Chaperones lead Catholic schoolgirls out from "Nutcracker Suite" performance with same-sex roles, causing criticism, agreement

[Barnesy]

I didnt know the church said that kissing someone on the cheek was a sexual act. How about cuddling? You cant cuddle someone you love?? Maybe you dont let girls watch that.

 

[Poet]

So if theres a play about a murder then you dont let them watch that because you dont support murder. Like i said you better not let them read shakespear.

If it’s a play that glorifies murder and holds it up as a good thing, then no. This is a straw man because generally speaking, plays and books about murder portray it as a bad thing and something that should not be done and the people who do it as bad or at least disturbed and unstable.

Looking at the bigger picture, I’m actually a little surprised at how many people seem to think their personal values should dictate what these chaperones should have done. If you want to take your daughter to a play that portrays homosexuality in a favorable light, I guess you would do so. But why do so many people think they have the right to call the shots for other people’s children?

As to whether the girl’s wanted to see the play or not–do we apply that standard to any other area of child/parent (or in this case those given authority by the parents) relationships? "But the girls wanted to smoke the marijuana. But they wanted to drive the car when they were 12. But they wanted to…

This is sort of the point of chaperones/parents and children. We are in theory wiser and therefore not only have the right but the obligation to make decisions for them that we believe are in their best interests.

 

[Poet]

That talks about homosexual acts. I think that means sex. Maybe you think it means kissing or holding hands. Maybe youd take the girls out of a restaurant if two men kiss each other. Maybe youve never been to the middle east. Perhaps youd have to ask them if it was friendly or sexy. Quick hide it from the girls they mustnt see it!!

Perhaps he’s never been to the Middle East? Am I missing something? Yes, in the middle east a great many in the audience would have dragged the actors out and thrown them off a roof for portraying homosexuality.

And this claim that a kiss on the cheek is innocent is disingenuous. If these two men are clearly portrayed as ‘two dads,’ then we all know that in theory they are not simply two men who live together and sometimes exchange a chaste kiss. It is clearly normalizing homosexuality.

 

[Barnesy]

The play was just a kiss on the cheek?

How about cuddling? You cant cuddle someone you love??

A near occasion of sin, therefore a sinful act.
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You need to read about remote and proximate ocassions. You seem to be confusing love and sex. Do you think people might think it was odd because some one took some girls out of a play because two men cuddled each other.

 

[Poet]

I dont think you know what pornographic means. I dont k ow where you live but i bet that pornographic parades would be illegal. I think pornographic means something you disagree with.

Make sure your safe filter is off and run a search on gay pride parades then click on images. Apparently pornographic parades are legal if it’s in the name of ‘pride.’

 

[Poet]

You need to read about remote and proximate ocassions. You seem to be confusing love and sex. Do you think people might think it was odd because some one took some girls out of a play because two men cuddled each other.

With all due respect, we all know this is not about two men who love each other in a brotherly way. This is clearly portraying a homosexual couple which by definition means we are to understand they’re also having sex. You’re being disingenuous.

 

[Barnesy]

Barnesy:

That talks about homosexual acts. I think that means sex. Maybe you think it means kissing or holding hands. Maybe youd take the girls out of a restaurant if two men kiss each other. Maybe youve never been to the middle east. Perhaps youd have to ask them if it was friendly or sexy. Quick hide it from the girls they mustnt see it!!

Perhaps he’s never been to the Middle East? Am I missing something? Yes, in the middle east a great many in the audience would have dragged the actors out and thrown them off a roof for portraying homosexuality.

And this claim that a kiss on the cheek is innocent is disingenuous. If these two men are clearly portrayed as ‘two dads,’ then we all know that in theory they are not simply two men who live together and sometimes exchange a chaste kiss. It is clearly normalizing homosexuality.

In the middle east men kiss each other and hold hands all the time. Do you take your children out of a restaurant if two men kiss each other?? Do you ask the men if what they just did will lead to sex?? Do you tell children that they mustnt look that two men cuddling is sinful?? Do you avoid every single ocassion when there might be gay people?? Maybe where you live its not normal. I dont have any problem with a catholic school telling their children what the catholic church teaches. But if they wanted a show of support for the gay people from tbe children then theyve done a great job.

 

[Barnesy]

Barnesy:

You need to read about remote and proximate ocassions. You seem to be confusing love and sex. Do you think people might think it was odd because some one took some girls out of a play because two men cuddled each other.

With all due respect, we all know this is not about two men who love each other in a brotherly way. This is clearly portraying a homosexual couple which by definition means we are to understand they’re also having sex. You’re being disingenuous.

If they were having sex on the stage then you should take young girls out. But taking them out just because they were gay is crazy. Do younsee what happened in tbe school afterwards?? Lots of children ended up supporting gay rights. If you tell children that you cant even watch two men playing a gay couple in a play then thats whats going to happen. People who support gay rights wouod be really pleased at what the person did when he took the girls out. People think this is crazy and they support gay rights even more.

