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AlanFromWichita
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You’re not kidding. For his genre, though, I thought he did best as he could, “God – No-Bless – America!!”I’m glad Michael Voris didn’t invoke the famous Reverend Wright quote at the end. :yup:
Alan
You’re not kidding. For his genre, though, I thought he did best as he could, “God – No-Bless – America!!”I’m glad Michael Voris didn’t invoke the famous Reverend Wright quote at the end. :yup:
No offense, CaptFun, but you shouldn’t post on CAF links to videos that attack religious or clergy. If you don’t believe me, check this out.youtube.com/watch?v=AQ7vqLk8jsE < “Convert Alert” RCIA critique
More Voris. I see what he’s talking about here.
Sometimes ministries have leaders who are - willing but rather neophytes in their faith.
Then there are the people with a special agenda … who use RCIA time to try to knit together their politics or social takes with the gospel somehow. The former taking precedence.
I’ve also seen sound teaching challenged and interrupted boldly - while that which contradicts the Church gets respectful hearing in politeness to the “sharer”.
He makes a reference to those RCIA programs that seemingly emphasize that the Catholic Church is just another nice thing … and as for salvation … we all go to heaven anyhow.
The last part emphasized by one of those “Coexist” bumper stickers you see.
Actually I prefer the Coexist stickers to a hostile one … but RCIA classes really should teach the faith reverently and solidly.
For all you great RCIA teachers (and students) out there … thank you … and hang in there.
Thanks for the heads up Maxirad. No offense taken. I’ll view it again.No offense, CaptFun, but you shouldn’t post on CAF links to videos that attack religious or clergy. If you don’t believe me, check this out.
Exactly.its the liberals! its always been da liberals guyz! forget “powers and principalities”, our true enemies are those dastardly liberals…
lol but in all seriousness this is why mr voris is just a demagauge. he is the perfect example of when people try to mold God into their own image.
http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTcqF_4NF8ie4CNKNYlwPAp6Oa22UxSRVY-sndHyp3SGdYzitYCNo offense, CaptFun, but you shouldn’t post on CAF links to videos that attack religious or clergy. If you don’t believe me, check this out.
What you will not find in this apostolateis an attack on the clergy or the heirarchy of the Church. You will not find men deserving of respect in the Catholic Church being treated with the same respect as we treat our politicians.Catholic Answers itself being an Apologetics organization and loyal to the Church has speakers and writers who state things boldly and directly at times. And part of Christ’s messages are the warnings. You can’t read much of Christ without noticing that.
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Do you (or the other laymen in the apostolate) find obedience difficult or inconvenient?What you will not find in this apostolate is an attack on the clergy or the heirarchy of the Church. I presume you mean CA leadership more specifically here. And you lead off with this because … you see Voris as having done that? Or maybe me?
You will not find men deserving of respect in the Catholic Church being treated with the same respect as we treat our politicians. Well I share that value completely. Attack is a strong verb. (Mis)treatment too. “Question” is milder - but even THERE not good to do - in a rebellious spirit (versus a discerning one).
I’m reading “(dis)respect” where you reference “our politicians”. And you probably have someone in mind or an incident per Voris? We may agree that we should (generally) respect our politicians (leaders or candidates who may lead us) too. And I agree with the idea that those annointed by God to sacred offices should not be ***equated ***with those whose “authority … given … from above” is in the secular governmental realm per respect. I will note that … “clergy” ranking as high as the Pharisees or Peter were corrected in the New Testament (By St. John the Baptist and St. Paul) so it has and can be done at times. Not to run wild with that at all!
What you will find here is a Catholic apostolate that is registered with a diocese in accord with canon law and an obedient group of Catholic laymen, even if obedience is difficult or inconvenient, which is why I have a high regard for this ministry.
I do like to hear people state their cases clearly.
Voris does that. I have no problem with that.
I also have no problem with people who disagree with me. I may not like their arguments, but I give the people as much credit as I can – and this guy is plainly a fool. A dangerous fool even, because people listen to him because he sounds so authoritative. Big whoop.
