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AlanFromWichita
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You’re not kidding. For his genre, though, I thought he did best as he could, “God – No-Bless – America!!”
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CaptFun
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youtube.com/watch?v=AQ7vqLk8jsE < “Convert Alert” RCIA critique
More Voris. I see what he’s talking about here.
Sometimes ministries have leaders who are - willing but rather neophytes in their faith.
Then there are the people with a special agenda … who use RCIA time to try to knit together their politics or social takes with the gospel somehow. The former taking precedence.
I’ve also seen sound teaching challenged and interrupted boldly - while that which contradicts the Church gets respectful hearing in politeness to the “sharer”.
He makes a reference to those RCIA programs that seemingly emphasize that the Catholic Church is just another nice thing … and as for salvation … we all go to heaven anyhow.
The last part emphasized by one of those “Coexist” bumper stickers you see.
Actually I prefer the Coexist stickers to a hostile one … but RCIA classes really should teach the faith reverently and solidly.
For all you great RCIA teachers (and students) out there … thank you … and hang in there.
More Voris. I see what he’s talking about here.
Sometimes ministries have leaders who are - willing but rather neophytes in their faith.
Then there are the people with a special agenda … who use RCIA time to try to knit together their politics or social takes with the gospel somehow. The former taking precedence.
I’ve also seen sound teaching challenged and interrupted boldly - while that which contradicts the Church gets respectful hearing in politeness to the “sharer”.
He makes a reference to those RCIA programs that seemingly emphasize that the Catholic Church is just another nice thing … and as for salvation … we all go to heaven anyhow.
The last part emphasized by one of those “Coexist” bumper stickers you see.
Actually I prefer the Coexist stickers to a hostile one … but RCIA classes really should teach the faith reverently and solidly.
For all you great RCIA teachers (and students) out there … thank you … and hang in there.
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Maxirad
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No offense, CaptFun, but you shouldn’t post on CAF links to videos that attack religious or clergy. If you don’t believe me, check this out.
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CaptFun
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Thanks for the heads up Maxirad. No offense taken. I’ll view it again.
I didn’t see any attacks on religious or clergy (specifically) but rather a call for improvement in the RCIA system. And possibly a “heads up” to those attending RCIA NOT to be cynical or lose the faith or fail to continue their journey to join the Church due to incomplete, or obscure or vague teaching that goes on due to the occasional “willing but unqualified” volunteers, a lack of standards from parish to parish, and a subculture of spiritual relativity that might make a candidate wonder why they are bothering to join the church.
As for the link … I didn’t make the call on this thread being allowed and I didn’t initiate it.
I think it is far less controversial than much of what is allowed elsewhere … and I enthusiastically weighed in … not to give offense … though sometimes Christian people giving Christ’s message are “hated” Jesus warns the apostles.
Like you I have posted here. I will say that I agree wholeheartedly with the policies stated
by Robert Bay and hope not to exceed any acceptable boundary.
Perhaps you felt you couldn’t or shouldn’t post the specific part of the link (or my post) that you thought violated part of the rules. But again I thank you for posting them - for all of us.
Catholic Answers itself being an Apologetics organization and loyal to the Church has speakers and writers who state things boldly and directly at times. And part of Christ’s messages are the warnings. You can’t read much of Christ without noticing that.
Not too long ago a member on this site posted a personal account of an unnamed RCIA
teacher (in an unnamed location) that had an RCIA Catechumen at the point of quitting because (for reasons known only to the teacher) the Catechumen was being (he thought anyway) discouraged from reading the Catechism. I took it as a person seeking counsel - not attacking the Church (even though he had issues with an RCIA program - or one teacher in it).
Not to reopen old threads but for reference (and a part explanation for why I didn’t think I’d done anything wrong here):
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=717638
I posted twice on this … positively I thought … but I was the LAST post before the thread was closed - so maybe I coming closer to the edge of violations than I thought.
One thing I cherish about my faith is that the Church is never afraid of the truth. Though sometimes members of the Church are (usuallly for personal reasons). I’m glad of wise rules and the “break pedal” of having moderators to keep things inbounds. And I enjoy
the gas pedal of free inquiry too - as part of discovering more truth and insights.
Personally I enjoy Voris … even when I see things differently than he … sometimes I’ve learned things. So far I don’t see what he’s said as attacking the Church but defending her. I haven’t of course see all of his stuff.
