Chicago 'womanpriest' will not be buried in Catholic cemetery

[Eric_Hilbert]

Remain on topic.
Stop with the personal attacks.

 

[LittleSoldier]

Well, I DO see grave inconsistencies there, and as I say I would love to hold a rational conversation about it, free from emotional attacks and others trying to attribute words to me which I have never said, nor implied.

Priesthood is a specific call to service, and we do hope that those who seek it are responding to a call to serve in a ministerial-priestly way and not lusting after power. I suppose when it comes down to it, there are women who sense an interior call to serve the Church by being sacramentally more configured to the image of Christ, to celebrate the Eucharist as priest, to offer the absolution of Christ to penitents, to administer the Sacraments to the sick and bring healing comfort in their last hours, to proclaim the Gospel at mass and to preach, etc. Basically, to be “stewards of the treasury of the Church and its mysteries.”

In the case of the woman who passed, she sensed a call to this service, and this service was validated by a community of faithful, just not the RCC. How painful and ironic it must have been for her to live most authentically, and yet separated from the Church and traditions that she probably loved. The Holy Spirit was probably speaking to the world through her in this capacity, yet in a very real sense the Church “aborted” her priestly vocation, as it has countless others, including a Doctor of the Church.

How similar it is for us to pray “send us children, but they have to be healthy, and look like us, and arrive on our schedule, and, and…” and also “send us priests, but they have to be male, and be unmarried, and be straight, and be psychologically perfect, and be capable of getting a Master’s degree, and, and…”! I think our “culture of death” has extended to not only procreation but to Church vocations and we are too stubborn to realize it or admit it.

So are you saying she was a modern “Jeanne d’Arc”?

God does not call women to the priesthood.

She was not called by God to the priesthood. She may have thought she was called to the priesthood but she was not. Her “service” was not validated by the faithful of the Catholic Church; if anything, her confusion was validated by other confused people. If she had really loved the Traditions of the Church she would have accepted the importance of those Traditions and would have realized she was mistaken about her calling.

The Church allows homosexuals to become priests. They are to take a vow of chastity and celibacy, just like non-homosexual priests and I believe they cannot be involved in “gay rights” activities but I could be wrong about that. That deserves its own thread, anyway.

The Church allows married men to become priests in specific circumstances. I’m surprised you didn’t know this.

The Church “aborted” her priestly vocation? Wow, let’s mix up some topics here. Why didn’t the Church use NFP?

When my son was born he had an Apgar rating of one. In case anyone does not know what that means, it means he was almost dead. In fact, he wasn’t breathing and had no pulse. Do you really think I ever prayed for a child who would look like me and arrive on schedule? Of course I prayed that he would be healthy; I pray that you are healthy, too. But I didn’t give a damn about him looking like me and/or arriving on schedule.

Catholics are not as shallow as you appear to think.

 

[1holycatholic]

Women and the Priesthood — Why “only boys can be the daddies”

• Peter Kreeft

 

[Stylites]

How painful and ironic it must have been for her to live most authentically, . . .

There’s a stretch. Supposedly, thieves are being “authentic” when they revel in their thievery.

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[Soutane]

Well, I DO see grave inconsistencies there, and as I say I would love to hold a rational conversation about it, free from emotional attacks and others trying to attribute words to me which I have never said, nor implied.

Priesthood is a specific call to service, and we do hope that those who seek it are responding to a call to serve in a ministerial-priestly way and not lusting after power. I suppose when it comes down to it, there are women who sense an interior call to serve the Church by being sacramentally more configured to the image of Christ, to celebrate the Eucharist as priest, to offer the absolution of Christ to penitents, to administer the Sacraments to the sick and bring healing comfort in their last hours, to proclaim the Gospel at mass and to preach, etc. Basically, to be “stewards of the treasury of the Church and its mysteries.”

In the case of the woman who passed, she sensed a call to this service, and this service was validated by a community of faithful, just not the RCC. How painful and ironic it must have been for her to live most authentically, and yet separated from the Church and traditions that she probably loved. The Holy Spirit was probably speaking to the world through her in this capacity, yet in a very real sense the Church “aborted” her priestly vocation, as it has countless others, including a Doctor of the Church.

