Chicago Catholics Outraged by Hillary Speech

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Tom317 said:
Cardinal George is a wonderful man and leader. I just wonder why he would let Hillary speak?
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Practically speaking, a bishop can neither micromanage all of these things, nor is everyone actively seeking his permission on stuff. And there are always people who will claim that they have the bishops ok on whatever it is they are promoting. Sometimes this comes across in the infamous, “The bishop wants…” (when the bishop had nothing to do with or knowledge of it). Not to mention that there are those who try to pull the wool over a bishop’s eyes to get what they want, those who try to keep him in the dark, those mice who play when the cat’s away, and those who just flat out don’t care - doing whatever they want despite what the bishop might want.

Welcome to the wonderful real world of the Catholic Church and it’'s politics! For this is how things “really work”.
 
Regarding Hilary, herself, well… what do you expect from a suburbanite? 😛
 
Tom317 said:
Except it is an indirect approval of Hillary’s politics.
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Only for those who wish to infer such a thing.

The Cardinal has been quite clear about issues regarding life, both its beginning and its endings.

For anyone to say that he is suddenly ‘pro-choice’ is looking to pick a fight that doesn’t exist.
 
frommi said:
Only for those who wish to infer such a thing.

The Cardinal has been quite clear about issues regarding life, both its beginning and its endings.

For anyone to say that he is suddenly ‘pro-choice’ is looking to pick a fight that doesn’t exist.
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Having an outspoken supporter of abortion speak at a Catholic event gives the impression that the Church is not serious about its oppostion to abortion. Ii suspect had the Bishop been asked before she was invited to speak he would have sai no.
 
estesbob said:
Having an outspoken supporter of abortion speak at a Catholic event gives the impression that the Church is not serious about its oppostion to abortion. Ii suspect had the Bishop been asked before she was invited to speak he would have sai no.
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Is it a “Catholic event”, though? Or simply a fundraising event for a Catholic instituion? There’s always a way to skirt around anything, afterall.
 
frommi said:
Only for those who wish to infer such a thing.

The Cardinal has been quite clear about issues regarding life, both its beginning and its endings.

For anyone to say that he is suddenly ‘pro-choice’ is looking to pick a fight that doesn’t exist.
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I believe the Cardinal is pro-life, and he is a Roman Catholic Cardinal, which means he is mandated to always defend and uphold Church teachings. BY allowing Hillary to talk at a Catholic institution, the good Cardinal has given indirect approval of her politics.
 
chicago said:
Practically speaking, a bishop can neither micromanage all of these things, nor is everyone actively seeking his permission on stuff. And there are always people who will claim that they have the bishops ok on whatever it is they are promoting. Sometimes this comes across in the infamous, “The bishop wants…” (when the bishop had nothing to do with or knowledge of it). Not to mention that there are those who try to pull the wool over a bishop’s eyes to get what they want, those who try to keep him in the dark, those mice who play when the cat’s away, and those who just flat out don’t care - doing whatever they want despite what the bishop might want.

Welcome to the wonderful real world of the Catholic Church and it’'s politics! For this is how things “really work”.
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I agree, yet in this case the Cardinal is said to have approved of her speaking. Now, if that is not true, then the Cardinal’s office should correct the matter because such things do become a public scandal and the Cardinal does need to pay attention to scandals in his diocese.
 
estesbob said:
Having an outspoken supporter of abortion speak at a Catholic event gives the impression that the Church is not serious about its oppostion to abortion. Ii suspect had the Bishop been asked before she was invited to speak he would have sai no.
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I missed when Mrs. Clinton became an ‘outspoken supporter of abortion’…which speech was that where she was declaring that doctors should start tearing into every uterus they could find?

The problem here is that we act like one political act immediately makes any other good a person tries to do completely invalid.

Is Mrs. Clinton’s stand on this issue outside of the stand of the church? Yes it is.

However she is going to speak at Mercy Home…a place which is absolutely pro-life…it gives life to the boys and girls who have nowhere else to go.

What I find vile is that everyone wants to ban any politican who claims to be pro-choice…when in reality most pro-life politicians seem to be pro-life only from conception until birth…at least based on the policies they are proponents of.
 
Tom317 said:
I agree, yet in this case the Cardinal is said to have approved of her speaking. Now, if that is not true, then the Cardinal’s office should correct the matter because such things do become a public scandal and the Cardinal does need to pay attention to scandals in his diocese.
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What we don’t know is what degree of “approval” it was. It’s called spin in order to save face. I don’t think that anyone is really believing that he said, “Oh, yes, why of course! I really respect Senator Clinton and find it a great honor to have her address us. Not a better person could you have chosen.” More likely it was like, “Yeah, Bob, alright. I understand, considering the circumstances. But PLEASE be careful of how this is presented and what she is able to gain from it for political play. I don’t need another mess on my hands with all of these conservative Catholics who will write umpteen letters and give me all kinds of grief. And, for heaven’s sake, in the future THINK a little harder on who you’re inviting, will ya!”

BTW, she wasn’t speaking AT Mercy Home, was she? This was a banquet at a downtown hotel, it appears.
 
frommi said:
I missed when Mrs. Clinton became an ‘outspoken supporter of abortion’…which speech was that where she was declaring that doctors should start tearing into every uterus they could find?

The problem here is that we act like one political act immediately makes any other good a person tries to do completely invalid.

Is Mrs. Clinton’s stand on this issue outside of the stand of the church? Yes it is.

However she is going to speak at Mercy Home…a place which is absolutely pro-life…it gives life to the boys and girls who have nowhere else to go.