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someperson555
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its the liberals! its always been da liberals guyz! forget “powers and principalities”, our true enemies are those dastardly liberals…
lol but in all seriousness this is why mr voris is just a demagauge. he is the perfect example of when people try to mold God into their own image.
lol but in all seriousness this is why mr voris is just a demagauge. he is the perfect example of when people try to mold God into their own image.
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AlanFromWichita
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Exactly.its the liberals! its always been da liberals guyz! forget “powers and principalities”, our true enemies are those dastardly liberals…
lol but in all seriousness this is why mr voris is just a demagauge. he is the perfect example of when people try to mold God into their own image.
“You can safely assume you have created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates the same people you do.” --Annie Lamott
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CaptFun
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http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTcqF_4NF8ie4CNKNYlwPAp6Oa22UxSRVY-sndHyp3SGdYzitYC
After my lengthy (as is my wont sometimes
) post … I noticed it was YOU that originated this thread. :doh2:Your counsel above (that now I’ve reposted twice I suppose) … is still good but I’m confused now … so like Emily Litella here … I will just say “Never mind,” smile and return the thread to serious discussion.
Thanks for that original post … IMO it’s a topic worthy of discussion in this section. :twocents:
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pnewton
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What you will not find in this apostolateis an attack on the clergy or the heirarchy of the Church. You will not find men deserving of respect in the Catholic Church being treated with the same respect as we treat our politicians.
What you will find here is a Catholic apostolate that is registered with a diocese in accord with canon law and an obedient group of Catholic laymen, even if obedience is difficult or inconvenient, which is why I have a high regard for this ministry.
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CaptFun
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CaptFun replies in RED
(This sentence above is an “unfair” question – which I quickly retract now – but I did drop it in because* I think*** that Michael Voris is also sometimes “attacked” – and sometimes “unfairly,” with similar implications, because people don’t agree with him). I understood that you are praising CA for BEING loyal to the leaders of their Diocese as we all should be!
**Per your contrast of Catholic Answers with Church Militant TV - ** I remember there being a fuss where Voris‘ site was named “Real Catholic” something or other … and he was asked to change it *(for reasons I forget - but thought it might have to do with some of the issues the Church is dealing with per the government or something). *
Anyhow, Voris changed the name of his site (Obediently? Under duress? After clashing with “clergy or the hierarchy” in some way I’m not aware of - but maybe you are?). So I thought that “controversy” was all cleared up.
I didn’t think the problem with his Diocese was doctrinal at all … but perhaps was legally jeopardizing them per lawsuits or exposing the Diocese to losing tax exempt status. You may know some things I don’t.
I have a high regard for this ministry too. And you, come to think of it, Pnewton – though I “know you” just through your posts.
Love the “cat appearing” signature graphic :dancing: even better than your newer one by the way.
Do you (or the other laymen in the apostolate) find obedience difficult or inconvenient?What you will not find in this apostolate is an attack on the clergy or the heirarchy of the Church. I presume you mean CA leadership more specifically here. And you lead off with this because … you see Voris as having done that? Or maybe me?
You will not find men deserving of respect in the Catholic Church being treated with the same respect as we treat our politicians. Well I share that value completely. Attack is a strong verb. (Mis)treatment too. “Question” is milder - but even THERE not good to do - in a rebellious spirit (versus a discerning one).
I’m reading “(dis)respect” where you reference “our politicians”. And you probably have someone in mind or an incident per Voris? We may agree that we should (generally) respect our politicians (leaders or candidates who may lead us) too. And I agree with the idea that those annointed by God to sacred offices should not be ***equated ***with those whose “authority … given … from above” is in the secular governmental realm per respect. I will note that … “clergy” ranking as high as the Pharisees or Peter were corrected in the New Testament (By St. John the Baptist and St. Paul) so it has and can be done at times. Not to run wild with that at all!
What you will find here is a Catholic apostolate that is registered with a diocese in accord with canon law and an obedient group of Catholic laymen, even if obedience is difficult or inconvenient, which is why I have a high regard for this ministry.
(This sentence above is an “unfair” question – which I quickly retract now – but I did drop it in because* I think*** that Michael Voris is also sometimes “attacked” – and sometimes “unfairly,” with similar implications, because people don’t agree with him). I understood that you are praising CA for BEING loyal to the leaders of their Diocese as we all should be!
**Per your contrast of Catholic Answers with Church Militant TV - ** I remember there being a fuss where Voris‘ site was named “Real Catholic” something or other … and he was asked to change it *(for reasons I forget - but thought it might have to do with some of the issues the Church is dealing with per the government or something). *
Anyhow, Voris changed the name of his site (Obediently? Under duress? After clashing with “clergy or the hierarchy” in some way I’m not aware of - but maybe you are?). So I thought that “controversy” was all cleared up.