How similar it is for us to pray “send us children, but they have to be healthy, and look like us, and arrive on our schedule, and, and…” and also “send us priests, but they have to be male, and be unmarried, and be straight, and be psychologically perfect, and be capable of getting a Master’s degree, and, and…”! I think our “culture of death” has extended to not only procreation but to Church vocations and we are too stubborn to realize it or admit it.

Pope John Paul the Great spoke infallibly on this subject.It is not POSSIBLE to ordain women.Period.End of discussion.Rome speaks-we obey.The Catholic Church is NOT a democracy and subject to changes in fashion.She is Divine and Eternal and as the Pope INFALLIBLY stated we do not have the authority to ordain females.Period.Why do people keep making this non-arguement-you might as well say the sky is pink.It doesn’t and will not change things.As Catholics we are called to humility and obedience.It has absolutely NOTHING to do with the way you “feel”.

 

[Soutane]

This woman was not “ordained”,she masqueraded as a priest and had a genital same sex relationship and people call the church names because they refuse her burial in a Catholic cemetary.She was publicly obstinate in her sin,had the opportunity to repent and refused to do so.Anyone publicly obstinate in sin from mafioso types to pretend priestesses are to be denied burial in a Catholic Cemetary.Abuses have happened in the past but are rare today.Several years ago a mafia chieftan from Hamilton Ontario Canada was denied these same burial accommodations.We’re adults we make choices we must live and die by them.

 

[pnewton]

Women and the Priesthood — Why “only boys can be the daddies”

• Peter Kreeft

This is the best I have heard on the topic.

 

[Pilgrimage]

The purpose of the Church is not to make everyone “feel good”, its not to make everyone feel like they are not left out-its to lead us to salvation. .

Jesus gave Peter an instruction to ‘look after’ His sheep and lambs.

It’s the church’s duty to tend and care for its flock as well as feed it. I will pray for you, that God gives all of you a deeper understanding of His work when I am with any elderly Catholics, who couldn’t care less who I am, just that I love them as Jesus teaches us to.

God bless

 

[Pilgrimage]

God decides what our calling will be and He does so out of love. Women are not called to be priests. I know you don’t like this but it is true. This is Church teaching and Jesus said the gates of hell shall not prevail against His Church. Jesus did not lie, even if it would make you feel better about yourself if He had.
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Yes, ‘God’ decides and all callings are subjective to the individuals. God calls people to many things in many ways and all things to all people are not listed, even the Bible tells us that.

God bless

As I said, becareful of the well you drink from, it is Jesus who is the living waters. Jesus put Peter firmly behind Him.

Jesus is love :grouphug:
He is Spirit.
The Holy Spirit works through any vessels of His choosing, male or female.
Jesus looks at women through God’s eyes.
Man looks at women through the eyes of men.
God is love :grouphug:

Even on my male servants and female servants in those days I will pour out my Spirit, and they shall prophesy. (Acts 2:18)

 

[Soutane]

Yes, ‘God’ decides and all callings are subjective to the individuals. God calls people to many things in many ways and all things to all people are not listed, even the Bible tells us that.

God bless

As I said, becareful of the well you drink from, it is Jesus who is the living waters. Jesus put Peter firmly behind Him.

Jesus is love :grouphug:
He is Spirit.
The Holy Spirit works through any vessels of His choosing, male or female.
Jesus looks at women through God’s eyes.
Man looks at women through the eyes of men.
God is love :grouphug:

Even on my male servants and female servants in those days I will pour out my Spirit, and they shall prophesy. (Acts 2:18)

The Pope doesn’t speak for the Cof E,nor should you presume to speak for us.The Successor of Peter the Servant of the Servants of God the late Great Pope John Paul II has spoken infallibly on the subject and the answer is NO to the ordination of women.Period.End of discussion.I think you have more than a few problems within your own Eclaisial Body to be concerned with.

 

[Soutane]

This is the best I have heard on the topic.

Thanks for that:thumbsup:

 

[Pilgrimage]

Kimmie,

Yes, the woman was a practicing lesbian, but that’s beside the point. My response was to the notion that any woman who would celebrate Mass “in persona Christi” is an image of “liturgical lesbianism” - that somehow the priest cannot be a woman because women can only image brides, and there would be a bride-bride marital relationship somehow in the mass.

