Charasmatic Catholics?

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If you put it that way, then every saint that went before us are charismatic saints because they bore some or many of these gifts. So, are you saying that our Holy Mother Church charismatic all along, and it takes Protestants’ teachings to enlighten us, therefore Protestants has the truth all along? Please help, I’m getting confused! :confused:
The OP stated that the Catholic church has no Charismatic Saints. I merely pointed out that yes, it does, and gave the example of St. Paul and others we consider to be Saints in the early Church who received the gifts of the Holy Spirit as written about in 1Corinthians, and also at Pentecost, and used them to benefit the Church and build up the Church. Read 1 Corinthians and the book of Acts for these examples.

The Church received the Holy Spirit and His gifts at Pentecost. The Church has always recongnized and taught this, it has nothing to do with Protestant teaching, it has everything to do with Catholic teaching. It is written in the Scriptures. Nothing new there.
 
Notice it says Early Church -first few centuriesA.D.-the Holy Spirit was and is always with us. it more like letting the HS have His way freely giving and submitting ourselves to the infilling of the Spirit:)
For what it’s worth, at our CFP retreat this summer, Fr. Randall mentioned that for the first eight centuries, what we call the “extraordinary” charismatic gifts (healing, exorcism, tongues, deliverances) were considered normative.
 
One of the problems I see with the directon of this thread is that it separates the ordinary charismatic gifts of the sacraments from the extraordinary gifts.

We can’t even have a Mass without the Holy Spirit, and anybody who has never experienced the whomp-upside-the-knot intensity of the Eucharist has something wonderful in store.

When I was coming into the Church, I received the Gift of Tears for ONE WHOLE YEAR every time I picked up Scripture or the Catechism, and at Mass (even though I could not receive Communion). My prayer life was almost terrifyingly alive. At times, in Confession, I have felt almost transported to that locked room where Jesus, himself, said: Whose sins you forgive . . .

I have been healed of habitual sin (only recognizing by hindsight that it was through the intercession of St. Catherine Laboure and Our Lady). I have walked down the street and suddenly “known” that a besetting fault had been healed. These are all things people on this thread would not classify as “charismatic” gifts because they’re not on St. Paul’s short list. Heck. They’re still the working of the Holy Spirit. And in my book that qualifies as “charismatic.”

The whole sacramental enterprise is “charismatic.”
 
Charismatics are an offshoot of the Pentecostals. I steer clear of it. I am getting the sense that this movement will challenge orthodoxy and individuals will have to make a decision on which path to take.
Again a misconception, and inacurate assumption.
 
The volume of Charismatics on this forum is mind-numbing. You come out in force, I have to admit. But it doesn’t sell with me.

In my Catholic bringing up we had and still have the route to our salvation through the sacraments. It’s a course that carries no risk in serving God no illusions and no sensationalism. It’s the right way.

The responses and the amount of them in promoting Charismatic worship does not make it more emphatic in so far as getting close to God. The Eucharist is the closest we can be in this mortal life we have…nothing eclipses the Eucharist.

For myself, I’ll stay the course and take the course of my forefathers in Christ.
Johnstown johnn, I don’t think anyone is trying to “sell” you anything, just trying to answer your questions. As I mentioned in another thread, the Holy Eucharist is the most important thing to me in regard to being Catholic. I love my Catholic Church, my Catholic faith. Like you, I believe in the sacraments, and I believe Jesus is my way to salvation. I’m pretty sure that all the Catholics here on this forum agree that, as you said, “nothing eclipses the Eucharist.”

But when you say “It’s a course that carries no risk in serving God no illusions and no sensationalism. It’s the right way” that’s a little condescending, don’t you think? No one is trying to take away from tradition, or from the Real Presence of Jesus Holy Eucharist. All I’m saying is that by opening my soul to God, and saying “I don’t know it all - work in me as you will” that sometimes the Holy Spirit will grant wonderful gifts of praise. That doesn’t diminish my reverence or awe of the Holy Eucharist – if anything, it enhances it! Being excited about my faith, about Jesus in the Eucharist, and God in my life isn’t being sensational, it’s being joyful in the awesomeness of God! :extrahappy:

There were rules and traditions for many years, and then Jesus came along and changed shook everything up, got people on fire for God, got them to recognize that praising and trusting and focusing ON GOD and not just ON RULES allowed the Holy Spirit to work in their lives. Charasmatic Catholics aren’t out to change the rules (I am reverent during Mass, I don’t want our Mass to be like some other non-denominational services with no order), they’re just in favor of opening themselves and their lives to be infused with the joy of the Holy Spirit. Again I say, how can that be bad?

