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Marie
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Personaly, I am Cath-O-Matic. 
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Rae
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I would absolutely agree with a strong warning to stay far away from this particular church.
As for legitimate (Pope-approved) Charismatic Catholic churches,
I have my doubts. There is something that seems fake about it. Itâs not that I donât believe that some people receive special âcharismatic giftsâ from God, but I doubt itâs at the high level that these services seem to boast. I think, perhaps, it becomes a contest of âwhoâs gellinââ and âwhose notâ. Perhaps a little peer pressure? I donât know.
What makes me wonder some of this is the fact that we have many Catholic saints. They all lead holy lives and are rewarded, in heaven, and by the Church on earth, by the âSaintâ status. Not all saints had charismatic gifts. Some had one, or two. But not all. Padre Pio was one of those who had MANY. And even his were not something that everyone would desire (such as the stigmata, which was very painful, and of which he endured for 50 years).
Most of the saints endured great suffering, and were often times very quiet about their âgiftsâ, in true humility. Not in boasting or in showing off to others.
I also agree with those that stated that âspeaking in tonguesâ means that itâs a recognizeable, understandable, language, and not just jibberish. That was the point of the Pentecost, correct? That everyone understood?
Iâm sure there are some benefits to the âmovementâ (as long as it is not schismatic by nature), such as itâs attention on the third person of the Trinity, and the enthusiasm and joy which is felt and shown. I just hope that those that are involved in this âmovementâ and who attend these âservicesâ are not replacing the importance of the Eucharist, which is the primary focus of worship as a Christian, along with the other Sacraments, do not reject the Churchâs authority, and recall that the Holy Spirit chooses what gifts He gives, and to Whom.
As for legitimate (Pope-approved) Charismatic Catholic churches,
I have my doubts. There is something that seems fake about it. Itâs not that I donât believe that some people receive special âcharismatic giftsâ from God, but I doubt itâs at the high level that these services seem to boast. I think, perhaps, it becomes a contest of âwhoâs gellinââ and âwhose notâ. Perhaps a little peer pressure? I donât know.
What makes me wonder some of this is the fact that we have many Catholic saints. They all lead holy lives and are rewarded, in heaven, and by the Church on earth, by the âSaintâ status. Not all saints had charismatic gifts. Some had one, or two. But not all. Padre Pio was one of those who had MANY. And even his were not something that everyone would desire (such as the stigmata, which was very painful, and of which he endured for 50 years).
Most of the saints endured great suffering, and were often times very quiet about their âgiftsâ, in true humility. Not in boasting or in showing off to others.
I also agree with those that stated that âspeaking in tonguesâ means that itâs a recognizeable, understandable, language, and not just jibberish. That was the point of the Pentecost, correct? That everyone understood?
Iâm sure there are some benefits to the âmovementâ (as long as it is not schismatic by nature), such as itâs attention on the third person of the Trinity, and the enthusiasm and joy which is felt and shown. I just hope that those that are involved in this âmovementâ and who attend these âservicesâ are not replacing the importance of the Eucharist, which is the primary focus of worship as a Christian, along with the other Sacraments, do not reject the Churchâs authority, and recall that the Holy Spirit chooses what gifts He gives, and to Whom.
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twf
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Correct me if Iâm wrongâŚbut I donât think having the ability to speak in an understandable language is the only form of tongues. Consider 1 Cor. 13:1:
If I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am become sounding brass, or a clanging cymbal.
This implies that some people have been (and still are?) given the gift to speak in heavenly languagesâŚI would say for the edification of the Church (when interpreted) and in private prayer (when one can not express a prayer in oneâs own language?)âthough I am not basing the second on Divine Revelation, but experience (not personal thoughâŚand I realize experience is secondary to Revelation).
1 Cor. 12:30 mentions the gift of interpretationâŚright after the gift of tonguesâŚso there must be tongues that require interpretation (thus not understandable on their own). In 1 Cor. 14 this is further seen when Paul lays down guidelines for tonguesâŚhe insists that there must be interpreters, otherwise the gift does not edify anyone (when uttered in public) as it can not be understood. He also limited the number of âtonguesâ messages to three per Mass. Vs. 23 further clarifies that this particular gift of tongues, unlike that seen at Pentecost, is not understood without a divine gift of interpretation to go along.
