Change of heart on socialized medicine

[royal_archer]

That was a figurtive comparison. If I did what would get them the best return on their investemnt I’d be gaurenteeing my soul to Hell.

So you think that generating the most customer satisfaction at the lowest price will send you to hell?

No wonder you support government run health care.

 

[aspawloski4th]

So you think that generating the most customer satisfaction at the lowest price will send you to hell?

No wonder you support government run health care.

They generate income by charging what they can get away with and denying what they can get away with. If customer satisfaction was a factor, Michigan Bluecrass would be gone, but here they are the largest, but still the most hated.

 

[Arwen037]

You completely ignored everything I said. I wonder if it’s because I made good points.

 

[Ella]

So you think that generating the most customer satisfaction at the lowest price will send you to hell?

No wonder you support government run health care.

I wish that was the way private insurance companies make money. Unfortunately, every time a person files a claim that becomes a ‘loss’ to the insurance company, as opposed to profit… this is why people with chronic conditions get denied coverage due to a practice called ‘rescission’.

articles.latimes.com/2009/jun/17/business/fi-rescind17

“Blue Cross of California encouraged employees through performance evaluations to cancel the health insurance policies of individuals with expensive illnesses…”

““These practices reveal that when an insurance company receives a claim for an expensive, life-saving treatment, some of them will look for a way – any way – to avoid having to pay for it,” said Stupak, chairman of the commerce committee’s Subcommittee on Oversight and Investigations.”

This is one thing that illustrates that we badly need health care reform in the United States.

 

[royal_archer]

They generate income by charging what they can get away with and denying what they can get away with. If customer satisfaction was a factor, Michigan Bluecrass would be gone, but here they are the largest, but still the most hated.

Did you mean bluecross? Here in the real world, if you don’t have good customer satisfaction, you loose customers and go out of buisness unless you are in a company that is being proped up by the government.

I suspect what you have there is like microsoft where everyone likes to complain about the shortfalls of their software but when it comes time to buy most of us feel they give the best functionality for the money.

What Obama is trying to im plement is having a hand full of government endorsed health care companies that are essentially run like utilities where you have no choice on what is covered and will be penalized with more taxes if you do not choose one of them. That will take customer satisfaction out of the equation and will set up the exact scenario you are imagining is happening now.

 

[royal_archer]

You completely ignored everything I said. I wonder if it’s because I made good points.

That seems to be the liberal strategy, when ever we make a point or reveal a fact that proves them wrong they change the subject. Unfortunately that wont work in reverse because we logical types are open minded and will openly consider a point that seems to conflict with our point of view and although we realize that the point was unfounded or mis applied, the damage is done because we take the bait. They seem to have a right brain based montra of sound bites and catch phrases with a preconcieved notion that certain people are wrong and if something is said that does not allign with those preconcieved notions they ignore and switch topics. I have also put up several questions where if they think through the questions and answer honnestly they will see the error in their beliefs but those have also been ignored.

 

[aspawloski4th]

That seems to be the liberal strategy, when ever we make a point or reveal a fact that proves them wrong they change the subject. Unfortunately that wont work in reverse because we logical types are open minded and will openly consider a point that seems to conflict with our point of view and although we realize that the point was unfounded or mis applied, the damage is done because we take the bait. They seem to have a right brain based montra of sound bites and catch phrases with a preconcieved notion that certain people are wrong and if something is said that does not allign with those preconcieved notions they ignore and switch topics. I have also put up several questions where if they think through the questions and answer honnestly they will see the error in their beliefs but those have also been ignored.

I have had posts ignored also. It seems when I get the heart of the matter, defective monatary system, many suddenly clam up. By the way right brain based anything would be proper for me. I am totally lefthanded.

 

[aspawloski4th]

Did you mean bluecross? Here in the real world, if you don’t have good customer satisfaction, you loose customers and go out of buisness unless you are in a company that is being proped up by the government.

I suspect what you have there is like microsoft where everyone likes to complain about the shortfalls of their software but when it comes time to buy most of us feel they give the best functionality for the money.