I didn’t think the problem with his Diocese was doctrinal at all … but perhaps was legally jeopardizing them per lawsuits or exposing the Diocese to losing tax exempt status. You may know some things I don’t.
I have a high regard for this ministry too. And you, come to think of it, Pnewton – though I “know you” just through your posts.
Love the “cat appearing” signature graphic :dancing: even better than your newer one by the way.
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AlanFromWichita
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I do like to hear people state their cases clearly.
Voris does that. I have no problem with that.
I also have no problem with people who disagree with me. I may not like their arguments, but I give the people as much credit as I can – and this guy is plainly a fool. A dangerous fool even, because people listen to him because he sounds so authoritative. Big whoop.
But the fact he states his case with air of authority and poise doesn’t mean he isn’t just as filled with hate as Jeremiah Wright. He says because we elected liberals twice, now God is going to turn away from the country as well He should.
And what is this premise about “God shed His grace on Thee” as if that were proof positive that God used to bless that country, compared with now when Obama is proof positive that He will no longer. The guy is hateful and divisive, and is not speaking for any God I know of.
Am I pro-life? Yes. Did I vote against Obama? Yes, twice. But Voris’s insistence that it’s too late for a blessing for our country because of it is ridiculous and its Highly Insulting to God. I don’t get why that’s so hard for anyone to see.
In fact, Obama states his case with authority and poise, too. That’s why people listen to him. Duhh. I guess I should have seen that coming. This is pure politics – trying to be louder and more hysterical than your opponent.
I can see Jesus now, when He comes again and breaks the Bad News to us that nobody in the U.S. is going to be saved now because we voted for a liberal.
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Voris does that. I have no problem with that.
I also have no problem with people who disagree with me. I may not like their arguments, but I give the people as much credit as I can – and this guy is plainly a fool. A dangerous fool even, because people listen to him because he sounds so authoritative. Big whoop.
But the fact he states his case with air of authority and poise doesn’t mean he isn’t just as filled with hate as Jeremiah Wright. He says because we elected liberals twice, now God is going to turn away from the country as well He should.
And what is this premise about “God shed His grace on Thee” as if that were proof positive that God used to bless that country, compared with now when Obama is proof positive that He will no longer. The guy is hateful and divisive, and is not speaking for any God I know of.
Am I pro-life? Yes. Did I vote against Obama? Yes, twice. But Voris’s insistence that it’s too late for a blessing for our country because of it is ridiculous and its Highly Insulting to God. I don’t get why that’s so hard for anyone to see.
In fact, Obama states his case with authority and poise, too. That’s why people listen to him. Duhh. I guess I should have seen that coming. This is pure politics – trying to be louder and more hysterical than your opponent.
I can see Jesus now, when He comes again and breaks the Bad News to us that nobody in the U.S. is going to be saved now because we voted for a liberal.
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someperson555
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I do like to hear people state their cases clearly.
Voris does that. I have no problem with that.
I also have no problem with people who disagree with me. I may not like their arguments, but I give the people as much credit as I can – and this guy is plainly a fool. A dangerous fool even, because people listen to him because he sounds so authoritative. Big whoop.
But the fact he states his case with air of authority and poise doesn’t mean he isn’t just as filled with hate as Jeremiah Wright. He says because we elected liberals twice, now God is going to turn away from the country as well He should.
And what is this premise about “God shed His grace on Thee” as if that were proof positive that God used to bless that country, compared with now when Obama is proof positive that He will no longer. The guy is hateful and divisive, and is not speaking for any God I know of.
Am I pro-life? Yes. Did I vote against Obama? Yes, twice. But Voris’s insistence that it’s too late for a blessing for our country because of it is ridiculous and its Highly Insulting to God. I don’t get why that’s so hard for anyone to see.
In fact, Obama states his case with authority and poise, too. That’s why people listen to him. Duhh. I guess I should have seen that coming. This is pure politics – trying to be louder and more hysterical than your opponent.
I can see Jesus now, when He comes again and breaks the Bad News to us that nobody in the U.S. is going to be saved now because we voted for a liberal.