God bless.
 
Johnstown johnn, I don’t think anyone is trying to “sell” you anything, just trying to answer your questions. As I mentioned in another thread, the Holy Eucharist is the most important thing to me in regard to being Catholic. I love my Catholic Church, my Catholic faith. Like you, I believe in the sacraments, and I believe Jesus is my way to salvation. I’m pretty sure that all the Catholics here on this forum agree that, as you said, “nothing eclipses the Eucharist.”

But when you say “It’s a course that carries no risk in serving God no illusions and no sensationalism. It’s the right way” that’s a little condescending, don’t you think? No one is trying to take away from tradition, or from the Real Presence of Jesus Holy Eucharist. All I’m saying is that by opening my soul to God, and saying “I don’t know it all - work in me as you will” that sometimes the Holy Spirit will grant wonderful gifts of praise. That doesn’t diminish my reverence or awe of the Holy Eucharist – if anything, it enhances it! Being excited about my faith, about Jesus in the Eucharist, and God in my life isn’t being sensational, it’s being joyful in the awesomeness of God! :extrahappy:

There were rules and traditions for many years, and then Jesus came along and changed shook everything up, got people on fire for God, got them to recognize that praising and trusting and focusing ON GOD and not just ON RULES allowed the Holy Spirit to work in their lives. Charasmatic Catholics aren’t out to change the rules (I am reverent during Mass, I don’t want our Mass to be like some other non-denominational services with no order), they’re just in favor of opening themselves and their lives to be infused with the joy of the Holy Spirit. Again I say, how can that be bad?

God bless.
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Am I the only one on this forum that is NOT a Charismatic ?
 
Am I the only one on this forum that is NOT a Charismatic ?
If you believe in the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist, if you believe in the power of Confession, if you believe in the Sacrament of Holy Orders, then YOU are a charismatic, whether you like it or not. Who do you think DOES all of that? It’s the Holy Spirit. Who do you think enables you to pray? It’s the Holy Spirit.
 
Am I the only one on this forum that is NOT a Charismatic ?
I’m sure you’re not, but what you probably don’t realize is that I could sit next to you at Mass and you wouldn’t know I’m a Charismatic. I think because you love our Catholic tradition and reverence so much (as do I and many others) that maybe you’re concerned our Mass might turn into some type of Protestant-like or non-denominational-like service, with hand raising and praising and no reverence for the Holy Eucharist. I can assure you that that is not what I would want to see, and though I can’t speak for anyone but myself, I doubt any other Charismatics would want that either.

But if in defending our Catholic tradition you are attacking fellow Catholics who might just be a little more outward with their praising of God, that’s not very kind. 😉
 
If you believe in the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist, if you believe in the power of Confession, if you believe in the Sacrament of Holy Orders, then YOU are a charismatic, whether you like it or not. Who do you think DOES all of that? It’s the Holy Spirit. Who do you think enables you to pray? It’s the Holy Spirit.
DITTO!! 👍
 
If you believe in the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist, if you believe in the power of Confession, if you believe in the Sacrament of Holy Orders, then YOU are a charismatic, whether you like it or not. Who do you think DOES all of that? It’s the Holy Spirit. Who do you think enables you to pray? It’s the Holy Spirit.
Never heard of “Charismatic” until after Vatican 2. And , NO, I am not a Charismatic.

Since when do we have to proclaim ourselves as “Charismatic” to gain Heaven?
 
Never heard of “Charismatic” until after Vatican 2. And , NO, I am not a Charismatic.

Since when do we have to proclaim ourselves as “Charismatic” to gain Heaven?
Charismatic simply refers to the particular operation of the Holy Spirit. You certainly heard the word “chrism” before Vatican 2. Pope Leo XIII wrote a great encyclical on the Holy Spirit, DIVINUM ILLUD MUNUS*. *I recently learned that he consecrated the world to the Holy Spirit in 1901. That’s pretty charismatic, if you ask me.
 
