Chief Rabbinate of Israel break ties to Vatican

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The Chief Rabbinate of Israel broke off official ties with the Vatican indefinitely on Tuesday in protest over the Pope’s decision to reinstate a known Holocaust denier.
Jewish world outraged at Pope’s decision to reinstate bishop who is a holocaust denier
The Chief Rabbinate also cancelled a meeting scheduled for March 2-4 in Rome with the Holy See’s Commission for Religious Relations with the Jews.
In a letter to the commission’s chairman, Cardinal Walter Kasper, Chief Rabbinate Director-General Oded Weiner wrote that 'without a public apology and recanting, it will be difficult to continue the dialogue.
Meh maybe this is best in the long run, while sad. I think the Holy Father is doing what is best for the Church and not for the love of the World.
 
Obviously we should treat everyone with not just basic human respect, but divine charity and mercy. It seems to me, the Jews want this to be extended by us to them, but not to other poor sinners who offend them. We can’t be afraid “for fear of the Jews” (John 7:13) to love as Christ commands us–we need to continue to extend the charity of Jesus to Jews even if some complain, but we also need to extend it to others, even if some Jews complain.
 
Another bridge built by Pope John Paul II built, that Pope Benedict has burned.

God have mercy on us.

Jim
 
Another bridge built by Pope John Paul II built, that Pope Benedict has burned.

God have mercy on us.

Jim
Not that I think it is actually burned, but if it is, what is lost? Did the “bridge” accomplish anything of value? Jews did not seem to cross the bridge very often if at all, in fact, sadly the impression was given that it need not be crossed (those Jews I have known who have converted would have done so anyway and actually are dismayed by a lack of encouragement given to others to do the same).

Perhaps, just perhaps, it was these vocal Jewish leaders who burned the bridge themselves by constantly taking offense at our religion and how it is practiced and professed. In fact, it is they who are cancelling these meetings (which don’t seem to accomplish anything of substance anyway).

I am sure John Paul II had the best of intentions, but the fact is, little fruit has been born–Jewish leaders seem no closer to believing Jesus is the Messiah despite all the magnanimous gestures–and if we don’t care about that, then we have lost our first love. All that has been produced by those well-intentioned effors are complaints from Jews and religious indifferentism from Catholics.

St. Paul said “woe to me if I do not preach the Gospel” not “woe to me if a handful of vocal Jews complain about me or are offended by what I do.” The fact is, a father showing mercy to one of his wayward sons is simply preaching of the Gospel with deeds. It was just such mercy and association with sinners that earned Our Blessed Lord the wrath of the Pharisees.

Anyway, I am sure the Holy Father will handle their complaints in Christian manner.
 
Another bridge built by Pope John Paul II built, that Pope Benedict has burned.

God have mercy on us.

Jim
The Jews have no right to complain about this. They have the ‘poor me’ mentality and they expect everyone to bow down to them. Maybe Bishop Williamson is wrong about the holacaust but the fact is that the unity of the Church is more important than whether a bishop has offended the Jews.

6 million Jews were killed in the Holacaust. Tens of millions of Chinese were killed by Mau. Tens of millions of Russians were killed by Stalin. Where are the memorials of these people? The Jews are not the only people who have been persecuted in history. They need to get over the past and live their lives.
 
Another bridge built by Pope John Paul II built, that Pope Benedict has burned.

God have mercy on us.

Jim
I think you’re really overreacting. Surely you can see that this Bishop Williamson’s conspiracy theories are incidental to the Pope’s decision to lift the excommunication for the SSPX? It doesn’t mean that the Pope shares his views about the Holocaust; or 9/11 for that matter.

When he speaks about the Holocaust he’s also operating outside of his expertise as a bishop, obviously; you might as well ask him if he believes in the lost continent of Atlantis.
 
I am trying very hard to take the charitable view that the Chief Rabbinate are people of fundamentally good will who simply do not know what they are talking about.

They should either learn something about the papal power to lift excommunication, and why it was exercised in this case, or stick to their own religion and let the Holy Father practice his.
 
Benedict said Wednesday he had lifted the excommunication because the bishops had “repeatedly shown their deep suffering over the situation.”

Can someone show me where they did this? I have only seen them stating they are right and the church is wrong.
 
Another bridge built by Pope John Paul II built, that Pope Benedict has burned.

God have mercy on us.

Jim
I have to agree with the other posters in wondering what good this “bridge” ever did in the first place. Certainly we must respect the conscience of others in matters of faith, but if we dialogue simply for the sake of dialogue, then the Church loses sight of her mission which is to proclaim Jesus Christ. In any case, it is not Benedict who is burning bridges. He is being a shephard to his people, while still being committed to true ecumenism and good relations with other faiths. As the title of the OP says, it is the Chief Rabbinate of Isreal who broke ties to the Vatican, not the other way around. God bless!
 
Benedict said Wednesday he had lifted the excommunication because the bishops had “repeatedly shown their deep suffering over the situation.”

