become diocesan priests. They are not called to the discipline of religious obedience.

In this case, the bishop can give Fr. Alberto options and can order that he choose one, because it impacts on the pastoral life of the diocese. Not to obey constitutes a grave sin at various levels. However, there is not much that the bishop can do if Fr Alberto or any diocesan priest chooses not to obey. He has already suspended him. He cannot excommunicate hijm for an offense that does not incurr excommunication.

If the priest in question attempts marriage, then there is an automatic excommunication. If he allows himself to be consecrated bishop, there is an automatic excommunication. If he speaks against dogma, he MAY be excommunicated as a heretic. This is a tricky one. Not everything that is heresy incurs an excommunication. The bishop is the only judge of that, but the pope can declare it invalid if they do not agree with each other.

So far, Fr. Alberto has not said anything against dogma. He has spoken out on celibacy. Celibacy is discipline. He certainly has committed several sins, but we already know what those are.

The points are, celibacy is a standing discipline in the Church that dates back to Christ himself and Fr. Alberto is a secular priest whom the bishop cannot canonically dispose of too easilly. The bishop is bound to work within the system that Pope Benedict has set up. The sytem says that the bishop must use persuasion not threats.

We just have to remain silent and pray. . .ilent, because there is not much that we can do to help this pciture. The best answer that I have given to others is that I don’t have an answer, because I’m not perfect.

Fraternally,

JR 🙂
The local Episcopal Bishop has said that he would take this priest and that already there were four Catholic priests who have come over to the Epsicopal Church in that area. Generally, if a Catholic priest joins the Episcopal or Anglican Church, will his Sacraments be valid as he functions within that Church?
 
The local Episcopal Bishop has said that he would take this priest and that already there were four Catholic priests who have come over to the Epsicopal Church in that area. Generally, if a Catholic priest joins the Episcopal or Anglican Church, will his Sacraments be valid as he functions within that Church?
The response to that question is, yes. The Church cannot undo ordination any more than it can undo baptism, absolution or marriage. The only thing that it can do is to declare the ordination invalid. A decree of annulment of an ordination is very difficult to do. One has to prove that the priest had no intention of being ordained, the bishop had no intention of ordaining or that there was a canonical impediment to the ordination. For this reason, the Church rarely goes for a declaration of nullity of an ordination.

If a Catholic or Orthodox priest joins another ecclesial community, the sacraments are valid, but illicit, with the exception of absolution. That would be invalid, because you must have faculties granted by a bishop or religious superior in good standing with the Church. Episcopal bishops are not validly consecrated.

In this case, marriage would be questionable. The question is whether an Episcopal bishop can grant faculties to a Catholic priest to perform marriage. There is no question as to whether the marriage of an Episcopal couple by an Episcopal priest is valid; it is. But this case would be irregular, because the priest was ordained as a Catholic. Can an Episcopal bishop grant faculties to witness a marriage? Canonists would have to sort it out. I’m not sure of the canonical answer to this.

Certainly the Eucharist and baptism are valid. Absolution would be valid and licit in cases of life and death.

Even the priests who lost their clerical state because they committed pedophilia can celebrate a valid Eucharist and baptism. If they were bishops can than validly ordain. But it is illicit.

Again, the Sacrament of Holy Orders produces an ontological change in the deacon, priest or bishop that cannot be undone.

Fraternally,

JR 🙂
 
The response to that question is, yes. The Church cannot undo ordination any more than it can undo baptism, absolution or marriage. The only thing that it can do is to declare the ordination invalid. A decree of annulment of an ordination is very difficult to do. One has to prove that the priest had no intention of being ordained, the bishop had no intention of ordaining or that there was a canonical impediment to the ordination. For this reason, the Church rarely goes for a declaration of nullity of an ordination.

If a Catholic or Orthodox priest joins another ecclesial community, the sacraments are valid, but illicit, with the exception of absolution. That would be invalid, because you must have faculties granted by a bishop or religious superior in good standing with the Church. Episcopal bishops are not validly consecrated.