But the fact he states his case with air of authority and poise doesn’t mean he isn’t just as filled with hate as Jeremiah Wright. He says because we elected liberals twice, now God is going to turn away from the country as well He should.
And what is this premise about “God shed His grace on Thee” as if that were proof positive that God used to bless that country, compared with now when Obama is proof positive that He will no longer. The guy is hateful and divisive, and is not speaking for any God I know of.
Am I pro-life? Yes. Did I vote against Obama? Yes, twice. But Voris’s insistence that it’s too late for a blessing for our country because of it is ridiculous and its Highly Insulting to God. I don’t get why that’s so hard for anyone to see.
In fact, Obama states his case with authority and poise, too. That’s why people listen to him. Duhh. I guess I should have seen that coming. This is pure politics – trying to be louder and more hysterical than your opponent.
I can see Jesus now, when He comes again and breaks the Bad News to us that nobody in the U.S. is going to be saved now because we voted for a liberal.
Alan
I only lead off with the first statement because I see absolutely no comparison between Catholic Answers and Mr. Voris’ organization on the topic of being bold and direct. You might as well compare them favorable with Planned Parenthood if boldness and directness are virtues. It is the object of the boldness that matters. Catholic Answers is direct about matters of faith and morals. Principles, not personalities. This is the key difference in this conversation. Yes, I went overboard and included other differences. The main reason I responded, and the one I lead off with, Catholic Answers is bold in defending the Faith, as in ideas. This apostolate is not involved int speaking against the Catholic Church or its leaders.CaptFun replies in RED
For those of us still in discerning mode some contrasting thoughts on the subject:A serious problem today is people don’t want to hear any truth. They only want to hear what they want to hear. Any words point to the fact will easily be rejected as “blunt” regardless the truth those words may contain.
John 7:24 Stop judging by appearances, but judge justly."This man speaks harshly; who can listen to his word?
We shall no longer follow him. – from Darryl Ducote liturgical song “Look Beyond,” 1969 based on verses from John 6
Amen. Dark Night of the Soul comes to mind.And sometimes we get value out of a “gold mine”. Where there is darkness and maybe unpleasant things to push past as one “seeks and finds” - but the treasure(s) of (truth? wisdom? piety? reverence? love of true teaching and authentic worship?) are well worth looking past the inconveniences encountered in securing them.
That is a good way to think about it. I hope this is more often the case than not. I’d like to be more positive about thinking it is.It’s also nice to know that every dispute among the faithful doesn’t end in schism and
separation. We’ve had Church Councils and Pope’s settle things. The “losing parties” at the council may have contributed to the wisdom of the final decisions too - rather than being “evil” they may have been sincere but “overruled” for a greater good! And their insight integrated into the final teaching or ruling.
Thanks for the Dark Night of the Soul insight, Alan. It reminds me that God is working where we can’t always see Him.Amen. Dark Night of the Soul comes to mind.
That is a good way to think about it. I hope this is more often the case than not. I’d like to be more positive about thinking it is.
Alan
I hope you’re not talking about my observation that he and the Rev. Jeremiah Wright basically have the same message: “America should not and will not be blessed by God because they are killing people” – in one case the people in question are unborn. This is particularly interesting since Wright is basically the spiritual leader of the man he’s insulting. He gives Obama a lot of power to say he can separate God and this country.I have noticed a trend on threads that have to do with micheal voris, there are certain
posters who disparage,use innuendo, and post insulting of hateful things about mr. voris.
I try to be charatable, but it seems that these select posters go out of their way to insult
mr. voris.:takethat: You don’t have to agree with mr. voris, agree with his style, or EVEN
LIKE HIM! But can’t we follow Abraham Lincolns:“with malice toward none and CHARITY
toward all.” :aok:
:dancing: You wrote this after a telemarketer called you … didn’t you? LOL.It was better as I recall. Not Andy Griffin exactly, but life was slower and better. Many women didn’t work so kids had moms at home. Doors were opened for women, men pumped our gas and checked our oil and carried things for us. We weren’t wealthy, but we knew our neighbors and we trusted each other. Kids walked to school safely. We respected our teachers-nuns with habits. There was no telemarketing. No smutty stuff on TV. I could go on.