Perhaps there is something in the Catechism on this? Or is the Magisterium silent on the types of tongues?
If I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am become sounding brass, or a clanging cymbal.
This implies that some people have been (and still are?) given the gift to speak in heavenly languagesâŚI would say for the edification of the Church (when interpreted) and in private prayer (when one can not express a prayer in oneâs own language?)âthough I am not basing the second on Divine Revelation, but experience (not personal thoughâŚand I realize experience is secondary to Revelation).
1 Cor. 12:30 mentions the gift of interpretationâŚright after the gift of tonguesâŚso there must be tongues that require interpretation (thus not understandable on their own). In 1 Cor. 14 this is further seen when Paul lays down guidelines for tonguesâŚhe insists that there must be interpreters, otherwise the gift does not edify anyone (when uttered in public) as it can not be understood. He also limited the number of âtonguesâ messages to three per Mass. Vs. 23 further clarifies that this particular gift of tongues, unlike that seen at Pentecost, is not understood without a divine gift of interpretation to go along.
Perhaps there is something in the Catechism on this? Or is the Magisterium silent on the types of tongues?
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Lukey
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A lot of different views and concerns have been expressed here, and they all raise valid and important points. I am no expert on the Charasmatic Renewal. Indeed, I have a lot of questions, especially regarding the role of these gifts throughout the last fifteen hundred years of the Church? To be honest, I havenât come across accounts of people speaking in tongues, getting slain in the spirit, etc throughout the middle ages, for instance. Yes, I have much study to do, but what I can share is my experience of the Charasmatic Renewal. I remember when a group of ladies prayed over me for the ârelease in the Spiritâ. They asked me to read out âThe Miracle Prayerâ by Father Peter Rooke. When I started reading it I felt nothing, but half way through I just started weeping, uncontrollably, and the tears didnât stop until I had read the last word of the prayer. It was so freaky yet so wonderful, like nothing Iâd ever experienced. Since then, my experience of Jesus love has been deeper than it ever had before. If this is pure emotionalism, then sorry, but itâs done me the world of good and Iâd reccomend it to every Christian. But I believe this is a real work of the Holy Spirit, and I donât want to stand in His way. Scripture tells us of the Spiritâs outpouring at the first Pentecost, what happened in the following centuries Iâm not too sure on, but itâs my experience that God, in His goodness, has poured out His Spirit afresh on the world in something akin to a second Pentecost. Why? Perhaps because the world has never been so far from Him as it is now? And maybe, just maybe the Lord is coming back sooner than we think? Well, itâs possible. On a final note, itâs also been my experience that the Charasmatic Movement, when under complete submission to the Church leaders, has fostered an increased love for the pope, for the Eucharist, for Our Lady, the Rosary, Confession, the Bible, and for our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
Thank you, Karl, for this forum. May the Lord use it to bring forth a greater love of the Truth.
Thank you, Karl, for this forum. May the Lord use it to bring forth a greater love of the Truth.
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JimmyJoe
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I have heard about liturgical abuses within the Charasmatic Catholics masses, soâŚ
If I may brag about the CC group that I attend. We have rosary and mass every week right before our meeting, and it is pretty straight forward and on the level. The only âabuseâ I see is holding hands during the Our Father(but that seems to be the norm in many non- Charasmatic masses). In fact, the only difference between our weekly mass and a non-Charasmatic weekly mass is that we probably sing louder. Before the first meeting of the month we have exposition of the blessed sacrament instead of a mass. Most of our members are up in age and were there when this group started 34 years or so ago. Most of them seem to know all the prayers that I never was exposed to by heart. We are very loyal to the Pope and there is no radical teachings that point otherwise.
In our meetings, we sing songs, share testimonies, praise out loud(with and without tounges), and pray for one another.
As far as tounges go, we all realize that this is the least of the gifts, however it is edifying for each of us to come together as a group and praise the Lord in unison (with or without speaking in tounges.Some of our members donât).