On that premise, one could say that it’s the image of ‘liturgical homosexuality’ now, because the priest is standing in Christ’s image. Which would be a nonsense.

The church is His ‘body’ here on earth and that is made up of both men and women, not just men. Peter is commissioned to shepherd the flock and feed it, to be a rock of faith in love to Christ.

We are ‘all’ called to be the image of Christ here on earth through the power of His Holy Spirit. Because in being so we are a light for others to follow to Christ’s love and salvation.

God bless

 

[Pilgrimage]

So, tell me, are you questioning the Trinity too? I mean, IT is a mystery. So surely you’re wondering if God can’t really be a Quartet. I mean, sure the Church has TOLD us God is a Trinity, but after all, we NEED to QUESTION AUTHORITY. . .

If you aren’t questioning the Trinity, then I ‘question’ just exactly why you’re questioning the Church teaching on priesthood. . .

If the church teaches Trinitarian, then it shouldn’t practice quartet, because the Holy Spirit has no sex and has the power to work through anyone in anyway what so ever, regardless of whether they are male or female. To think otherwise would be to limit God’s work.

The Bible teaches us that it’s the lessons Peter learned in humility that qualified him to be commissioned with the task of looking after and feeding **The Lord’s **sheep. He is not supposed to carry on watching his flocks in darkness !

God bless

 

[Pilgrimage]

The Successor of Peter the Servant of the Servants of God the late Great Pope John Paul II has spoken infallibly on the subject and the answer is NO to the ordination of women.Period.End of discussion.

All life is ‘word’ and only God’s Word has an infallibility. In the Word of God He does not say that Peter is infallible, he is far from it. Before Jesus died He made a point of helping Peter to see that he is not God, just in case there came a time when men begin to ***think ***that he is infallible.

I am a part of Christ’s body, a body does not function fully without all its parts. The drink that nourishes the stomach, hands and feet etc…feeds the brain too!

"The body is a unit, though it is made up of many parts; and though all its parts are many, they form one body. So it is with Christ. For we were all baptized by[c] one Spirit into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, slave or free—and we were all given the one Spirit to drink. " 1 Corinthians 12: 12-13

God bless

 

[Soutane]

All life is ‘word’ and only God’s Word has an infallibility. In the Word of God He does not say that Peter is infallible, he is far from it. Before Jesus died He made a point of helping Peter to see that he is not God, just in case there came a time when men begin to ***think ***that he is infallible.

I am a part of Christ’s body, a body does not function fully without all its parts. The drink that nourishes the stomach, hands and feet etc…feeds the brain too!

"The body is a unit, though it is made up of many parts; and though all its parts are many, they form one body. So it is with Christ. For we were all baptized by[c] one Spirit into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, slave or free—and we were all given the one Spirit to drink. " 1 Corinthians 12: 12-13

God bless

Your own Eclaisial body is falling apart world wide and you have the nerve to lecture us on how we run our Church.Our Divine Institution has the guarantee of Christ Who instituted It that the Gates of Hell will never prevail against Her.

I believe yours was started some 500 years ago by a disobedient Catholic who happened to be an earthly King.You have NO apostolic succession ergo no voice in our affairs.

 

[Pilgrimage]

CB: The teachings of the Church can be deepened, but never changed. I likewise have seen many years, and studied many things, and I see nothing in what you quoted re your studies of theology of the body, etc. which would cause me to question the teaching of the Church regarding the nature of the priesthood. The priesthood is not something to be sought for power, but is a calling to service. Historically speaking, women have always been doing service ANYWAY, whereas for men it is considered something that is from the ‘worldly view’ anyway to be a ‘lesser’ thing to engage in service. So why are women looking for the priesthood when they already have ‘more’ opportunities for service than men?

Maybe God wants to place them there, ‘because’ men have not been hearing His call to a humble service. Have you not considered this? Why would women feel that they are being called otherwise?

Open your eyes, this male dominated world has allowed the sacrament of marriage to be eroded away, already the day of rest has been lost to whole nations, children are being slaughtered before they are born at the hands of another male dominated world, children are being actively educated against God’s grace and salvation with the blessings of governments, governmental leaders in a male dominated world are making laws upon laws whilst they are guided in their own corrosive behvaiours, father’s are leaving homes and fathering children outside marriage with no feelings of responsibility, and because of this children have lost and are losing respect for fatherhood and the male voice.

