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marian_love
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I actually quit my job at JC Penneys over my moral beliefs. I felt conviction from God to do it…a month later was when they released the gay mom catalogue photo.
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marian_love
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BTW…today is Chik Fil A Appreciation Day…heard it last night on the radio.
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FloridaJoan
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I think Mr Cathy’s words say a lot " … thank the Lord, we live in a country where we can share our values and operate on biblical principles . " Unfortunately, many do not stop and read but make up their minds and condemn on erratic information. How does supporting traditional family values automatically translate into hating gays ? How sad our behavior has become . Are we SO pitted against each other ? How very sad.
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Roselle
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Michelle Malkin’s article today is on the comments Boston’s mayor said about Chik- fil-A, not wanting the firm to have franchises in Boston. I thought it a good read.
“Hey, Boston: Leave Chick-fil-A alone”
michellemalkin.com/2012/07/25/hey-boston-leave-chick-fil-a-alone/
“Hey, Boston: Leave Chick-fil-A alone”
michellemalkin.com/2012/07/25/hey-boston-leave-chick-fil-a-alone/
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Seeker1961
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Boston’s mayor is wrong on this one. Let them open and let the market determine whether or not the franchises succeed.
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Corki
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I kind of wonder if this is a hoax. I looked up several articles and they all show pictures of the “recal poster” from a Facebook page, not from any store or CFA source. The Chick-fil-A website mentions nothing about a toy recall which you were certainly expect if there was ANY chance of a safety concern. I don’t think that Muppets are even the current toy. I have been in CFA several times this month and the kids stuff is all little books and a push for summer reading. Even the wording on the “recall” is weird, “… there have been some reports of children getting their fingers stuck in the holes of the puppets.”I agree this is a head scratcher, I would say there is more to this story though than just Chik-Fil-A “lying” though.
Half of the wacky comments on their facebook page are screaming about how Christians are liars and biggots and haters…it’s really ridiculous.
oh, and welcome home Seeker
But, I’ll be there for lunch and check it out.
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Seeker1961
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Yes, we are. It is no longer OK to agree to disagree, to understand that in a country the size of ours there are going to be people who do not think as you do. We have stopped seeing the value of others simply in the fact that we share a common humanity, or in the case of America a common citizenship. Instead, the first thing we want to know is if they are members of the “right” club and believe the “right” things.I think Mr Cathy’s words say a lot " … thank the Lord, we live in a country where we can share our values and operate on biblical principles . " Unfortunately, many do not stop and read but make up their minds and condemn on erratic information. How does supporting traditional family values automatically translate into hating gays ? How sad our behavior has become . **Are we SO pitted against each other ? ** How very sad.
In the case of Christians, I think this means that we are the ones who need to do the work first. We are the ones who are called to view everyone as having dignity and worth simply because they are created in the image and likeness of God. There is nothing in the Gospels where Jesus says “Love one another-as long as they agree with you”. We are to love FIRST, then hopefully showing our love and compassion will lead the person to find the source of that love for themselves-which will lead to a changed life.
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Patavium
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estesbob
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Affirming homosexual marriage is not an act of love. You don’t lead people to Christ by affirming, ignoring or minimizing grevious sin.
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FloridaJoan
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HE did say " Take up your cross and follow me. " Looks like some may be presented with the opportunity to either do just that; OR for others, to deline His offer.
Lord, give me grace and increase my faith.
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Seeker1961
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If you’re serious about leading people to the church so that their lives are changed-wouldn’t it make more sense to show them the love FIRST and then when Jesus has gotten a foothold in their hearts and softened them, they will be ready to change their behavior.
We are REALLY good at articulating what everyone else is doing wrong, but we seem to have lost our touch for showing those people WHY they should change their behavior. You have to give them something else that will bring real joy into their lives to replace the momentary pleasure of the sin.
The goal for me is not to be the best at articulating church teaching, the goal for me is to give the most people a reason to come to Christ.
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What did you find out?I kind of wonder if this is a hoax. I looked up several articles and they all show pictures of the “recal poster” from a Facebook page, not from any store or CFA source. The Chick-fil-A website mentions nothing about a toy recall which you were certainly expect if there was ANY chance of a safety concern. I don’t think that Muppets are even the current toy. I have been in CFA several times this month and the kids stuff is all little books and a push for summer reading. Even the wording on the “recall” is weird, “… there have been some reports of children getting their fingers stuck in the holes of the puppets.”
But, I’ll be there for lunch and check it out.