Never heard of “Charismatic” until after Vatican 2. And , NO, I am not a Charismatic.

Since when do we have to proclaim ourselves as “Charismatic” to gain Heaven?
No one ever said you have to be Charismatic to gain Heaven.

It seems like you’re more interested in bashing people who are open about their faith in Jesus and excited about being Catholic than you are about actually learning about them, which is a shame. 😦

I’m 28 years old, been a Catholic my whole life, praying that my husband will convert to Catholicism, and in the meantime I’m raising our daughter in the Catholic faith. As you can tell by my age, all I’ve ever known is post-Vatican II, and I can tell you that I love Jesus with all my heart, I am overwhelmed by His love in the Real Presence in the Holy Eucharist, and that the fact that He gives me that gift whenever I want it makes me joyful! Opening my heart to the Lord of lords and King of kings isn’t a bad thing, it isn’t wrong, and if God chooses to send the Holy Spirit to me in a way that manifests His love through outward expressions, I feel blessed. It doesn’t happen often, but when it does, I feel blessed. I hope that you are as joyful in your experience of God.

Hebrews2:4
And God confirmed the message by giving signs and wonders and various miracles and gifts of the Holy Spirit whenever he chose.

Matthew 3:11
“I baptize with water those who repent of their sins and turn to God. But someone is coming soon who is greater than I am—so much greater that I’m not worthy even to be his slave and carry his sandals. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with fire.

Matthew 12:31-32
“So I tell you, every sin and blasphemy can be forgiven—except blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, which will never be forgiven.
Anyone who speaks against the Son of Man can be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven, either in this world or in the world to come.

Mark 1:8
"I baptize you with water, but he will baptize you with the Holy Spirit!”

Luke 1:67-80
67 Then his father, Zechariah, was filled with the Holy Spirit and gave this prophecy:
68 “Praise the Lord, the God of Israel,
because he has visited and redeemed his people.
69 He has sent us a mighty Savior[g]
from the royal line of his servant David,
70 just as he promised
through his holy prophets long ago.
71 Now we will be saved from our enemies
and from all who hate us.
72 He has been merciful to our ancestors
by remembering his sacred covenant—
73 the covenant he swore with an oath
to our ancestor Abraham.
74 We have been rescued from our enemies
so we can serve God without fear,
75 in holiness and righteousness
for as long as we live.

76 “And you, my little son,
will be called the prophet of the Most High,
because you will prepare the way for the Lord.
77 You will tell his people how to find salvation
through forgiveness of their sins.
78 Because of God’s tender mercy,
the morning light from heaven is about to break upon us,[h]
79 to give light to those who sit in darkness and in the shadow of death,
and to guide us to the path of peace.”
80 John grew up and became strong in spirit. And he lived in the wilderness until he began his public ministry to Israel.

Luke 1:46-56
The Magnificat: Mary’s Song of Praise

46 Mary responded,
“Oh, how my soul praises the Lord.
47 How my spirit rejoices in God my Savior!
48 For he took notice of his lowly servant girl,
and from now on all generations will call me blessed.
49 For the Mighty One is holy,
and he has done great things for me.
50 He shows mercy from generation to generation
to all who fear him.
51 His mighty arm has done tremendous things!
He has scattered the proud and haughty ones.
52 He has brought down princes from their thrones
and exalted the humble.
53 He has filled the hungry with good things
and sent the rich away with empty hands.
54 He has helped his servant Israel
and remembered to be merciful.
55 For he made this promise to our ancestors,
to Abraham and his children forever.”
56 Mary stayed with Elizabeth about three months and then went back to her own home.

John 3:6
Humans can reproduce only human life, but the Holy Spirit gives birth to spiritual life.

John 14:17
He is the Holy Spirit, who leads into all truth. The world cannot receive him, because it isn’t looking for him and doesn’t recognize him. But you know him, because he lives with you now and later will be in you.

John 20:21-23
21 Again he said, “Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, so I am sending you.” 22 Then he breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit. 23 If you forgive anyone’s sins, they are forgiven. If you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven.”