At this present time the all male priesthood has been under attack for sexual improprieties on an unprecedented scale. Men, especially, are audaciously blaspheming Christ right across the Internet and causing young men to do so verbally in public places. Men are also indulging in explosive sexual orgies of the mind on a scale never encompassed before, which is belittling to women and dangerous to children.

For too many unsaved souls priesthood is not a guiding light to Christ anymore. Given our circumstances, it’s foolish to think that a woman priest can’t guide this lost and self indulgent generation by the power of God’s Holy Spirit in a way He has called her to do so. If God choses to give her the authority to do so, He will.

We all know that His standards are in purity and sacrifice, not the sex of the vessels He choses. It’s because churches are standing up for the ‘wrong’ thing ie male dominance, that overt homosexuality, pedophilia, baby slaughter, corruption etc is creeping in.

My friends, this is about God’s love for this sinful and corrupt world.

God bless

 

[SunnaB16]

Maybe God wants to place them there, ‘because’ men have not been hearing His call to a humble service. Have you not considered this? Why would women feel that they are being called otherwise?

Open your eyes, this male dominated world has allowed the sacrament of marriage to be eroded away, already the day of rest has been lost to whole nations, children are being slaughtered before they are born at the hands of another male dominated world, children are being actively educated against God’s grace and salvation with the blessings of governments, governmental leaders in a male dominated world are making laws upon laws whilst they are guided in their own corrosive behvaiours, father’s are leaving homes and fathering children outside marriage with no feelings of responsibility, and because of this children have lost and are losing respect for fatherhood and the male voice.

At this present time the all male priesthood has been under attack for sexual improprieties on an unprecedented scale. Men, especially, are audaciously blaspheming Christ right across the Internet and causing young men to do so verbally in public places. Men are also indulging in explosive sexual orgies of the mind on a scale never encompassed before, which is belittling to women and dangerous to children.

For too many unsaved souls priesthood is not a guiding light to Christ anymore. Given our circumstances, it’s foolish to think that a woman priest can’t guide this lost and self indulgent generation by the power of God’s Holy Spirit in a way He has called her to do so. If God choses to give her the authority to do so, He will.

We all know that His standards are in purity and sacrifice, not the sex of the vessels He choses. It’s because churches are standing up for the ‘wrong’ thing ie male dominance, that overt homosexuality, pedophilia, baby slaughter, corruption etc is creeping in.

My friends, this is about God’s love for this sinful and corrupt world.

God bless

If at first…

Another link:
www.catholic.com/thisrock/1997/9710fea2.asp

You`re flogging a dead horse, and not thinking with the mind of the Holy Spirit-guided Church.

Among other things, the Church is the Bride of Christ.
Through the Mass and the Sacraments, Christ the Bridegroom gives Life to His Bride.
The priest takes the part of the Bridegroom.
***Theres the Marital imagery.*** A woman CANNOT take the part of the Bridegroom. Apart from the fact that womens “ordination” is invalid, at least one speaker has pointed out that the “marital” “union” between a “priestess” and the Bride would be liturgical lesbianism.
Read Ephesians 5:25-32 (or 5:21-33).

The “Roman Catholic Womenpriests” claim that there were priestesses early on: there were, too, but only in the heretical Gnostic sects.

Its no good claiming that Our Lords actions were limited by the customs of His time: the pagan religions had priestesses, along with their godesses. The modern day “womenpriests” have embraced paganism to an extent; and a lot of their verbal and printed output is proof of that.

Blaspheming Christ includes actively pushing for women`s “ordination”.

“…this male dominated world…” A sick myth.
“It takes two to tango”: many women are involved in pornography, marriage breakups, ABORTION, and the rest. Have you heard the vile language some women use?

The whole post sounds like a radical feminist advertisement.
Try examining women`s own contribution to the corruption and decadence of the West.