If yourâe ever near St.Francis Borgia parish in Chicago on a Thursday night, come on by! Rosary and mass is at 7pm, meeting right afterwards.
Also, btw, Ralph Martin is a Charasmatic.
God bless,
Jim
If I may brag about the CC group that I attend. We have rosary and mass every week right before our meeting, and it is pretty straight forward and on the level. The only âabuseâ I see is holding hands during the Our Father(but that seems to be the norm in many non- Charasmatic masses). In fact, the only difference between our weekly mass and a non-Charasmatic weekly mass is that we probably sing louder. Before the first meeting of the month we have exposition of the blessed sacrament instead of a mass. Most of our members are up in age and were there when this group started 34 years or so ago. Most of them seem to know all the prayers that I never was exposed to by heart. We are very loyal to the Pope and there is no radical teachings that point otherwise.
In our meetings, we sing songs, share testimonies, praise out loud(with and without tounges), and pray for one another.
As far as tounges go, we all realize that this is the least of the gifts, however it is edifying for each of us to come together as a group and praise the Lord in unison (with or without speaking in tounges.Some of our members donât).
If yourâe ever near St.Francis Borgia parish in Chicago on a Thursday night, come on by! Rosary and mass is at 7pm, meeting right afterwards.
Also, btw, Ralph Martin is a Charasmatic.
God bless,
Jim
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Marie
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The church is not silent on the Charismâs. JPII has written extensively about itâŚwith a directive on their proper use.
One of theose documents is DECREE ON THE APOSTOLATE OF THE LAITY
APOSTOLICAM ACTUOSITATEM
I think there in lies the problem. Too many self appointed prophets do not follow the church teaching on authority to interpret what is right and good, and what is imagination.
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Les_Richardson
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That is the first and obvious test is it not? If the fruits of the movement in any church are a lessening of love for the Church, the Pope, Our Lady, and so forth, and are fostering liturgical abuse, perhaps there is a spirit other than the Holy Spirit at work, and caution would be in order.
I have always been uncomfortable with that expression âslain in the spirit.â To me it suggests a loss of control by the individual. Just a momentâs reflection on Church doctrine on original sin, on salvation, justification, sanctification, the sacrament of confession(reconciliation)and so on will point out that common thread throughout. God does not force us. We are always in control of ourselves. We are responsible for the choices we make. When we choose wrongly and commit sin we can freely choose to confess and be reconciled to God. And sadly, we could freely choose to walk away from God. (This is the fundamental difference from Calvinism) All of this confirms that God will not possess us by the Holy Spirit such that we are out of our own rational control. Thus it is that Paul teaches that the gift is in the control of the person receiving it.
Having said that, I personally have had many very emotional moments during the Mass that I can only attribute to the fact that I have opened myself to receive the body, blood, soul and divinity of our Lord and the Holy Spirit blessed me with spiritual insight and experience. I find that when I truly love and worship God, through His Son and Holy Spirit for His own sake, not for my own selfish reasons, not seeking any experience, but simply putting myself at His feet saying, âhere I am, I am yoursâ, it is at those times that the Holy Spirit sometimes chooses to fill me with love, with joy.
Seeking the experience for its own sake is putting the cart before the horse, and leads to all sorts of pressures, anxieties, and distortions. There can arise, as in some charismatic Protestant churches, an elitism of experience. They even accept something called âecstatic speechâ which goes away out and beyond language (tongue). Further, if as Paul teaches, they are asked to keep silence if there is no interpreter, there are those who take offense at not being allowed to display their gift. Is that the spirit of humility? Is that the Spirit of Christ, the Holy Spirit?
âAnd there Jesus sits on the altar, mass after mass - the true miracle. Itâs right there - and yet so many flee from Him in search of some intense spiritual experience.â - **Lorarose **You are absolutely right.
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chrystl
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Iâve been part of the Charistmatic Renewal for over 20 years, and have had nothing but a good come out of it. And I will readily admit, itâs not for everyone. However, if you think really hard about, each of us is blessed with the Holy Spirit since the ay of our Baptism. The Catholic Charismatic Renewal just shows their gifts of the Spirit in different ways.