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_Abyssinia
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Chicago Alderman: No Building Permits For Chick-Fil-A
A Chicago alderman wants to kill Chick-fil-A’s plans to build a restaurant in his increasingly trendy Northwest Side ward because the fast-food chain’s top executive vocally opposes gay marriage
Ald.Proco “Joe” Moreno announced this week that he will block Chick-fil-A’s effort to build its second Chicago store, which would be in the Logan Square neighborhood, following company President Dan Cathy’s remarks last week that he was “guilty as charged” for supporting the biblical definition of marriage as between a man and woman
“If you are discriminating against a segment of the community, I don’t want you in the 1st Ward,” Moreno told the Tribune on Tuesday.
Moreno stated his position in strong terms, referring to Cathy’s “bigoted, homophobic comments” in a proposed opinion page piece that an aide also sent to Tribune reporters. “Because of this man’s ignorance, I will now be denying Chick-fil-A’s permit to open a restaurant in the 1st Ward”
The alderman has the ideological support of Mayor Rahm Emanuel.
“Chick-fil-A values are not Chicago values,” the mayor said in a statement when asked about Moreno’s decision. “They disrespect our fellow neighbors and residents. This would be a bad investment, since it would be empty”
Moreno is relying on a rarely violated Chicago tradition known as aldermanic privilege, which dictates that City Council members defer to the opinion of the ward alderman on local issues. Last year Moreno wielded that weapon to block plans for aWal-Martin his ward, saying he had issues with the property owner and thatWal-Martwas not “a perfect fit for the area”
Chick-fil-A already has obtained zoning for a restaurant in the 2500 block of North Elston Avenue, but it must seek council approval to divide the land so it can purchase an out lot near Home Depot, Moreno said
In opposing Chick-fil-A, Moreno stakes out a position likely to resonate in his hipster ward and much of the rest of the city, where public officials have long cultivated the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender community. But Moreno also enters the complex intersection of property and free-speech rights
Moreno gets one thing absolutely wrong here. There’s absolutely no evidence that Chick-fil-A or its franchisees have ever discriminated against anyone. Indeed, I would bet there are gays and lesbians working and and eating at a Chick-Fil-A somewhere as you read these words. We aren’t talking about discrimination at all, we’re talking about the political opinions and activities of the owners of the company. Now, I happen to disagree with those opinions myself but the fact of the matter is that the position that Don Cathy and his fellow owners hold on same-sex marriage is still, by an admittedly small and shrinking margin, the majority opinion in the United States, a fact most recently affirmed in the state of North Carolina. I’d like to change that, and I think it will, but that’s a fact. Where’s the logic in targeting Chick-fil-A when they happen to hold an opinion that a majority of Americans continue to hold? The most important fact, though, is that Moreno lies when he says that Chick-fil-A is discriminating against anyone and unless he can point to even a single overt act committed by the company, its employees, its franchees, and their employees, he should retract that statement immediately
But the lies are only the first mistake that Moreno makes, the second is his attempt to use the power of the state to punish what he considers to be unacceptable political beliefs
As Dave Schuler explains, Chicago Alderman have extraordinary power over the issuance of building permits in their wards because they must sign off on all building permits that are issued. While this sounds like its essentially a pro forma function, in reality the Alderman have essentially unlimited discretion in whether to sign off on a permit or not, and can apparently base their decision on anything they wish. This being Chicago, of course, the potential for bribery of one kind or another is really rather obvious, but this episode also demonstrates how that power can be used in ways that may not be corrupt, but which still give politicians far more power than they reasonably ought to have. If an Alderman can grant or deny a permit for any reason, for example, then what’s to prevent him from using it to discriminate against particular ethnic groups or, in this case, to punish people who have political opinions different than him? What’s to stop him from using it to ruin the business of someone who backed the guy who ran against him in the last election. Apparently, there’s nothing to stop him, at least not inside the Chicago political system
Regardless of Chicago politics, though, it is really rather obvious that what Moreno is attempting to do here is completely unconstitutional:
Denying a private business permits because of such speech by its owner is a blatant First Amendment violation. Even when it comes to government contracting — where the government is choosing how to spend government money — the government generally may not discriminate based on the contractor’s speech, see Board of County Commissioners v. Umbehr (1996). It is even clearer that the government may not make decisions about how people will be allowed to use their own property based on the speaker’s past speech
And this is so even if there is no statutory right to a particular kind of building permit (and I don’t know what the rule is under Illinois law). Even if the government may deny permits to people based on various reasons, it may not deny permits to people based on their exercise of his First Amendment rights. It doesn’t matter if the applicant expresses speech that doesn’t share the government officials’ values, or even the values of the majority of local citizens. It doesn’t matter if the applicant’s speech is seen as “disrespect[ful]” of certain groups. The First Amendment generally protects people’s rights to express such views without worrying that the government will deny them business permits as a result. That’s basic First Amendment law — but Alderman Moreno, Mayor Menino, and, apparently, Mayor Emanuel (if his statement is quoted in context), seem to either not know or not care about the law