Can someone show me where they did this? I have only seen them stating they are right and the church is wrong.
They never said that “they were right and the Church was wrong”. They simply decried the abuses and innovations that have taken place over the years, many times in the name of the Church. And of course being in an irregular situation with Rome would cause them emotional and spiritual suffering…they are Roman Catholics. Besides, it is for His Holiness to decide their sincerity, not us. God bless!
 
Perhaps the problem is that the only information they are getting about this situation is from the anti-Catholic media. After all, the “Pope pardons Holocaust denier” spin is the angle they all seem to be taking.
 
They never said that “they were right and the Church was wrong”. They simply decried the abuses and innovations that have taken place over the years, many times in the name of the Church. And of course being in an irregular situation with Rome would cause them emotional and spiritual suffering…they are Roman Catholics. Besides, it is for His Holiness to decide their sincerity, not us. God bless!
Out of the horses mouth: between the Romans(the catholic church) and the church (SPPX)

sspx.ca/Documents/Bishop-Williamson/August9-2003.htm

Where do you see sorrow?
 
Another bridge built by Pope John Paul II built, that Pope Benedict has burned.

God have mercy on us.

Jim
He wasn’t excommunicated because of his malicious idiocy on the subject of the Holocaust.He was excommunicated as he was a Bishop installed by Lefebre.If the Pope were to excommunicate on the basis of perceived stupidity we would have a much smaller Church.

Sometimes I think that the Jews look for things to be outraged about.He is a pathetic stupid old man.Let it go.
 
Out of the horses mouth: between the Romans(the catholic church) and the church (SPPX)

sspx.ca/Documents/Bishop-Williamson/August9-2003.htm

Where do you see sorrow?
When Bishop Williamson speaks of “the Romans” he is not talking about the Church, but the authorities in Rome. They are not synonymous. The SSPX in no way believes they are the Church and Bishop Fellay has said as much on numerous occations. I personally do not care for Bishop Williamson and he has probably been the most outspoken and critical of the four bishops these past 20 years. The Bishops have been in dialogue with Rome for quite a while and I think His Holiness knows what he is doing. When the SSPX becomes fully regularized, it will certainly be for the greater good of the Church. God bless!
 
He wasn’t excommunicated because of his malicious idiocy on the subject of the Holocaust.He was excommunicated as he was a Bishop installed by Lefebre.If the Pope were to excommunicate on the basis of perceived stupidity we would have a much smaller Church.

Sometimes I think that the Jews look for things to be outraged about.He is a pathetic stupid old man.Let it go.
The Jews have a concept not important to Christians and that is memory. Now when I say that you probably think of WWII, when a Jew thinks that he thinks everything that happened back to Egypt. They have a very good reason to be afraid of the Catholic church. Look what the church did to the Jews in Poland, France, Spain, Rome, Russia… ect ect. Even our Councils came out against them and said they should wear a mark. They have been attacked constantly throughout history by Christians, Pagans and Muslims. So yeah I think they have a right to be a little jumpy from a guy who was a nazi youth (yes he was forced) but I would still be a little afraid when he keeps pushing many things perceived by the Jews as dangerous to there health.
 
Speaking at his Wednesday audience, Benedict reiterated his full support for his ‘‘Jewish brothers’’ and said the Holocaust must not be denied because ‘‘the memory of the Shoah regenerates our humanity and helps us reflect on the unexpected power which evil can exert on the hearts of man’’. The importance of the Shoah, the German-born pope added, ‘‘cannot be denied nor diminished because violence committed against even one man is violence against all men’’.

The director general of the Chief Rabbinate, Oded Wiener, later told ANSA that the pope’s words were ‘‘a great step forwards in resolving this question’’. ‘‘His statements were very important for us and for the whole world,’’ he added.

Wiener said that no decision had yet been made on whether the Rabbinate would send a representative to a March 2-4 meeting in Rome with the Catholic Church’s Commission for Religious Relations with Jews.

Initially it had been decided to cancel the meeting, but this was before the pope’s words on the Shoah, he added.

ansa.it/site/notizie/awnplus/english/news/2009-01-28_128312585.html

Looks like things are calming down.
 
The Jews have a concept not important to Christians and that is memory. Now when I say that you probably think of WWII, when a Jew thinks that he thinks everything that happened back to Egypt. They have a very good reason to be afraid of the Catholic church. Look what the church did to the Jews in Poland, France, Spain, Rome, Russia… ect ect. Even our Councils came out against them and said they should wear a mark. They have been attacked constantly throughout history by Christians, Pagans and Muslims. So yeah I think they have a right to be a little jumpy from a guy who was a nazi youth (yes he was forced) but I would still be a little afraid when he keeps pushing many things perceived by the Jews as dangerous to there health.
So for the rest of history I should defer to Jews in all things,especially with regard to my Faith and the practise thereof?Give your head a shake.The problem that the Jews have is that they think they are unique.The only thing that makes them truly unique is that God Chose them to introduce Himself to the world.
 
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