Remember, speaking in tongues is one of the minor gifts that the Spirit gives us. And there are those who can interpret as Paul said to his first letter to the Corinthians. We each have differeng gifts: some to preach, some to minister to the poor and hungry, ministering to the sick and homebound, some to proclaim the word of God, etc.
As for abuses, (and must also admit Iâm not comfortable with that word) it is prevalent in every aspect of the Mass and the Eucharist whether we know it or not no matter what the setting is. But that is neither here nor there in this discussion and I wonât go into that here.
Read the âLiturgical Docmentsâ if you have concerns whether the Charismatic Mass you are attending is Liturgically correct. (Have fun, as it comes in two large volumes.)
If you have questions regarding the Catholic Charismatic Renewal, visit their website at www-dot-ccc.garg.com. (Sorry, Iâm not allowed to do links yet. There is a frequently asked question section that might give some clarity.
As the Catholic Church has many people with its differentr cultures and backgrounds, we must also be aware of the differences in the way we pray. Jesus gave us the Holy Sjpirit on Pentacost as our advocate in order that we may continue the work Jesus left us to do. Quibbling about what the Holy Spirit should and shouldnât look like is petty compared what the Holy Spirit is suppose to do in our hearts.
Peace
Remember, speaking in tongues is one of the minor gifts that the Spirit gives us. And there are those who can interpret as Paul said to his first letter to the Corinthians. We each have differeng gifts: some to preach, some to minister to the poor and hungry, ministering to the sick and homebound, some to proclaim the word of God, etc.
As for abuses, (and must also admit Iâm not comfortable with that word) it is prevalent in every aspect of the Mass and the Eucharist whether we know it or not no matter what the setting is. But that is neither here nor there in this discussion and I wonât go into that here.
Read the âLiturgical Docmentsâ if you have concerns whether the Charismatic Mass you are attending is Liturgically correct. (Have fun, as it comes in two large volumes.)
If you have questions regarding the Catholic Charismatic Renewal, visit their website at www-dot-ccc.garg.com. (Sorry, Iâm not allowed to do links yet.
There is a frequently asked question section that might give some clarity.As the Catholic Church has many people with its differentr cultures and backgrounds, we must also be aware of the differences in the way we pray. Jesus gave us the Holy Sjpirit on Pentacost as our advocate in order that we may continue the work Jesus left us to do. Quibbling about what the Holy Spirit should and shouldnât look like is petty compared what the Holy Spirit is suppose to do in our hearts.
Peace
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beng
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1Cor 14
14:27
If any speak in a tongue, let there be only two or at most three, and each in turn; and let one interpret.
14:28
But if there is no one to interpret, let each of them keep silence in church and speak to himself and to God.
14:27
If any speak in a tongue, let there be only two or at most three, and each in turn; and let one interpret.
14:28
But if there is no one to interpret, let each of them keep silence in church and speak to himself and to God.
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Genuflecter
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Upon reading many of the posts in this thread, I canât help wondering where all these wacked-out churches are? I donât know what brand of Charismatic Churches folks are seeing out there that are so awful, but itâs certainly not the same Charismatic Renewal Iâve experienced. Iâm part of (or actually in formation) in a Catholic Charismatic Community and it is âveryâ orthodox. We also have a Charismatic Catholic Church in one of our suburbs and high on liturgical abuses it is not! For the most part people involved in the renewal in our city know considerably more about Catholic teaching than most other Catholics and they also tend to have a greater respect for the teaching authority of the Magisterium.
Our community is entirely Catholic, but in conjunction with many other communities made up of Catholic, Protestant, and Orthodox Christians. All of the teaching in our community is in communion with and in reference to the Catechism of the Catholic Church, Vatican II documents, Papal encyclicals, writings of the saints, and of course Sacred Scripture and Tradition. We also have several priests in our diocese that have come out of the ranks of the community. Occasionally we have a mass and Eucharistic adoration. You hear a lot of people speaking in tongues (but not during mass). Sometimes people think itâs either some kind of rocket science or altogether fake. Thereâs a lot of opinions on what speaking in tongues is, but be careful not to be too critical (and judgmental) just because you donât understand it. Did you know JP II speaks in tongues? Incidently, Iâve never seen anybody fall over backwards in our community.