What I find vile is that everyone wants to ban any politican who claims to be pro-choice…when in reality most pro-life politicians seem to be pro-life only from conception until birth…at least based on the policies they are proponents of.
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Oh my–you must be the only person in the country that is not aware Hillary is an outspoken supporter of abortion.

As Senator, Clinton opposed the partial birth abortion ban, the Unborn Victims of Violence Act, and headed a campaign, including a petition signed by 58 Senators, to expand destructive embryonic stem cell research. She has a 100% rating from Planned parenthood and NARL.

BTW I see you have now switched to old canard that pro-life people only care about children from conception to birth. The old “better dead that underfed argument”. It is complete and utter nonsnese. The mental mastrubation one must go through to rationalize supporting pro-abortion politicians is a terrible thing to behold.
 
estesbob said:
Oh my–you must be the only person in the country that is not aware Hillary is an outspoken supporter of abortion.

As Senator, Clinton opposed the partial birth abortion ban, the Unborn Victims of Violence Act, and headed a campaign, including a petition signed by 58 Senators, to expand destructive embryonic stem cell research. She has a 100% rating from Planned parenthood and NARL.

BTW I see you have now switched to old canard that pro-life people only care about children from conception to birth. The old “better dead that underfed argument”. It is complete and utter nonsnese. The mental mastrubation one must go through to rationalize supporting pro-abortion politicians is a terrible thing to behold.
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This isn’t about voting for Hillary Clinton…

This is about whether or not she can be a speaker at mercy home.

By the logic in this thread, Pope John Paul II brought confusion to the faithful by sharing the dais with Bill Clinton at World Youth Day in Denver.

Clearly the answer is yes, she can be.

And you know, this whole debate about abortion, stem cells, etc would be a lot more enlightening if people would stop acting like these are EASY decisions for people.

And I never said someone was better dead than underfed…I just pointed out that the partial pro-life stance of so many is problematic.

In a perfect world every child is brought to term and has the necessary support to thrive.

Hilary Clinton being kicked out of a mercy home fundraiser isn’t going to bring us any closer to that hopeful reality.
 
chicago said:
What we don’t know is what degree of “approval” it was. It’s called spin in order to save face. I don’t think that anyone is really believing that he said, “Oh, yes, why of course! I really respect Senator Clinton and find it a great honor to have her address us. Not a better person could you have chosen.” More likely it was like, “Yeah, Bob, alright. I understand, considering the circumstances. But PLEASE be careful of how this is presented and what she is able to gain from it for political play. I don’t need another mess on my hands with all of these conservative Catholics who will write umpteen letters and give me all kinds of grief. And, for heaven’s sake, in the future THINK a little harder on who you’re inviting, will ya!”

BTW, she wasn’t speaking AT Mercy Home, was she? This was a banquet at a downtown hotel, it appears.
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You are just guessing.
 
frommi said:
This isn’t about voting for Hillary Clinton…

This is about whether or not she can be a speaker at mercy home.

By the logic in this thread, Pope John Paul II brought confusion to the faithful by sharing the dais with Bill Clinton at World Youth Day in Denver.

Clearly the answer is yes, she can be.

And you know, this whole debate about abortion, stem cells, etc would be a lot more enlightening if people would stop acting like these are EASY decisions for people.

And I never said someone was better dead than underfed…I just pointed out that the partial pro-life stance of so many is problematic.

In a perfect world every child is brought to term and has the necessary support to thrive.

Hilary Clinton being kicked out of a mercy home fundraiser isn’t going to bring us any closer to that hopeful reality.
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Just about everything Hillary does is about the “08” election.
 
chicago said:
Here’s the latest (and I think a more fair assessment) on the situation and protest:

prolifeaction.org/#clinton
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The critical quote:

The official policy of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops prohibits Catholic institutions from giving honors, awards or platforms to public figures who support abortion. The Church has taught consistently for twenty centuries that abortion is gravely evil.
 
Tom317 said:
The critical quote:

The official policy of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops prohibits Catholic institutions from giving honors, awards or platforms to public figures who support abortion. The Church has taught consistently for twenty centuries that abortion is gravely evil.
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The official policy of the USCCB is for every diocese to submit to a child protection audit and people around here laud Fabian Bruskewitz for ignoring that directive.

Why is this any different?
 
Why the outrage from Catholics…“most” priests and higher-ups in most religions lean so far “left” I’m surprised they can walk and not fall over. Many of you may not want to hear this or maybe not want to understand…the Roman Catholic Religion like most Christian religions have been taken over by Liberal-Socialists…it is very difficult to find parishoners in any church that adhere to The Bible. Does that surprise you. Here is one for you…many Jesuits ( Ignatius Loyola-founder-16th century ) have become died-in-the-wool communists…started in South America in the 1950’s. Many things have gone wrong with all Christians religions…
 
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Republicans are for the death penalty because you need to be able to deter violent crimes…needs to be used more often especially with pedophiles, rapists, child molesters etc. If you read the Old Testament…God was a “war monger”…he told the Israelites to kill everyone who did not want to follow his words and laws…Republicans give thousands of dollars to the poor…I do tax returns every year, I see what people donate…have seen many people give in cash $15,000 - $20000 - $30000 to their churches every year…and yes Democrats especially the politicians are “left” leaning socialists…any group they can support to “buy” a vote that will help tear this county down…they will say or do what they have to to “buy” that vote…to many people in this country have no idea what’s going on…and who is behind it…if you are a Democrat or a Republican take a good hard look at your own party for many of the problems this country has…problem with this country and the world for that matter, we have gotten away from God, The Bible, The Ten Commandments…think about it
 
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