Mysty101:
I can’t post in that original thread either
Do you honestly think anyone will read all that? Could yiu give us the condensed version?
You have stated that those involved in CCR are just about the only Catholics to speak about a personal relationship with Jesus. Maybe it would be productive to find an authentic CCR group, and propose your theories?
There are channels for everything. The best theory in the world is of no use, if you do not have a vehicle to promote it.
Come now,
Mysty101, it sounds as though you’ve read it, or some of it. I’ve actually seen longer series of posts. Beyond that, I had started the thread and felt a certain responsibility to bring it around to what I have trying to get at throughout. (If I had a website I’d write a treatise and post a one-liner and a link) That was the condensed version. The comment to Makerteacher was simply a response to another post in which Makerteacher apologized for long-windedness.
It seemed to me, when I first read some of the materials, promotions, and other statements from charismatic groups that it was indeed the case that they were almost the only ones using that particular expression at least, ie. “personal relationship with Jesus Christ.” It caught my eye, having come from an evangelical Protestant background, and that is an expression central to their approach to salvation. Over time, being tuned for the expression, I have heard it elsewhere, particularly, as I mentioned, on EWTN. That is why I was so excited by Fr Cantalamessa’s analysis in his discourse on the Baptism of the Holy Spirit, when I found it and read it. He actually makes the case for what I was elaborating on in my lengthy posts, perhaps without realizing it, for he was focussed on the “Baptism of the Spirit”.
You no doubt read Makerteacher’s description of the community in Texas. Other than the wild prayer meetings, I would likely find that a comfortable place to be. However, this isn’t about me being comfortable.
As to vehicle, I am working on that too. God will provide when the time is right. Highly unlikely that it would be any part of the CCR. Realistically, going into this discussion I had been aware of many warnings that it is almost futile to make the points that I have to charismatics. Do you think that anyone in any charismatic group, authentic or otherwise, would listen to me in essence tell them they are off center in their practices and the theology that underpins them? Actually, this format is better, because individuals can read points of view here and have the opportunity privately to think about them and perhaps re-think. And more importantly, someone who has an interest can have the benefit of another point of view with reasons for it.
But most of all, and the reason for the lengthy posts, is that I would not be accomplishing anything by mere critique, if I did not offer an alternative. Read it again if you can spare the time, and I think you will see that we’re not talking theory, but the core of the gospel, from which we stray at our own risk.
And I do believe that someone’s salvation and sanctification may well depend on whether not they can get the charismatic movement into context and perspective in their mind.
For that reason alone, this is worthwhile.