Most importantly, in the Charismatic Renewal youâll find a real zeal for life in the spirit. Occasionally Iâll hear non-Catholics say the Catholic Church is just a bunch of man-made traditions. There are no man-made Traditions (that is with a capital T), only Sacred Tradition gone wrong. This is why life in the spirit is so critical to authentic Christianity. When Sacred Tradition is seen through the eyes of the spirit itâs a beautiful gift from God that draws us into greater intimacy with Him. When seen through the eyes of the flesh itâs only an obstacle that gets in the way. Real Christianity is relational, not mechanical, and itâs also about humility, obedience, accountability, and responsibility; to live fully in the life of the Sacramental Church. This is the Charismatic Renewal Iâve been privileged to experience.
Our community is entirely Catholic, but in conjunction with many other communities made up of Catholic, Protestant, and Orthodox Christians. All of the teaching in our community is in communion with and in reference to the Catechism of the Catholic Church, Vatican II documents, Papal encyclicals, writings of the saints, and of course Sacred Scripture and Tradition. We also have several priests in our diocese that have come out of the ranks of the community. Occasionally we have a mass and Eucharistic adoration. You hear a lot of people speaking in tongues (but not during mass). Sometimes people think itâs either some kind of rocket science or altogether fake. Thereâs a lot of opinions on what speaking in tongues is, but be careful not to be too critical (and judgmental) just because you donât understand it. Did you know JP II speaks in tongues? Incidently, Iâve never seen anybody fall over backwards in our community.
Most importantly, in the Charismatic Renewal youâll find a real zeal for life in the spirit. Occasionally Iâll hear non-Catholics say the Catholic Church is just a bunch of man-made traditions. There are no man-made Traditions (that is with a capital T), only Sacred Tradition gone wrong. This is why life in the spirit is so critical to authentic Christianity. When Sacred Tradition is seen through the eyes of the spirit itâs a beautiful gift from God that draws us into greater intimacy with Him. When seen through the eyes of the flesh itâs only an obstacle that gets in the way. Real Christianity is relational, not mechanical, and itâs also about humility, obedience, accountability, and responsibility; to live fully in the life of the Sacramental Church. This is the Charismatic Renewal Iâve been privileged to experience.
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Irish_Melkite
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SPM,
DV is correct; the parish is part of a schismatic Church in the Old Catholic line. It is likely that their sacraments and orders are valid, though illicit, as the episcopal lineage of their bishop appears to trace directly to the Old Catholics of the Utrecht Confession and Rome has formally deemed the orders of the Utrecht OCs to generally be valid - although Harris-Gul lineage is sometimes of more concern than others. (Old Catholic lines of apostolic succession in the US, other than the Polish National Catholics, have not been formally assessed as to validity and some would absolutely not pass muster in that respect.)
Many years,
Neil
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SPOKENWORD
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beng said:
Beng, So much for in ACTS 19 vs 6 .As Paul laid his hands on them, the Holy Spirit came down on them and they began to speak in tongues and to utter prophecies. Wow!, a sign of the baptism of the Holy Spirit. Praise God.
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NateHarburg
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Check out:
davenevins.com/loveofgod/topâŚmatic-gifts.htm
presentationministries.com/brochures/Tongues.asp
The gift of tongues is available to all! I personally have found the gift VERY beneficial in building my relationship with God. I highly recommend you read the above links!
davenevins.com/loveofgod/topâŚmatic-gifts.htm
presentationministries.com/brochures/Tongues.asp
The gift of tongues is available to all! I personally have found the gift VERY beneficial in building my relationship with God. I highly recommend you read the above links!
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Vitus
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Thank you for the cites again (as you posted the same exact post in another thread). It reinforces the fact that bad exegesis and and ignorance of church history runs rampant in the Charismatic movements.