Alan
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pnewton
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I only lead off with the first statement because I see absolutely no comparison between Catholic Answers and Mr. Voris’ organization on the topic of being bold and direct. You might as well compare them favorable with Planned Parenthood if boldness and directness are virtues. It is the object of the boldness that matters. Catholic Answers is direct about matters of faith and morals. Principles, not personalities. This is the key difference in this conversation. Yes, I went overboard and included other differences. The main reason I responded, and the one I lead off with, Catholic Answers is bold in defending the Faith, as in ideas. This apostolate is not involved int speaking against the Catholic Church or its leaders.
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CaptFun
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John 7:43 So a division occurred in the crowd because of him.
I’ve just been a member since May 2010, and I had no idea that back in August 2010 there was a temporary ban (or announcement that one was coming back then) on Michael Voris threads.
The posting moderator said it was not so much the content but the way the conversation was turning into “bickerfests” (bad behavior exceeding charity or politeness too often).
Apparently that ban on “starting new threads” did not (at the time) ban referring to info on the Voris site if the info was germane to the topic of the thread. And apparently … a thread about something from his site is allowed now.
The history of it is interesting and seeing a ruling in action from back then helps me understand a bit more how these forums are run - than just reading the rule postings.
Per the “God - no bless - America” opinion by Voris. I disagreed with him. But not totally.
In the Bible Jesus speaks of “Judging the Nations,” and also “Capernaum” (a city), and Jerusalem … so there is such a thing as collective guilt or community responsibility it would seem. How that applies? Maybe that’s what he’s talking about. But I still don’t know HOW that works.
We’re to be salt and light etc. … and I don’t mind a “heads up” or warning from someone (when Jesus told us to “stay awake” too). I didn’t take the video as despairing that anything could be done now - but took it more like “look what our nation has done now … how did it come to this?” And I took THAT to be more of his take on the US “accepting abortion” (due to the vote) than a political thing.
Appreciate the repartee, the diverse opinions and personalities, and the challenge posed by the proposal posted by the OP.
Way after midnight. must stop :yawn
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I’ve just been a member since May 2010, and I had no idea that back in August 2010 there was a temporary ban (or announcement that one was coming back then) on Michael Voris threads.
The posting moderator said it was not so much the content but the way the conversation was turning into “bickerfests” (bad behavior exceeding charity or politeness too often).
Apparently that ban on “starting new threads” did not (at the time) ban referring to info on the Voris site if the info was germane to the topic of the thread. And apparently … a thread about something from his site is allowed now.
The history of it is interesting and seeing a ruling in action from back then helps me understand a bit more how these forums are run - than just reading the rule postings.
Per the “God - no bless - America” opinion by Voris. I disagreed with him. But not totally.
In the Bible Jesus speaks of “Judging the Nations,” and also “Capernaum” (a city), and Jerusalem … so there is such a thing as collective guilt or community responsibility it would seem. How that applies?
Maybe that’s what he’s talking about. But I still don’t know HOW that works.We’re to be salt and light etc. … and I don’t mind a “heads up” or warning from someone (when Jesus told us to “stay awake” too). I didn’t take the video as despairing that anything could be done now - but took it more like “look what our nation has done now … how did it come to this?” And I took THAT to be more of his take on the US “accepting abortion” (due to the vote) than a political thing.
Appreciate the repartee, the diverse opinions and personalities, and the challenge posed by the proposal posted by the OP.
Way after midnight. must stop :yawn
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CaptFun
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For those of us still in discerning mode some contrasting thoughts on the subject:
John 7:43 So a division occurred in the crowd because of him.
John 7:24 Stop judging by appearances, but judge justly."
Do you address the particular video InLight? Or the truth of it. Link “aside”,
I agree with your assessment (that it’s a problem … not that NO ONE wants to hear the truth … but that at times we all excuse ourselves from attending a the truth if :
*the messenger isn’t (select one): diplomatic enough, confident enough, too confident (cocky), direct enough, fashionably integrated with the times or culture, qualified enough (per degrees or “office”), gentle enough, charming enough, like me enough, etc.
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OTOH - A lack of charity can can make one a “noisy gong” St. Paul cautions. So too for truth given in a bad spirit - so as to bear bad fruit in the end.
So discernment is needed to recognize the difference between ***righteous indignation ***(which Jesus sometimes flashed … and so it is not necessarily uncharitable) and an unholy spirit of telling the truth to further bad intentions not in line with charity but as (say) a way to chastise an opponent (as its chief objective).
And sometimes we get value out of a “gold mine”. Where there is darkness and maybe unpleasant things to push past as one “seeks and finds” - but the treasure(s) of (truth? wisdom? piety? reverence? love of true teaching and authentic worship?) are well worth looking past the inconveniences encountered in securing them.