In this case, marriage would be questionable. The question is whether an Episcopal bishop can grant faculties to a Catholic priest to perform marriage. There is no question as to whether the marriage of an Episcopal couple by an Episcopal priest is valid; it is. But this case would be irregular, because the priest was ordained as a Catholic. Can an Episcopal bishop grant faculties to witness a marriage? Canonists would have to sort it out. I’m not sure of the canonical answer to this.

Certainly the Eucharist and baptism are valid. Absolution would be valid and licit in cases of life and death.

Even the priests who lost their clerical state because they committed pedophilia can celebrate a valid Eucharist and baptism. If they were bishops can than validly ordain. But it is illicit.

Again, the Sacrament of Holy Orders produces an ontological change in the deacon, priest or bishop that cannot be undone.

Fraternally,

JR 🙂
There is this question about the absolution being valid. When Traditional Bishop Rifan came over with his entire congregation, I didn’t see anywhere where the faithful had to reconfess all of their sins or get married again?
Further, suppose that an irregular Traditional bishop or an Eastern Orthodox bishop were to grant the faculties to the priest. Would his confession be valid then? There have been cases of Catholic priests going over to the Eastern Orthodox Church. Now are you saying that their absolutions and marriages prerformed within the Eastern Orthodox Church are invalid? And why did not the people of Campos have to reconfess all of their sins and get remarried when Bishop Rifan’s situation was regularised?
 
But was not Our Divine Lord the most perfect man who ever lived? If He was, then did He not choose a married man to be the first priest and the first Pope of the Catholic Church? And were not all of the Apostles, except for John, married? Why do you want to go against what Our Divine Lord did when He was on this earth?
I answer you with these verses from the bible

**Matthew 16:18-19 **

18 And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it. 19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven."

Whatever the Catholic Church binds here on earth will be bound in heaven. So if the Catholic Church has decided that its Latin Rite priests are not to marry then God’s will be done. :amen:

Everyone in this life has the free will to choose their path in life as Father Alberto has and he has chosen his path with an obvious agenda. I have absolutely no problem with the celibacy issue as a single person and have made my own private vows to be celibate til’ I am married. If God expects this of me as a lay person, he expects no less from his Priests who are “in persona Christi”.
 
There is this question about the absolution being valid. When Traditional Bishop Rifan came over with his entire congregation, I didn’t see anywhere where the faithful had to reconfess all of their sins or get married again?
Further, suppose that an irregular Traditional bishop or an Eastern Orthodox bishop were to grant the faculties to the priest. Would his confession be valid then? There have been cases of Catholic priests going over to the Eastern Orthodox Church. Now are you saying that their absolutions and marriages prerformed within the Eastern Orthodox Church are invalid? And why did not the people of Campos have to reconfess all of their sins and get remarried when Bishop Rifan’s situation was regularised?
There are two separate cases here.
  1. When Campos comes over, the absolutions are granted by the Church. As to marriage, marriage outside the Church is valid for those who are outside the Church.
  2. Your second question, if a validly ordained bishop, either Catholic or Orthodox, grants faculties, the sacraments are both valid and licit, including absolution and marriage. Orthodox bishops have apostolic succession. Protestant bishops do not have apostolic succession. The only traditional bishops that I know who who cannot grant faculties are those who are in an irregular relationship with the Church, such as the SSPX and the SSPV, the reason being that those bishops do not have episcopal authority, even though they have episcopal power.
This does not apply to Orthodox bishops. They have episcopal power and authority. They have full apostolic succession. They are not excommunicated or suspended. Their episcopal status is recognized by the Catholic Church. That’s the reason that you do not ordain an Orthodox priest who become Catholic. He is already validly ordained, nor do the Orthodox ordain a Catholic who becomes Orthodox.

The Episcopal community requires that Catholic priests who convert pass theological examinations, serve as lay ministers for a year, then be ordained deacons and reordained as priests. This whole process is governed by a board of priests and lay people. Neither priests nor lay people have the power to ordain or determine if one should be ordained. In the Catholic Church and the Orthodox Churches, that power and that discretion is solely upon the bishop.

