Chicago prelate: Let gay and divorced Catholics take part

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Pulvis said:
Please explain to me how standing fast on the commandments of Almighty God and the teachings of Jesus are considered “unsustainable”.
If the Gospel, the Bible and the comandments are not sustainable, the Christianity is nonexistent. There is no middle ground. There is truth, and there is heresy. Period.
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Doctrine has developed through the ages. To believe that all of truth is fully known to man and there is nothing more to understand is an error.

CCC53 The divine plan of Revelation is realized simultaneously "by deeds and words which are intrinsically bound up with each other"4 and shed light on each another. It involves a specific divine pedagogy: God communicates himself to man gradually. He prepares him to welcome by stages the supernatural Revelation that is to culminate in the person and mission of the incarnate Word, Jesus Christ.

St. Irenaeus of Lyons repeatedly speaks of this divine pedagogy using the image of God and man becoming accustomed to one another: The Word of God dwelt in man and became the Son of man in order to accustom man to perceive God and to accustom God to dwell in man, according to the Father’s pleasure.5
 
Pulvis said:
Please explain to me how standing fast on the commandments of Almighty God and the teachings of Jesus are considered “unsustainable”.
If the Gospel, the Bible and the comandments are not sustainable, the Christianity is nonexistent. There is no middle ground. There is truth, and there is heresy. Period.
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Phil is trying to think outside the box,inside the Church. That is all he is doing and in good faith. The Holy Spirit is creative,you know. And Phil is trying to help.
 
phil19034 said:
Receiving Communion is not the answer. And this is coming from someone who used to not be able to receive.

The change I think will help make people not feel “left out” would be returning the Communion fast to 3 hours (or more).

That way more people will be sitting in the pews (refraining from communion) and less people will feel like “only the mortal sinners miss communion.”

I personally believe this would be the most merciful change, and could have a positive impact with believe in the Real Presence
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That is an innovative proposal.
 
Rau said:
That is an innovative proposal.
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I have to admit that I’m quite receptive to that also because these days we are so ‘gluttonous’ on so many levels of life that a severe requirement of abstinence might be really meaningful to modern people.
 
These Bishops say the most silly things. Saying that to call Holy Matrimony indissoluble is too “juridical” and like “handcuffs” is ridiculous. The word indissoluble is expressing the truth in a single word, if people see it as handcuffs then they need to change their perspective on their marriage. It is absurd that he is praising a sacrilege of the Blessed Sacrament that was condoned by a priest, it isn’t like adultery isn’t a mortal sin anymore.

Of course people that are living lives contrary to Church teaching are going to feel marginalized since the Church is condemning their way of life. The only way to fix that is to make them change their lives or to make them feel comfortable in their sin. This Bishop is advocating for a false mercy.
 
phil19034 said:
Receiving Communion is not the answer. And this is coming from someone who used to not be able to receive.

The change I think will help make people not feel “left out” would be returning the Communion fast to 3 hours (or more).

That way more people will be sitting in the pews (refraining from communion) and less people will feel like “only the mortal sinners miss communion.”

I personally believe this would be the most merciful change, and could have a positive impact with believe in the Real Presence
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When was it changed to an hr? 1964? Did the pews really remain a lot fuller with more people remaining seated back then? I’m thinking back and anytime over the yrs I’ve attended a Catholic Mass in any number of parishes, I don’t recall all that many ever remaining seated. But that’s just been my life experience.
 
Confiteor_Deo said:
These Bishops say the most silly things. Saying that to call Holy Matrimony indissoluble is too “juridical” and like “handcuffs” is ridiculous. The word indissoluble is expressing the truth in a single word, if people see it as handcuffs then they need to change their perspective on their marriage. It is absurd that he is praising a sacrilege of the Blessed Sacrament that was condoned by a priest, it isn’t like adultery isn’t a mortal sin anymore.

Of course people that are living lives contrary to Church teaching are going to feel marginalized since the Church is condemning their way of life. The only way to fix that is to make them change their lives or to make them feel comfortable in their sin. This Bishop is advocating for a false mercy.
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I do not know the Bishops ,and maybe they are just talking pastoral among each other. We hear bits and pieces.,What I know is that priests in turn usually break down the teaching so that one understands.
There are persons who can hardly write and read right here and now on earth.
 
Sy_Noe said:
When was it changed to an hr? 1964? Did the pews really remain a lot fuller with more people remaining seated back then?
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Yup, despite the much longer confessional lines. As a server I saw we seldom had more than two railfuls of communicants in a full church. Now you are practically forced to go; that’s the problem.
 
ProVobis said:
I have yet to see it “closed” to anyone.
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I have. It’s closed to anyone who does not walk in lockstep with the Catholic Church on what the Catholic Church believes is mortal sin, on what the Catholic Church believes it means to be in a state of grace, and it’s closed in those cases even if one discerns the body and believes in transubstantiation.
 
ProVobis said:
Yup, despite the much longer confessional lines. As a server I saw we seldom had more than two railfuls of communicants in a full church. Now you are practically forced to go; that’s the problem.
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I didn’t attend a whole lot before 1964 and I do recall having to wait maybe a bit for confession but not a lot of people remaining in pews during the Eucharist. But that might have just been the parish.
 
Sy_Noe said:
I have. It’s closed to anyone who does not walk in lockstep with the Catholic Church on what the Catholic Church believes is mortal sin, on what the Catholic Church believes it means to be in a state of grace, and it’s closed in those cases even if one discerns the body and believes in transubstantiation.
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In the freedom of the children of God,we are trying to bring in those walking on the roof tops.
Cause we love them.
 
ProVobis said:
Yup, despite the much longer confessional lines. As a server I saw we seldom had more than two railfuls of communicants in a full church. Now you are practically forced to go; that’s the problem.
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That is my recollection too. Now just about everybody gets in line as a matter of routine. It’s “what Catholics do.” I think this practice lessens the solemnity of receiving.
 
I believe this was the same prelate who prohibited his clergy from participating in the 40 Days for Life campaign? Also, he is known to be hostile to traditional Catholic Mass and discipline.
 
graciew said:
In the freedom of the children of God,we are trying to bring in those walking on the roof tops.
Cause we love them.
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I’m sure Catholics believe they do. And I’m also sure Jesus loved them when He said He would turn no one away.
 
Sy_Noe said:
I have. It’s closed to anyone who does not walk in lockstep with the Catholic Church on what the Catholic Church believes is mortal sin
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I was referring to what is actually practiced. Have you ever witnessed someone whom the priest or minister refused communion? Now that I think about it, I actually have but it had nothing to do with their marital state or abortion or anything like that.
 
Sy_Noe said:
I’m sure Catholics believe they do. And I’m also sure Jesus loved them when He said He would turn no one away./QUOTE-

Sy,we turn away. It is me who turns away.
How can I blame it on Jesus when I walk away?
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OriginalJS said:
That is my recollection too. Now just about everybody gets in line as a matter of routine. It’s “what Catholics do.” I think this practice lessens the solemnity of receiving.
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The whole concept of sacrilege seems to have been lost. It used to be a sacrilege just for any laity to handle communion or for the servers to touch the plating of the paten. Now with the right permissions, you can forget the paten altogether, among other things.
 
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