CHALLENGING mary's assumption

[justasking4]

Would you please stop this calumny. You have been shown the definition of Sacred Tradition, and is not a list or catalogue. So stop already.

Then don’t use this as a defense as something that has substance.

 

[Soutane]

Then don’t use this as a defense as something that has substance.

But it doesn’t dear boy.

 

[justasking4]

But it doesn’t dear boy.

Doesn’t what?

 

[Soutane]

Doesn’t what?

Sorry:blush: That post was a bit of a non sequitor.I meant to say that Catholic Tradition has substance ,you just cannot see it or refuse to acknowledge it.

 

[justasking4]

Sorry:blush: That post was a bit of a non sequitor.I meant to say that Catholic Tradition has substance ,you just cannot see it or refuse to acknowledge it.

Then why can’t catholics demonstrate it clearly and offically what exactly it is? I’m familar defintions have seen few examples like Sunday worship and a couple of other things. What i have not seen is a offical list by the church that shows what they are. I suspect it does not exist even though the term “Tradition” is still used.

For example are there were there any “Traditions” that were formed in the past couple of hundred years?
What determines what a Tradition is and who decides in the church what they are? Popes, councils etc?

 

[Soutane]

Then why can’t catholics demonstrate it clearly and offically what exactly it is? I’m familar defintions have seen few examples like Sunday worship and a couple of other things. What i have not seen is a offical list by the church that shows what they are. I suspect it does not exist even though the term “Tradition” is still used.

For example are there were there any “Traditions” that were formed in the past couple of hundred years?
What determines what a Tradition is and who decides in the church what they are? Popes, councils etc?

Certain Traditions have been CONFIRMED BY Dogmatic announcements such as the Assumption which was believed by the early Church but Dogmatically pronounced in 1950.The whole concept of Holy Tradition which really refers to the Teaching Authority of the Catholic Church is predicated on the belief that the Holy Spirit ENSURES that error cannot be taught.You either believe in that guarantee or you don’t.If you don"t then we’re just arguing past each other.

 

[justasking4]

Certain Traditions have been CONFIRMED BY Dogmatic announcements such as the Assumption which was believed by the early Church but Dogmatically pronounced in 1950.The whole concept of Holy Tradition which really refers to the Teaching Authority of the Catholic Church is predicated on the belief that the Holy Spirit ENSURES that error cannot be taught.You either believe in that guarantee or you don’t.If you don"t then we’re just arguing past each other.

How many “Traditions” do you think there are?

 

[Ag_not]

Were these men infallible and incapable of erring in their beliefs? The Marian dogmas were not the focus of the great Prostestant Reformantion as far as i can tell and these reformers were still influenced by their catholicism as far as i can tell. This would help to explain why they wrote about her as they did.

justasking4, why do you bother? Youve had a million explanations, a million rebuttals, and it seems nothing, absolutely nothing that is offered to you is ever going to be taken on board, which is faie enough, but WHY do you keep asking the same questions and saying the same things over and over and over unendingly.

Nothing catholics can say to you will be a reasonable explanation for YOU, so why do you keep comming back to the Marion Doctrines?

Do you feel drawn to them somehow but are frightened?

Serious question by the way - because your intransigence requires further study.

 

[Soutane]

How many “Traditions” do you think there are?

Did you even read my post?You’re like a cd that skips.If you don’t believe in the inerrancy of the Teaching Authority of the Catholic Church then we’re discussing apples and oranges.We BELIEVE it YOU DON’T.Happy?

 

[Realcatholicgk]

Then why can’t catholics demonstrate it clearly and offically what exactly it is?

Not sure what you mean. Can you clarify?

Seriousely, it is b**ecause the church does what it wants ,not what you desire! Ask the Pope and leave us alone about it we are busy trying to save souls for Christ, not gain them for the devil like others here! **

I’m familar defintions have seen few examples like Sunday worship and a couple of other things. What i have not seen is a offical list by the church that shows what they are. I suspect it does not exist even though the term “Tradition” is still used.

**We don’t write down the oral traditions because they would only get mixed in with the written traditions and that would be a real mess! **
**I remember the hours we had to spend to remember the 2,000 years of oral tradition. You don’t wany to have to go through that! Just ask us a question, we will answer it for you. Trust me is easier on you that way! **

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For example are there were there any “Traditions” that were formed in the past couple of hundred years?

**I can’t think of any teaching in the Scriptures where this is said. Do you have a reference? Not sure what you meant. Can you clarify? **

What determines what a Tradition is and who decides in the church what they are? Popes, councils etc?

**As an outsider, does the phase "None of your business, have any meaning to you at all? ******
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[Realcatholicgk]

How many “Traditions” do you think there are?

I like the easy ones! There are Four actually. **
** 1) Sacred Oral, 2) Sacred Written, 3) Oral and 4) Written! Why did you need that information? Do you have a reference? Not sure what you meant. Can you clarify? How are we as individuals to apply this to ourselves? Should we? Where does it say that in scripture?

 

[justasking4]

Realcatholicgk:
Originally Posted by justasking4
Then why can’t catholics demonstrate it clearly and offically what exactly it is?

Not sure what you mean. Can you clarify?

Seriousely, it is because the church does what it wants ,not what you desire! Ask the Pope and leave us alone about it we are busy trying to save souls for Christ, not gain them for the devil like others here!

I’m familar defintions have seen few examples like Sunday worship and a couple of other things. What i have not seen is a offical list by the church that shows what they are. I suspect it does not exist even though the term “Tradition” is still used.

We don’t write down the oral traditions because they would only get mixed in with the written traditions and that would be a real mess!
I remember the hours we had to spend to remember the 2,000 years of oral tradition. You don’t wany to have to go through that! Just ask us a question, we will answer it for you. Trust me is easier on you that way!