Fraternally,

JR 🙂
 
INDEED,
it’s sad that
SOME OF
the catholic priesthood has fallen to that level.
BUT, WHAT ARE WE DOING TO PREVENT IT?
ARE WE PRAYING ENOUGH AND OFFERING SACRIFICES FOR OUR PRIESTS, DEACONS AND ALL RELIGIOUS PEOPLE?
ALSO,
if the Catholic Church has just being plain old stubborn by not allowing priests to marry is for a reason. We’re not stuck with parishes with too few priests, and the ones we do have are homosexuals, pederests, and weirdos… open the priesthood to marriage and get some red blooded normal men into the priesthood
IS NOT BECAUSE
the Church has failed.
SHE’S HOLY BECAUSE HER HEAD IS HOLY. HIS MEMBERS ARE POOR SINNERS BUT LOVED TO DEATH BY HER FOUNDER AND WILL TRIUMPH, AS HE PROMISED.
Finally, as far as I know, only the Blessed Mother was born and died without sin. The rest of mankind, all came into this world with sin and hopefully, with God’s grace will die receiving the last Sacrament from the hands of a priest. Our priests are sinners and with more temptations than anyone else, precisely because satan wants to deprive us from the Holy Eucharist period. Let’s have mercy on our priests if we expect mercy from God. It is between the priests and God and never between us and the priests.
St. Michael the Archangel defend our priests!
St. Joseph protect our priests!
 
Oh, really?
How do you explain the passage from Ante-Nicene Fathers 4:55, Tertullian, 212 AD, according to which the apostles had permission to marry. And How would you explain the passage from 1 cor 9:5 “Have we not power to carry about a woman as well as the rest of the apostles, and the brethren of the Lord, and Cephas?”
And as well, your claim would be news to Father John Echert who said on the EWTN board that all twelve apostles were married, with the exception of St. John. And you please give a reference to support your statement and show that Father Echert is wrong? ewtn.com/vexperts/showresult.asp?RecNum=489266&Forums=0&Experts=0&Days=2006&Author=&Keyword=apostles+were+married&pgnu=1&groupnum=0&record_bookmark=1&ORDER_BY_TXT=ORDER+BY+ReplyDate+DESC&start_at=
Thank you for the information…I am here to learn…and I don’t get angry at people whom I correct
 
While it is a difficult life being celibate, priests take a vow. Others here said the same thing; they are married to the church and just as any adulterer, this celebrity priest knew what he was getting in to when he took his vows.

While I don’t really understand why priests can’t marry, it is a job requirement. Thus, it isn’t for everyone.

I am wondering if he wasn’t hoping to get caught and find a way out. It is odd that if he is well known, he would be making out on a public beach.
 
And unfortunately now he adds insult to injury, by going on TV appearances and newspaper interviews, like a narcissist who knows no shame and enjoys publicity at any price, unable to see the wrong he did. That Peterson guy is all smiles and cocky while being arrested for the murder of his wife, and Fr. Cutie does the same thing after breaking his vows. 😦

And the women who are ecstatic about his good looks and make comments such as “at least he found a good woman, he deserved it, it’s nothing wrong with it” don’t realize that this mentality will destroy more marriages, and theirs may be next…

“I’m in love”, says now Fr. Cutie, and that’s exactly what their cheating husbands will tell them, when abandoning them for someone else…

I fully agree, Norminha, the Church is holy because the Head is holy, and we should pray for our Pope, Bishops, Priests, Deacons, Men and Women Religious. That’s our role as laypeople.
 
It is amazing that some people admire him for this, and it is also very sad

We are living in a time when good is seen as evil, and evil is seen as good…If you can’t be faithful in small things you won’t be in big ones either

Thank God many of us still stand up for honor, and integrity ,and obedience to our church

FR sounds like he is having a midlife crisis or a case of delayed development…He acts like he is about 16
 
My daughter told me he entered the priesthood very early…is that true? Some priests/nuns used to say they were infanitilized by going into the seminary/convent too early, they never really matured and were always told what to do, etc. I see that more with women though,men seem to have a lot more freedom.
I can’t judge him, but I can’t help but worry about his lack of discretion. Was he alone on the beach? Hiding doesn’t make the sin less, but it doesn’t rub everyone’s nose in it.
“Being in love” is a powerful thing, the initial rush of lust makes people do crazy things, but the hard work, the commitment and perserverence comes later…that takes maturity and knowing yourself.
 