It’s also nice to know that every dispute among the faithful doesn’t end in schism and
separation. We’ve had Church Councils and Pope’s settle things. The “losing parties” at the council may have contributed to the wisdom of the final decisions too - rather than being “evil” they may have been sincere but “overruled” for a greater good! And their insight integrated into the final teaching or ruling.
Another lesson (as we discern) is: sometimes the things that are “not of God” die out on their own.
That was Gamaliel’s counsel to the Sanhedrin (regarding the apostles):
Acts 5:3 So now I tell you, have nothing to do with these men, and let them go. For **if this endeavor or this activity is of human origin, it will destroy itself.
39 But if it comes from God, you will not be able to** destroy them; you may even find yourselves fighting against God." They were persuaded by him.
Am I misapplying this (?)
… for now it seems prudent (to me).1 John 4:1 Beloved, do not trust every spirit but test the spirits to see whether they belong to God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.
This is the word of God too. It does not “contradict” the other verse from Acts. They are complementary. Don’t be too quick to dismiss … or accept. Test, but fairly. Meanwhile -one needn’t attend to everything always.
which is a relief!
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AlanFromWichita
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Amen. Dark Night of the Soul comes to mind.
That is a good way to think about it. I hope this is more often the case than not. I’d like to be more positive about thinking it is.
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CaptFun
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Thanks for the Dark Night of the Soul insight, Alan. It reminds me that God is working where we can’t always see Him.
Also I remember working in Committee with people who were SO different from me that we
had a dickens of a time understanding one another. But then produced magnificence that
stunned us. “I’ll be glad when this is over …” became “DANG … we did THAT?!” Woo!
**The old (recociliation) joke may apply sometimes:
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The fire was out now … but the Fire Chief noticed a man frowning at him.
FC: Phew. Got it before it reached the HOUSE! :coolinoff:
Man: Do the BELLS help put out the fire? :dts:
FC: Of course not. We ring them to clear the streets.
Man: It’s 3 am! There’s no traffic! You woke the whole town UP!
:bigyikes:FC: (Whispers hoarsely) At 3am my crew would rather go back to sleep too. Bells wake THEM up too. :yawn::sad_yes:
Man: Well … Alright.
(Getting excited) Could … I ring it now? :dancing:
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october_baby
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I have noticed a trend on threads that have to do with micheal voris, there are certain
posters who disparage,use innuendo, and post insulting of hateful things about mr. voris.
I try to be charatable, but it seems that these select posters go out of their way to insult
mr. voris.:takethat: You don’t have to agree with mr. voris, agree with his style, or EVEN
LIKE HIM! But can’t we follow Abraham Lincolns:“with malice toward none and CHARITY
toward all.” :aok:
posters who disparage,use innuendo, and post insulting of hateful things about mr. voris.
I try to be charatable, but it seems that these select posters go out of their way to insult
mr. voris.:takethat: You don’t have to agree with mr. voris, agree with his style, or EVEN
LIKE HIM! But can’t we follow Abraham Lincolns:“with malice toward none and CHARITY
toward all.” :aok:
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AlanFromWichita
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I hope you’re not talking about my observation that he and the Rev. Jeremiah Wright basically have the same message: “America should not and will not be blessed by God because they are killing people” – in one case the people in question are unborn. This is particularly interesting since Wright is basically the spiritual leader of the man he’s insulting. He gives Obama a lot of power to say he can separate God and this country.
As far as ad hominem, I didn’t need to state that he was a jerk; his words speak for themselves as far as that goes.
To me the most blatant ad hominem insults are by Voris against the president and the collective voters of the country which allowed him to become president.
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CaptFun
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:dancing: You wrote this after a telemarketer called you … didn’t you? LOL.
I don’t know why that little aside surprised me so much.
Thanks for your take. And woman’s perspective.
“Knew our neighbors”. It DOES seem to me that what you said is true. I thought it was more of a California vs. Midwest thing than a '50s vs. now thing. And as I think about it now … this is kind of a cultural thing integrated everywhere.
Sometimes there’s a “mind your own business privacy ethic” where people all have walls around their yards, and have private entrances to their homes (vs. community ones where they might meet a neighbor). I had categorized that as “California” versus my prior suburban Illinois suburb (which was also a NEW suburb at the time) where every person who moved to the neighborhood was greeted by the “Welcome Wagon” and neighbors introduced themselves.