 

[Barnesy]

I actually understand it a lot more than you seem to think. Did you look up proximate and remote?

 

[JerryZ]

Not to mention it is plagiarizing the original author’s message!
Peace!

 

[Poet]

If they were having sex on the stage then you should take young girls out. But taking them out just because they were gay is crazy. Do younsee what happened in tbe school afterwards?? Lots of children ended up supporting gay rights. If you tell children that you cant even watch two men playing a gay couple in a play then thats whats going to happen. People who support gay rights wouod be really pleased at what the person did when he took the girls out. People think this is crazy and they support gay rights even more.

First, who are you to tell me when I may or may not remove my children from a situation?

Second, the girls were not taken out ‘just because they were gay’ but specifically because homosexuality was being portrayed as normal and good, in direct contradiction to Catholic teaching. If you find that ‘crazy’, then presumably you will allow your children to remain in a play that portrays as normal and good, things that fly in the face of your beliefs.

No, I didn’t see what happened at the school afterwards and if more kids ended up supporting homosexuality in contradiction to their Catholic faith, that sounds like a failure on the part of the principal and their teachers and parents to explain to them the full implication of all of this.

Wow, are you really going to compare two Middle Eastern men exchanging a brotherly kiss as per their cultural custom with a situation that is very clearly portraying two homosexual men exchanging a kiss which everyone watching knows is not brotherly? Do you really think the people on this forum are that stupid?

If I saw two men ‘cuddling’ in public, actually yes, I would think that was a little bit odd and inappropriate. In fact, most couples do not ‘cuddle’ in public. And your question about whether I would ask two men kissing if they were going to have sex is ridiculous in the extreme.

 

[Barnesy]

Barnesy:

If they were having sex on the stage then you should take young girls out. But taking them out just because they were gay is crazy. Do younsee what happened in tbe school afterwards??

No, I didn’t see what happened at the school afterwards

You should read it and find out.

 

[Barnesy]

It absolutely is something no Catholic, male or female should see. You are encouraging sin now. And how dare you tell Catholics they should let their kids watch it. You have absolutely no right to say that.

Two men kissing in a way reserved to husband and wife is abnormal.

You also have no idea how it will affect them. Normalization of gay “marriage” and homosexuality is a sin, and that is what saying “it’s ok to watch it” does.

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It’s clear you aren’t Catholic (your profile says), so your opinion on what is “ok” for us means absolutely nothing to me.
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What you quoted said nothing about proximate and remote. I dont think you understand how the difference applies here. And i am NOT encouraging sin and i object you saying that i am. If you think fwo men kissing is a sin then thats up to you. If you think that two men cuddling each other is a sin then thats up to you. If you think that will lead to two men having sex then thats up to you. If you think that you should take girls out of a play because two men in it are gay then thats up to you. If you then think that taking them out of the play will end up with the girls being more supporting of gay rights then you would be quite right because thats what happened. Theres a right way and a wrong way to teach girls about what you think is a sin and you want them to agree with you. The person who took the girls out of the play did it the wrong way as far as you are concerned and we know this because it had the wrong result you wanted.

Every one who supports gay rights would be pleased about what happened. It seems that you are not. So maybe you need to have another think about what was done. If you want more people to support gay rights then take some more girls to the play and walk out just as it starts. If you do something and it has the oppossite affect to what you wanted then it might be a good idea to stop doing it.

 

[EndTimes]

the children won’t have actual experience or awareness of it. It isolates them.

No… They’re too young to have especially grave Mortal Sins of Sex Thrown in their faces.

For Millennia - people have fared very very well without having to be a witness to those Abominations

 

[Barnesy]

Gays don’t have a natural right to marriage.
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And baltimore is the largest city in maryland. Which has as much to do with my last post as your comment.

Edit. And gays have a legal right to marriage in many places. You can hide that fact from children or you can help them understand what it means. Ignore it and it will go away is not a great idea.

 

[Barnesy]

Tell me what the result was in the school. Tell me if that was the outcome you wanted. Tell me youd do the same think all over again knowing that the result would be even worse as far as you are concerned.

 

[Barnesy]

Which is not ok, and our children should be raised to vote against it.
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Then you are obviously going about it the wrong way. You just lost a school full of votes. People who support gay rights will say keep it up!!

 

[EndTimes]

Exactly…

Teach Children what is Real… and they’ll recognize the Counterfeit.

The notion that they have to walk every by-way … is False.

They’ll be encountering signs of sin throughout their entire lives.

 

[Barnesy]

This doesn’t mean that what they did was wrong, it means there should be a follow up regarding the school.
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If i do something and it has the opposite affect to what i wanted then i say to myself ive done something wrong. It must be different for you.

 

[Barnesy]

Can i suggest you finish what you type before you post it. And let me know if youve flagged something as well so everyone can see whos responsible fot the flag.