What Obama is trying to im plement is having a hand full of government endorsed health care companies that are essentially run like utilities where you have no choice on what is covered and will be penalized with more taxes if you do not choose one of them. That will take customer satisfaction out of the equation and will set up the exact scenario you are imagining is happening now.

Blue cross is popular because Employers like it. I have yet to see a real emplyee that likes it. Blue cross wouldn’t cover my orthodics after telling me they would. It took it a letter from a lawyer(friend of mine) for them to decide to cover it. breaking promises, very naughty.

 

[royal_archer]

I wish that was the way private insurance companies make money. Unfortunately, every time a person files a claim that becomes a ‘loss’ to the insurance company, as opposed to profit… this is why people with chronic conditions get denied coverage due to a practice called ‘rescission’.

articles.latimes.com/2009/jun/17/business/fi-rescind17

“Blue Cross of California encouraged employees through performance evaluations to cancel the health insurance policies of individuals with expensive illnesses…”

““These practices reveal that when an insurance company receives a claim for an expensive, life-saving treatment, some of them will look for a way – any way – to avoid having to pay for it,” said Stupak, chairman of the commerce committee’s Subcommittee on Oversight and Investigations.”

This is one thing that illustrates that we badly need health care reform in the United States.

I wish I would have stated that fraud or violations of contracts was illegal… Oh wait, I have many times! Either the committee is making unfounded accusations for the purpose of sensationalism and getting more votes, or their is a court record showing the convictions or civil judgements. In either case the courts would have settled the matter fairly.

And by the way, if small companies could band together accross state lines they would be able to buy group coverage with more consumer spending power. This would mean that if they insurance company treated one client unfairly, then they would risk loosing thousands of customers.

If the companies were using loop holes on a grand scale (for the sake of arguement) Then consumer protection agencies would be able to publish those numbers and customers could see who they want to contract with. If I had a choice of two companies and one dropped coverage for 85% of those who got a serious diagnosis in the previous year and another company only dropped coverage for 2% of those in the prior year and both the 85% and 2 % were on “technicalities” I would be more inclined to go with the company that dropped fewer people.

As for dropping coverage, ask those who got out of the service with disabilities, I was denied disability even though I suffered a serious injury in a PLF which is still causing work limmiting pain for me today. A friend received no disability after barely surviving a helecopter crash in a war zone. Another friend was forced out of the military due to a medical condition but still did not receive disabiltiy. These are real people, not statistics. And unfortunately since it is the government we have no recourse. At least with private medical you can fall back on the court system.

 

[royal_archer]

Blue cross is popular because Employers like it. I have yet to see a real emplyee that likes it. Blue cross wouldn’t cover my orthodics after telling me they would. It took it a letter from a lawyer(friend of mine) for them to decide to cover it. breaking promises, very naughty.

I thought you said they did cover it in the end.

 

[aspawloski4th]

I thought you said they did cover it in the end.

Only because I know a lawyer personally that wasn’t about to charge a family friend for a small favor… It should’nt come to that in ther first place. When you make a promise I expect you to keep it. I have always kept mine.

 

[royal_archer]

I have had posts ignored also. It seems when I get the heart of the matter, defective monatary system, many suddenly clam up. .

We have responded to your proposal to sabatoge the entire monetary system. While I agre to moving to a moneaary system based on some tangible assetts, and feel we should have never been taken off the gold system, going to the opposite extreme and running the presses like Obama, Bush and the dmocrat congress have been doing is nothing short of ecconomic sabatoge. While it may give you some personal satisfaction to see others suffer, it will do nothing to help the overall quality of life.

 

[royal_archer]

Only because I know a lawyer personally that wasn’t about to charge a family friend for a small favor… It should’nt come to that in ther first place. When you make a promise I expect you to keep it. I have always kept mine.

They should abide by their obligations the same as you should abide by your obligation to be a contributing member of society.