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Bernard_Jones
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There is a house of priests and brothers from the Missionaries of Godâs Love here in Darwin. The MGLs are a charismatic congregation, and I have had the privilege of coming to know some of them. They are very holy men with a thoroughly orthodox understanding of the Faith, and they take their vows of poverty very seriously. They are very active in reaching out to young people with the message of the Gospel, with a special focus on prayer, confession and the Rosary. It is true that they âspeak in tonguesâ at times, but this is not the focus of their life.
I am not strongly attracted to charismatic spirituality, but I can see the attractiveness of these men.
It is interesting that the MGLs and the Jesuits are the only congregations here in Australia with anything like healthy numbers of vocations. I am not sure if there is a common thread there, or if there is some other reason for this.
I am not strongly attracted to charismatic spirituality, but I can see the attractiveness of these men.
It is interesting that the MGLs and the Jesuits are the only congregations here in Australia with anything like healthy numbers of vocations. I am not sure if there is a common thread there, or if there is some other reason for this.
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Makerteacher
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My experiences of the Renewal over the last 17 years have been overwhelmingly positive, and overwhelmingly Catholic. I belong to a Covenant Catholic Charismatic Community. Our community is a part of the Catholic Charismatic Communities fraternity withing the Church (link at end of post) This is an official lay apostolate of the Faith that is approved by JPII and has his blessings and encouragement.
99% of the Charismatics I am acquainted with are considerably MORE orthodox and Catholic than your average Joe Catholic in the Pew. Our Masses are formal and reverent, and the only real difference between us and a parish Mass, as stated before, is that we sing better (and with more enthusiasm.) We have no liturgical abuses. We also tend to adore the Elevated Eucharist during the Consecration for a longer time period than many parishes. We are not based on emotional feel-good-isms but solidly grounded on the Faith handed down to us through the centuries.
We believe we are called to be leaven in our parishes, and as such we do not have weekly Mass together. (We do celebrate special Masses as a Community a few times a year, most prominently at Pentecost, the beginning of the School year, and whenever we have Confirmations or First Eucharist celebrations.) We do have weekly prayer meetings, which do NOT replace regular Sunday attendance at Mass in our respective parishes. We gather for about two hours of music, praise, and teachings, and some word gifts, including prophecies. We do sing in tongues (all together, each praying to God directly, no interpretation needed or expected-- it sounds so beautiful) but speaking out in tongues is far more rare, and has always been followed with Interpretation. (Once someone spoke out very clearly in perfect Latin, which the priest in our community easily translated. The woman who spoke has never studied Latin.) We do pray over anyone who asks us to, for healing or whatever troubles they are facing. We do use blessed oil to do so. When one of our priests is present, we ask him to lead that prayer.
We are extremely active in living out our faith. We are connected through small groups know as Shared Life Clusters (or SLCs) which are the vehicle by which we remain connected and can care for one another. Together we study the Catechism, the Scriptures, and the depths of our Faith in many ways (my group is about the start Theology of The Body). We also have a number of outreach ministries, from a Boy Scout troop to youth and young adult ministries to an airport outreach which distributes literature in airports, like âPillar of Fire, Pillar of Truth.â
We sponsor and run (and partially staff) a wonderful Catholic school, which is the ONLY school in our diocese to have Daily Mass. We have First Friday Adoration, monthly confessions, frequent Rosaries, a Eucharistic Chapel, and morning prayer for teachers BEFORE Mass.
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99% of the Charismatics I am acquainted with are considerably MORE orthodox and Catholic than your average Joe Catholic in the Pew. Our Masses are formal and reverent, and the only real difference between us and a parish Mass, as stated before, is that we sing better (and with more enthusiasm.) We have no liturgical abuses. We also tend to adore the Elevated Eucharist during the Consecration for a longer time period than many parishes. We are not based on emotional feel-good-isms but solidly grounded on the Faith handed down to us through the centuries.