People who liked the latter kind of town considered it warm and friendly. Those who didn’t so much … might see it as invasive and nosy. Reversed … a town that let you move in quietly without fanfare (a peaceful town to some) might be seen as “cold and uncaring” by those who LOVED a “Welcome Wagon” and “here come my neighbors!”
The “smutty stuff on TV” may have been your strongest point pollycarp. The safe walk to school … well I was safer from criminals maybe (grown ups even THEN said “don’t talk to strangers” - which seemed to clash with the “we’re all brothers and sisters” values I was getting in Catholic School). But there were bullies my own age on that walk … and an anti-tattling ethic that left a kid to work out that problem on his own.
No doubt about it, when I was a kid the clergy (priests, nuns) had a kind of automatic respect (which they taught too). Kids stood UP at my school when a priest or nun entered the room. That was the courtesy taught … and possibly taught nowhere these days.
The chivalrous niceties between the sexes … boys being taught to be gentlemen who respected women … opening doors for them etc.; went through a purging in the emergent feminist years when such behavior on the part of a man was seen as “patronizing” (" … does he mean to imply that I can’t open a stupid door without his help?!").
Earlier in the thread I took issue with Voris’ assertion that God would no longer continue to bless America (given its sins).
Thinking about it though, when God chastised Israel or Judah in the OT, he usually sent a prophet to tell them why the Lord was about to discipline them with a famine or a “conquest by a foreign army” or something - so that they’d repent. Voris didn’t reference that in his program as I recall - but if God HAS done such things in the past, maybe now too (a chastisement of a nation - which would include the individuals in it).
**It was better in those days - **really DOES apply in enough categories for me to agree with you … more than disagree … pollycarp. But I can remember the days before magazines like “Playboy” an “Ms.” were published with their takes on what a man or woman was (or should be).
The “no smut on TV” … extended to the movies almost. I was a kid before movies were rated. And the Catholic “Legion of Decency” which DID rate movies off to the side … had clout in that Catholic moms wouldn’t let their kids see the more edgy stuff that was just for adults … and many adults wouldn’t patronize movies listed “morally objectionable” or with the dreaded “condemned.” Today some of those condemned movies would be PG possibly. < Make that of it what you will … things have changed a lot.
Meanwhile, to “get” Mother Angelica’s EWTN cable station in your home some (like me and folks with my cable server) have to also get several movie channels in the package that stream nudity, bad language, gratuitous violence, bad values (i.e. justified: murder, illicit sex, theft, racism etc.) right into your home. Parents must fiddle with complicated blocking programs on their remotes or receivers to keep this stuff from their kids.
Back in the '50s there WAS pornography … but getting it was a project for those seeking it … and sometimes illegal to boot. Kids couldn’t sneak a peek at the 7/11 … the magazines weren’t there.
Later they were there … but wrapped in brown paper. And back then a bold public statement like “what’s wrong with porn?” might have made people move away. “My wife and I use it all the time!” might have been grounds for divorce … with the wife getting everything because the guy who said this must not be right in his head!
Now that they’re gone … I kind of miss June Cleaver and *(incoming “sexism” alert!) *“Father Knows Best!”.
*Context for “new readers”: Voris opined that God might withhold his blessings from the US now that a majority of the voters had twice elected … (ah, let him tell you himself - link on post 1).
In the course of debating Voris’ many propositions, some posters dissected whether America was really any better in the past (or did it just seem that way?) with examples cited both ways *
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MidnightSun12
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As with most of Michael Voris’ work, I agree 100% here.
If the US continues on it’s present path it is going to become a world-wide threat to christianity and will likely begin exporting evils such as contraception, abortion and homosexual “marriage” on countries that haven’t yet adopted them or are trying to eliminate them. Obviously, a mass conversion like what we saw in Nineveh would be ideal but if that doesn’t happen I think it’s better that God removes His graces from the United States and allow crippling economics caused by the country’s own murderous social policies to bring it to it’s knees then to allow further evil to be propogated.
For the record, I think Canada is in the exact same boat, if not worse.
If the US continues on it’s present path it is going to become a world-wide threat to christianity and will likely begin exporting evils such as contraception, abortion and homosexual “marriage” on countries that haven’t yet adopted them or are trying to eliminate them. Obviously, a mass conversion like what we saw in Nineveh would be ideal but if that doesn’t happen I think it’s better that God removes His graces from the United States and allow crippling economics caused by the country’s own murderous social policies to bring it to it’s knees then to allow further evil to be propogated.
For the record, I think Canada is in the exact same boat, if not worse.
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