Acts 2:4
And everyone present was filled with the Holy Spirit and began speaking in other languages, as the Holy Spirit gave them this ability.

Acts 2:33
Now he is exalted to the place of highest honor in heaven, at God’s right hand. And the Father, as he had promised, gave him the Holy Spirit to pour out upon us, just as you see and hear today.

Acts 4:31
After this prayer, the meeting place shook, and they were all filled with the Holy Spirit. Then they preached the word of God with boldness.

Acts 11:23-25
23 When he arrived and saw this evidence of God’s blessing, he was filled with joy, and he encouraged the believers to stay true to the Lord. 24 Barnabas was a good man, full of the Holy Spirit and strong in faith. And many people were brought to the Lord.

Romans 8:26
And the Holy Spirit helps us in our weakness. For example, we don’t know what God wants us to pray for. But the Holy Spirit prays for us with groanings that cannot be expressed in words.

(Do a search for Holy Spirit on any Bible search engine and you’ll find double the amount I posted here. The Holy Spirit is part of the Trinity – being filled with it is a wonderful thing!)

God bless. ❤️
 
For anyone who is interested, in case they don’t know, you can access the Catechism of the Catholic Church online at:
scborromeo.org/ccc.htm
From there you have several choices as to how to read/search the Catechism. I like to choose the Catechism of the Catholic Church Index (which enables you to search alphabetically) – then choose “H” for Holy Spirit. You can cross-reference it with so many areas of our faith for more information on how the Holy Spirit is part of our faith.
Since I’ve found this online resource, I’ve read more of the Catechism than ever before in my whole life, because it makes it easy to find things.
God bless! :crossrc: ❤️
 
I’m a Catholic convert since '92 and am also very suspicious of the charismatic movement. Why?

#1------

Quote from a charismatic at my parish,“I’m so in love with the Holy Spirit!! I don’t even go to Mass anymore–our ‘Life in the Spirit Seminars’ on Friday nights are so powerful!!!”

He was in love with his own enthusiasm for what he believed to be the Spirit.

Now I ask you—What spirit would lead someone away from the Mass?
 
I’m a Catholic convert since '92 and am also very suspicious of the charismatic movement. Why?

Quote from a charismatic at my parish,“I’m so in love with the Holy Spirit!! I don’t even go to Mass anymore–our ‘Life in the Spirit Seminars’ on Friday nights are so powerful!!!”

He was in love with his own enthusiasm for what he believed to be the Spirit.

Now I ask you—What spirit would lead someone away from the Mass?
Hi scriabin, I’m Belle 🙂

I wouldn’t base your understanding of Charismatics on that one person – sounds like they’re not understanding true Catholicism, in which nothing replaces Mass and the Holy Eucharist.

We don’t have “Life in the Spirit Seminars” in our church, but when I was younger I attended a few; however, they were NEVER a replacement for Sunday Mass. They were simply another way to praise Jesus and draw nearer to Him. ❤️
 
I’m a Catholic convert since '92 and am also very suspicious of the charismatic movement. Why?

Quote from a charismatic at my parish,“I’m so in love with the Holy Spirit!! I don’t even go to Mass anymore–our ‘Life in the Spirit Seminars’ on Friday nights are so powerful!!!”

He was in love with his own enthusiasm for what he believed to be the Spirit.

Now I ask you—What spirit would lead someone away from the Mass?
I understand your point, but again, that’s not a problem with the movement. It’s a problem with a person, and in this particular case, a person who has a very poor teaching about the movement. That’s like saying I’m weary of the catholic church because a priest I know was indited in a sex scandal. It’s a problem with the preist, not the church. Don’t let one whacky, out there charismatic, give us all a bad name. That really wouldn’t be fair.

God Bless
 
I’m a Catholic convert since '92 and am also very suspicious of the charismatic movement. Why?

#1------

Quote from a charismatic at my parish,“I’m so in love with the Holy Spirit!! I don’t even go to Mass anymore–our ‘Life in the Spirit Seminars’ on Friday nights are so powerful!!!”

He was in love with his own enthusiasm for what he believed to be the Spirit.

Now I ask you—What spirit would lead someone away from the Mass?
My spirit within tells me to stay away from this movement.
 
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