We believe we are called to be leaven in our parishes, and as such we do not have weekly Mass together. (We do celebrate special Masses as a Community a few times a year, most prominently at Pentecost, the beginning of the School year, and whenever we have Confirmations or First Eucharist celebrations.) We do have weekly prayer meetings, which do NOT replace regular Sunday attendance at Mass in our respective parishes. We gather for about two hours of music, praise, and teachings, and some word gifts, including prophecies. We do sing in tongues (all together, each praying to God directly, no interpretation needed or expected-- it sounds so beautiful) but speaking out in tongues is far more rare, and has always been followed with Interpretation. (Once someone spoke out very clearly in perfect Latin, which the priest in our community easily translated. The woman who spoke has never studied Latin.) We do pray over anyone who asks us to, for healing or whatever troubles they are facing. We do use blessed oil to do so. When one of our priests is present, we ask him to lead that prayer.
We are extremely active in living out our faith. We are connected through small groups know as Shared Life Clusters (or SLCs) which are the vehicle by which we remain connected and can care for one another. Together we study the Catechism, the Scriptures, and the depths of our Faith in many ways (my group is about the start Theology of The Body). We also have a number of outreach ministries, from a Boy Scout troop to youth and young adult ministries to an airport outreach which distributes literature in airports, like âPillar of Fire, Pillar of Truth.â
We sponsor and run (and partially staff) a wonderful Catholic school, which is the ONLY school in our diocese to have Daily Mass. We have First Friday Adoration, monthly confessions, frequent Rosaries, a Eucharistic Chapel, and morning prayer for teachers BEFORE Mass.
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Makerteacher
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We are unlike Montanists in many ways. We are not ascetics, we do not believe we have âsuperior knowledgeâ, we are in FULL obedience with the Holy See, and we are not anti-intellectuals at ALL. (Fr. Paul Hinnebusch was a member of our community: I challenge you to find anything the least bit unorthodox or anti-intellectual about that holy man, now deceased.) frpaulhinnebusch.org/
For a link to the fraternity of communities, go here: www.catholicfraternity.net
For a link to my community, The Christian Community of Godâs delight in Dallas, TX, go to www.lumen2000.com
Finally, hereâs one of our better known members in the CCC fraternity. This group is awesome, they are doing so many wonderful things! www.emmanuelcommunity.com
For a link to the fraternity of communities, go here: www.catholicfraternity.net
For a link to my community, The Christian Community of Godâs delight in Dallas, TX, go to www.lumen2000.com
Finally, hereâs one of our better known members in the CCC fraternity. This group is awesome, they are doing so many wonderful things! www.emmanuelcommunity.com
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ginny
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Many of you keep talking about tongues and having someone interpret. That is one kind but mostly what you hear is a prayer language. The Holy Spirit helps us when we donât know how to pray and neither kind of tongues is heard at Mass - unless it is specifically a Charismatic Mass. Doesnât Paul say that he wished everyone would have tongues? All of the people I know who are Charismatic are also very orthodox.
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Fortiterinre
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My motto is, Unambiguously Faithful Without Distraction. If the Charismatic Renewal nourishes YOU in OUR shared faith without becoming a distaction, glory to God! When something takes OUR shared faith and makes it only YOURS, it is a distraction. We each have different interests and attractions within the Churchâsome are drawn to Latin in the Mass, some to Marian devotions, some to the Charismatic Renewal. Many of these movements are good, but none are ârequired.â
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Makerteacher
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You make an excellent point and I completely agree. There are so many wonderful lay apostolate movements in our Faith, and the Holy Spirit calls different people to serve in different places. This does not invalidate the other apostolates in any way. I have friends involved as Third Order Franciscans, Opus Dei, etc etc. None of us is trying to convert the other to come to âour kindâ of spirituality. We are many parts but all one body!!
My hope is to clarify here on these boards that the Charismatic Renewal is a valid and fruitful lay apostolate, despite there being some âloosey gooseyâ folks involved. Thereâs flakes in ANY movement. Itâs obviously not for everybody, but let us each be careful not to disparage the valid workings of the SApirit in the lives of our Catholic brothers and sisters. The Renewal 1. is approved by the Pope 2. is NOT heretical in its theology 3. and does have good fruits
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