As a celibate religious I have to say that it’s time that we get off the “pity wagon” for those who voluntarilly make a promise of vow of celibacy. Religioius life is not religious life without celibacy. It is a life committed to living the three evangelical counsels as it was lived by the Mother of God and the early Christians. No one forces anyone to become a religious. For 2,000 years many religious men and women have lived very holy lives and they were celibate.

Diocesan or secular priests, as is Fr. Alberto have been promising (no vowing) celibacy for appoximately 1,000 years in the Latin Church. Again, we have had many holy men and saints from among their ranks. These men were not religious. They did not have the support of a religious community as religious men and women do. They have had to go at it alone, since secular priests do not live in community. No one chose the priesthood for them. They made a free choice. Nothing has changed. No one chooses the priesthood for any secular man today either.

On the retreat before ordination, all diocesan priests handwrite a legal document where they give free expression to the fact that they believe that they must be celibate and clerics (deacon or priest) for the salvation of their soul. They do so in front of a group of witnessesl. Before they sign what they have written with their own hand, they are asked several times if this is truly their faith. They promise that it is. Again, the eve before ordination, they are asked again the same question. There is no coercion here to become a deacon or priest. It is a free choice.

Even if the Church allowed married men to become priests in the Latin Rite, it only applies to diocesan priests, not to religiouis. Since you cannot eliminate celibacy from religious life. If the rule were to be changed to be the same as it is in the Eastern Rites, only married men could become priests. Single priests could never be married.

In her 2,000 year history, single priests have never been allowed to marry. What we had in the past was married men who became priests. This is why they were called secular priests and not religious. Religious have always been celibate. That practice has never changed in the Eastern Rites. In the Latin Rite the policy changed that does not allow married men to become priests. Therer is a difference between a married man becoming a priest and a single priest being allowed to marry, something that was never done in our history, either Roman Catholic, Eastern Catholic or Orthodox Christian.

Latin Rite Catholic priests are not the only persons bound to celibacy. The practice of celibacy for the sake of personal holiness and growth has been part of many spiritual traditions for centuries, including: Muslims, Jews, Buddhists, Hindus and even some pagan cults.

The problem is not celibacy. The problem is people confusing the issue. The issue here is a young man who made a commitment and has been unable to live up to it. This happens. Not everyon can live up to their commitments. When you are unable to do so, there are safety mechanisms in place to allow you to bow out graciously, with dignity and without causing harm to others. Fr. Alberto has failed to use those mechanisms. This is the problem. The fact that he can’t live up to his promise of celibacy is not an unusual even in life. Many people make many kinds of commitments and are unable to live up to them. But they choose the lawful way out. They do not become a law unto themselves and create their own process of separation from their commitment. Those who choose to create their own systems of separation are not only failing to live up to their commitment, but are failing the Church who trusted their honesty when they made their promise. They are faling the Church, who in her mercy has created systems to exit graciously and without scandal and harm. It is easy to throw stones at the Church because she does not allow priests to marry, something that she has never done, but most people do not know.

It is easy to throw stones at the Church and not realize that you are slamming the millions of men and women in the Church and in other faith communities who have lived faithful lives of celibacy. Such statements made by the supporters of eliminating celibacy, because it’s an (name removed by moderator)ossible or inhuman requirement undermine and minimize the achievement of those who have been faithful to the end and those who are on the journey, be they Christian or other.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
And unfortunately now he adds insult to injury, by going on TV appearances and newspaper interviews, like a narcissist who knows no shame and enjoys publicity at any price, unable to see the wrong he did. That Peterson guy is all smiles and cocky while being arrested for the murder of his wife, and Fr. Cutie does the same thing after breaking his vows. 😦

And the women who are ecstatic about his good looks and make comments such as “at least he found a good woman, he deserved it, it’s nothing wrong with it” don’t realize that this mentality will destroy more marriages, and theirs may be next…

“I’m in love”, says now Fr. Cutie, and that’s exactly what their cheating husbands will tell them, when abandoning them for someone else…

I fully agree, Norminha, the Church is holy because the Head is holy, and we should pray for our Pope, Bishops, Priests, Deacons, Men and Women Religious. That’s our role as laypeople.
I 100% agree with this! What an arrogant act to go public like that! Hey buddy…you’re a PRIEST!!! What did he expect???