 

[Tantum_ergo]

I’m a woman, and an older one at that (53). I think that my generation and the ones preceding and following (women) have at least as much to blame in themselves as in men when it comes to the hideous crimes of the last century, especially abortion. For while it is often (not always, but often) true that men ‘pressure’ women to abort, there are often (not always, but often) as many women who freely, and while not ‘gladly’, at least with purportedly no ‘qualms, shame, guilt, or regret’ CHOOSE to abort their infants, even when the ‘male’ is willing to help or even completely take responsibility, even when the woman is perfectly physically and emotionally ‘healthy’, even when she is offered free lodging, jobs, etc. by those who would adopt the child.

Not to mention that while it is true that some men are shamefully raping and prostituting unwilling women, there are still ‘willing’ women who have convinced themselves that they ‘enjoy’ being prostitutes; women who lie about rape, etc. The number is small but it is not 'insignificant.

So don’t give me the ‘male dominated’ line. I’ve seen what women have done in the last 50 years. While much is good, much is absolutely awful. And while the ‘nasty male dominant’ world had much awfulness as well, there was good THERE too. . .I’m not sure that the ‘exchange’ we have made and continue to ‘progress’ through is all that wonderful. . .

 

[fkjuliano]

As I said, becareful of the well you drink from, it is Jesus who is the living waters. Jesus put Peter firmly behind Him.

Jesus is love:heart:
He is Spirit.
The Holy Spirit works through any vessels of His choosing, male or female.
Jesus looks at women through God’s eyes.
Man looks at women through the eyes of men.
God is love:heart:

Even on my male servants and female servants in those days I will pour out my Spirit, and they shall prophesy. (Acts 2:18)

God bless

Please refer to the first line.

Your little poem, which you keep repeating as if it were a prayer, has no relevance to the topic.

Let’s look at it line by line.

Jesus is Love

That is true, though there is more to Jesus than love. He is also the personification of truth, wisdom and authority, not just love and compassion.

He is Spirit

He may be Spirit, but He did ascend to Heaven in His risen, glorified body. Therefore, He is both spirit and flesh.

The Holy Spirit works through any vessels of His choosing, male or female

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He sure does. He touches every faithful Christian who stands ready to serve God. But for some reason you assume that being touched by the Holy Spirit must mean to be a priest. It can also mean being a mother, a father, a nun, a monk, a deacon, a lay celibate, etc. Allow me to point out that when you say the Catholic Church should allow female priests because women are called to the priesthood by the Holy Spirit, you demonstrate faulty thinking. Namely, you are assuming your conclusion. If you hope to convince anyone, you should offer evidence that women really are being called to the priesthood by the Holy Spirit, not present that as the premise of your argument.

Jesus looks at women through God’s eyes.

No doubt. And, though he always treated women with the greatest respect and compassion, he never chose one for the priesthood during his 33 years on the Earth.

Man looks at women through the eyes of men.

That is obviously true, since all human beings can only look at anything through their own eyes. For instance, you look at the Catholic Church through the eyes of an Anglican with a secular bend.

God is Love

Please refer to the first line.

Even on my male servants and female servants in those days I will pour out my Spirit, and they shall prophesy. (Acts 2:18)

For some weird reason, you think “servant” is synonymous with priest; we believe all the faithful are servants of God. Some do prophesy. See Saint Faustina for an example.

I hope this will help your thinking become a little less muddled. We will pray for you.

 

[fkjuliano]

Who should we be to condemn the actions of one man because of his desires, there but for the Grace of God go a large percentage of the Catholic Church too and many a man all over the world.

The Queen is devout and had served the country and The Lord well, just as she was crowned to do so at a very young age and unexpectedly.

God bless

We need be no one, for it is Our Lord Jesus Christ who condemns.

[BIBLEDRB]Matthew 19:3-9[/BIBLEDRB]

Just the other day, I was thinking about this passage and I became incredulous that any church that calls itself Christian would celebrate the type of “marriage” where a man forsakes a perfectly good and faithful wife in order to “wed” a younger, prettier woman. How dare they when Scripture is so clear? For that alone, if for no other reason, we see that the Catholic Church is, has been and ever shall be the only true Church of Jesus Christ.

Incidentally, it is only fair to remind you (Pilgrimage) that the Anglican Church was started precisely to allow a cruel and greedy tyrant to leave his rightful wife and marry a young hussy. That is yet another reason why you should lay aside your pride and your prejudices and come home to the Catholic Church. Then you will be able to partake of Holy Communion, incidentally.