For example are there were there any “Traditions” that were formed in the past couple of hundred years?

I can’t think of any teaching in the Scriptures where this is said. Do you have a reference? Not sure what you meant. Can you clarify?

What determines what a Tradition is and who decides in the church what they are? Popes, councils etc?

As an outsider, does the phase "None of your business, have any meaning to you at all?

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So the bottom line is you don’t know?

 

[justasking4]

Realcatholicgk;4389733]**
Originally Posted by justasking4
How many “Traditions” do you think there are?

Realcatholicgk
I like the easy ones! There are Four actually. **
** 1) Sacred Oral, **
Any examples?

2) Sacred Written,

Would this be Scripture?

3)Oral and

Any examples?

1. Written!

Scripture?

Why did you need that information?

To understand Catholic teachings and what catholics know.

Do you have a reference? Not sure what you meant. Can you clarify? How are we as individuals to apply this to ourselves? Should we? Where does it say that in scripture?

 

[AshleyBelle]

Would you ask us how many flowers are in a flower field? Would you ask us to count the stars? The traditions of the church intertwine with every aspect of the faith…they are the Word of God brought to life! They are as numerous as the souls who make up the body of Christ. You cannot number them, you cannot “list” them…because they continue to grow and develope as we continue to grow with our Lord.

Why do you continue to ask? It is like someone asking a family what they have done for every moment of their life together, and what they WILL do for every moment after. Is it a family tradition to pray with the children before bed? Is it a family tradition to share dinner together? You’re asking the family of God to explain every single act they do as a family… You’re putting their life under a microscope, instead of participating and joining them in LIVING!

 

[justasking4]

AshleyBelle;4389761]Would you ask us how many flowers are in a flower field? Would you ask us to count the stars? The traditions of the church intertwine with every aspect of the faith…they are the Word of God brought to life! They are as numerous as the souls who make up the body of Christ. You cannot number them, you cannot “list” them…because they continue to grow and develope as we continue to grow with our Lord.

Why do you continue to ask? It is like someone asking a family what they have done for every moment of their life together, and what they WILL do for every moment after. Is it a family tradition to pray with the children before bed? Is it a family tradition to share dinner together? You’re asking the family of God to explain every single act they do as a family… You’re putting their life under a microscope, instead of participating and joining them in LIVING!

I ask because the Scriptures command it. I Thes 5:21 is a case in point. Secondly what a person believes impacts there living and can also impact their eternal destiny.
Questions also help to determine if something is true or not by the answers given. Questions also help us to grow in knowledge.
If you read the gospels you will see Jesus being asked questions and asking questions continually. He is the ultimate model for us.

Have you engaged a Mormon or a Jehovah witness on your doorstep? Asking them the right questions can tell you a lot about what they believe and if you know the truth you can help them see the errors in their beliefs.

 

[AshleyBelle]

I ask because the Scriptures command it. I Thes 5:21 is a case in point. Secondly what a person believes impacts there living and can also impact their eternal destiny.
Questions also help to determine if something is true or not by the answers given. Questions also help us to grow in knowledge.
If you read the gospels you will see Jesus being asked questions and asking questions continually. He is the ultimate model for us.

Have you engaged a Mormon or a Jehovah witness on your doorstep? Asking them the right questions can tell you a lot about what they believe and if you know the truth you can help them see the errors in their beliefs.

Now we understand your true intentions. Thank you for clarifying.

 

[Pixie_Dust]

I ask because the Scriptures command it. I Thes 5:21 is a case in point. Secondly what a person believes impacts there living and can also impact their eternal destiny.
Questions also help to determine if something is true or not by the answers given. Questions also help us to grow in knowledge.
If you read the gospels you will see Jesus being asked questions and asking questions continually. He is the ultimate model for us.

Have you engaged a Mormon or a Jehovah witness on your doorstep? Asking them the right questions can tell you a lot about what they believe and if you know the truth you can help them see the errors in their beliefs.

Yes indeed - it was because Catholics kept asking me questions that pointed out the holes in my non-Catholic theology, and because of them showing me the truth, that I saw the errors in my beliefs as a non-Catholic and came Home.

 

[justasking4]

Yes indeed - it was because Catholics kept asking me questions that pointed out the holes in my non-Catholic theology, and because of them showing me the truth, that I saw the errors in my beliefs as a non-Catholic and came Home.

What 2-3 questions pointed holes in your theology?

 

[Soutane]

This guy is totally immune to rational arguement.He speaks but does not listen.Justasking,you have NO credibility.This thread is a complete waste of time.

 

[justasking4]

Ag_not;4389661]
Originally Posted by justasking4 View Post
Were these men infallible and incapable of erring in their beliefs? The Marian dogmas were not the focus of the great Prostestant Reformantion as far as i can tell and these reformers were still influenced by their catholicism as far as i can tell. This would help to explain why they wrote about her as they did.

Ag_not
justasking4, why do you bother? Youve had a million explanations, a million rebuttals, and it seems nothing, absolutely nothing that is offered to you is ever going to be taken on board, which is faie enough, but WHY do you keep asking the same questions and saying the same things over and over and over unendingly.

Nothing catholics can say to you will be a reasonable explanation for YOU, so why do you keep comming back to the Marion Doctrines?

This thread is about the Marian doctrines and i was responding to comments about the reformers beliefs about Mary. What you write against me here can easily be applied to almost everyone i have dialogued on this issue. I see a refusal to deal with the Scriptural data on Mary in fair and reasonable way…

Do you feel drawn to them somehow but are frightened?

I really don’t know----

Serious question by the way - because your intransigence requires further study.

What does “intransigence” mean?