I was defending him until he showed such a lack of respect for his vows and the church.

I have been praying for him, but he is just too arrogant to serve God at this time. You can’t serve pride and God at the time time. It just doesn’t work that way.
 
As a celibate religious I have to say that it’s time that we get off the “pity wagon” for those who voluntarilly make a promise of vow of celibacy. Religioius life is not religious life without celibacy. It is a life committed to living the three evangelical counsels as it was lived by the Mother of God and the early Christians. No one forces anyone to become a religious. For 2,000 years many religious men and women have lived very holy lives and they were celibate.

Diocesan or secular priests, as is Fr. Alberto have been promising (no vowing) celibacy for appoximately 1,000 years in the Latin Church. Again, we have had many holy men and saints from among their ranks. These men were not religious. They did not have the support of a religious community as religious men and women do. They have had to go at it alone, since secular priests do not live in community. No one chose the priesthood for them. They made a free choice. Nothing has changed. No one chooses the priesthood for any secular man today either.

On the retreat before ordination, all diocesan priests handwrite a legal document where they give free expression to the fact that they believe that they must be celibate and clerics (deacon or priest) for the salvation of their soul. They do so in front of a group of witnessesl. Before they sign what they have written with their own hand, they are asked several times if this is truly their faith. They promise that it is. Again, the eve before ordination, they are asked again the same question. There is no coercion here to become a deacon or priest. It is a free choice.

Even if the Church allowed married men to become priests in the Latin Rite, it only applies to diocesan priests, not to religiouis. Since you cannot eliminate celibacy from religious life. If the rule were to be changed to be the same as it is in the Eastern Rites, only married men could become priests. Single priests could never be married.

In her 2,000 year history, single priests have never been allowed to marry. What we had in the past was married men who became priests. This is why they were called secular priests and not religious. Religious have always been celibate. That practice has never changed in the Eastern Rites. In the Latin Rite the policy changed that does not allow married men to become priests. Therer is a difference between a married man becoming a priest and a single priest being allowed to marry, something that was never done in our history, either Roman Catholic, Eastern Catholic or Orthodox Christian.

Latin Rite Catholic priests are not the only persons bound to celibacy. The practice of celibacy for the sake of personal holiness and growth has been part of many spiritual traditions for centuries, including: Muslims, Jews, Buddhists, Hindus and even some pagan cults.

The problem is not celibacy. The problem is people confusing the issue. The issue here is a young man who made a commitment and has been unable to live up to it. This happens. Not everyon can live up to their commitments. When you are unable to do so, there are safety mechanisms in place to allow you to bow out graciously, with dignity and without causing harm to others. Fr. Alberto has failed to use those mechanisms. This is the problem. The fact that he can’t live up to his promise of celibacy is not an unusual even in life. Many people make many kinds of commitments and are unable to live up to them. But they choose the lawful way out. They do not become a law unto themselves and create their own process of separation from their commitment. Those who choose to create their own systems of separation are not only failing to live up to their commitment, but are failing the Church who trusted their honesty when they made their promise. They are faling the Church, who in her mercy has created systems to exit graciously and without scandal and harm. It is easy to throw stones at the Church because she does not allow priests to marry, something that she has never done, but most people do not know.

It is easy to throw stones at the Church and not realize that you are slamming the millions of men and women in the Church and in other faith communities who have lived faithful lives of celibacy. Such statements made by the supporters of eliminating celibacy, because it’s an (name removed by moderator)ossible or inhuman requirement undermine and minimize the achievement of those who have been faithful to the end and those who are on the journey, be they Christian or other.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
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Consider this for a moment…What would you do if you married and due to un foreseen circumstances, your spouse was unable to have sex…Do you dump them? Would you admire someone that did?..Do your promises mean nothing?..Are we just here to serve ourselves, and to heck with everything else?:confused:
 
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