 

[aspawloski4th]

They should abide by their obligations the same as you should abide by your obligation to be a contributing member of society.

Something you are not the final arbritor in. Putting time in a for profit busniness does not constitute being a contributing memeber of society.

 

[royal_archer]

Something you are not the final arbritor in. Putting time in a for profit busniness does not constitute being a contributing memeber of society.

But paying 20-30 thousand to taxes and charity, while not receiving public assistance is being a contributing member of society. (although I am in the lower tier so I may not be paying my proportional share of the national budget. I’ll have to look into that.)

 

[Detales]

How about thinking of it this way: How many medical expense related bankruptcies occured over the last so many years in Norway? 0. In Germany? 0. In other such countries? 0. How many medical expense related bankruptcies occured here in the USA in the last year? The year before? The year before? etc? Who gets that money? How Christian, never mind Catholic, is that? Has anyone on here thought about how this economy really works, why 1% of our population owns way over 50% of the wealth? Why is any of this a question when a tiny tiny fraction of what we spend on killing people and destroying property and making enemies in foreign lands so we can be comfortable would take care of ALL our medcal expenses in short order?

 

[aspawloski4th]

We have responded to your proposal to sabatoge the entire monetary system. While I agre to moving to a moneaary system based on some tangible assetts, and feel we should have never been taken off the gold system, going to the opposite extreme and running the presses like Obama, Bush and the dmocrat congress have been doing is nothing short of ecconomic sabatoge. While it may give you some personal satisfaction to see others suffer, it will do nothing to help the overall quality of life.

The monatary system is already sbataged. I’m not worried about things keep up the smoke and mirrors currently going on.

 

[royal_archer]

But paying 20-30 thousand to taxes and charity, while not receiving public assistance is being a contributing member of society. (although I am in the lower tier so I may not be paying my proportional share of the national budget. I’ll have to look into that.)

follow up: the white house budget calls for income taxes of 853 billion. that divided by 300 million people equals 3177 per person in individual taxes. As the head of a family of four, I should be paying $12,707, far less than I actually pay. (now add in the fact that a majority of this spending is for unconstitutional wealth redistribution schemes) based on this I am definately a contrbuting member of society.

 

[royal_archer]

How about thinking of it this way: How many medical expense related bankruptcies occured over the last so many years in Norway? 0. In Germany? 0. In other such countries? 0. How many medical expense related bankruptcies occured here in the USA in the last year? The year before? The year before? etc? Who gets that money? How Christian, never mind Catholic, is that? Has anyone on here thought about how this economy really works, why 1% of our population owns way over 50% of the wealth? Why is any of this a question when a tiny tiny fraction of what we spend on killing people and destroying property and making enemies in foreign lands so we can be comfortable would take care of ALL our medcal expenses in short order?

I’ll assume you have not read all of the proceding 900 pluss posts. We all agree on the end of ensuring everyone gets health care coverage for reasonable expenses. The debate is over the means to get that end. some feel it is appropriate to use discriminatory taxes, others seem to approve of financial fraud, others feel it should be our personal obligation as christians, and some feel it should be achieved by heavily armed government agents kicking in peoples doors and taking their honnestly earned money.

The bulk of the discussion has been over whether or not those who want the medical coverage should have to make an effort to get it. Some here have been advocating the point that if someone is indigent that is justification enough for them to have everything handed to them on a silver platter with out any effort and that those who have made an effort do not have a right to the fruits of their labor. The opposing point of view is that people should make an effort and when that falls short we will find a way to fill in the gaps but if you don’t make an honnest effort, you shouldn’t expect others to wait on you hand and foot.

 

[royal_archer]

follow up: the white house budget calls for income taxes of 853 billion. that divided by 300 million people equals 3177 per person in individual taxes. As the head of a family of four, I should be paying $12,707, far less than I actually pay. (now add in the fact that a majority of this spending is for unconstitutional wealth redistribution schemes) based on this I am definately a contrbuting member of society.

oops typo that was 953 billion. other numbers were correct.