A Chicago politician that doesn’t care about the law? How shocking
Josh Barro points out, correctly, that this political attack against Chick-fil-A, which Boston Mayor Mike Menino started, is no different than the efforts that some engaged in two years ago to get New York City to deny permits to the Islamic Community Center being built at the site of an old Burlington Coat Factory a block-and-a-half away from the site of the World Trade Center. In both cases, people were seeking to deny permits solely because of the content of the speech of the people applying for them. The First Amendment is very clear about this. The government cannot punish an entity solely based on the content of its speech, and Alderman Moreno has made it eminently clear that he would seek to deny a permit solely because he doesn’t like the content of the applicant’s speech. Moreno says that Chick-fil-A would not find a welcoming community in his ward. If he’s correct, then they’ll quickly find that out I suspect. However, it’s not his place to deny them the attempt to try solely because he didn’t like what one of their owners say
outsidethebeltway.com/chicago-alderman-no-building-permits-for-chick-fil-a
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A Chicago alderman wants to kill Chick-fil-A’s plans to build a restaurant in his increasingly trendy Northwest Side ward because the fast-food chain’s top executive vocally opposes gay marriage
Ald.Proco “Joe” Moreno announced this week that he will block Chick-fil-A’s effort to build its second Chicago store, which would be in the Logan Square neighborhood, following company President Dan Cathy’s remarks last week that he was “guilty as charged” for supporting the biblical definition of marriage as between a man and woman
“If you are discriminating against a segment of the community, I don’t want you in the 1st Ward,” Moreno told the Tribune on Tuesday.
Moreno stated his position in strong terms, referring to Cathy’s “bigoted, homophobic comments” in a proposed opinion page piece that an aide also sent to Tribune reporters. “Because of this man’s ignorance, I will now be denying Chick-fil-A’s permit to open a restaurant in the 1st Ward”
The alderman has the ideological support of Mayor Rahm Emanuel.
“Chick-fil-A values are not Chicago values,” the mayor said in a statement when asked about Moreno’s decision. “They disrespect our fellow neighbors and residents. This would be a bad investment, since it would be empty”
Moreno is relying on a rarely violated Chicago tradition known as aldermanic privilege, which dictates that City Council members defer to the opinion of the ward alderman on local issues. Last year Moreno wielded that weapon to block plans for aWal-Martin his ward, saying he had issues with the property owner and thatWal-Martwas not “a perfect fit for the area”
Chick-fil-A already has obtained zoning for a restaurant in the 2500 block of North Elston Avenue, but it must seek council approval to divide the land so it can purchase an out lot near Home Depot, Moreno said
In opposing Chick-fil-A, Moreno stakes out a position likely to resonate in his hipster ward and much of the rest of the city, where public officials have long cultivated the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender community. But Moreno also enters the complex intersection of property and free-speech rights
Moreno gets one thing absolutely wrong here. There’s absolutely no evidence that Chick-fil-A or its franchisees have ever discriminated against anyone. Indeed, I would bet there are gays and lesbians working and and eating at a Chick-Fil-A somewhere as you read these words. We aren’t talking about discrimination at all, we’re talking about the political opinions and activities of the owners of the company. Now, I happen to disagree with those opinions myself but the fact of the matter is that the position that Don Cathy and his fellow owners hold on same-sex marriage is still, by an admittedly small and shrinking margin, the majority opinion in the United States, a fact most recently affirmed in the state of North Carolina. I’d like to change that, and I think it will, but that’s a fact. Where’s the logic in targeting Chick-fil-A when they happen to hold an opinion that a majority of Americans continue to hold? The most important fact, though, is that Moreno lies when he says that Chick-fil-A is discriminating against anyone and unless he can point to even a single overt act committed by the company, its employees, its franchees, and their employees, he should retract that statement immediately
But the lies are only the first mistake that Moreno makes, the second is his attempt to use the power of the state to punish what he considers to be unacceptable political beliefs
As Dave Schuler explains, Chicago Alderman have extraordinary power over the issuance of building permits in their wards because they must sign off on all building permits that are issued. While this sounds like its essentially a pro forma function, in reality the Alderman have essentially unlimited discretion in whether to sign off on a permit or not, and can apparently base their decision on anything they wish. This being Chicago, of course, the potential for bribery of one kind or another is really rather obvious, but this episode also demonstrates how that power can be used in ways that may not be corrupt, but which still give politicians far more power than they reasonably ought to have. If an Alderman can grant or deny a permit for any reason, for example, then what’s to prevent him from using it to discriminate against particular ethnic groups or, in this case, to punish people who have political opinions different than him? What’s to stop him from using it to ruin the business of someone who backed the guy who ran against him in the last election. Apparently, there’s nothing to stop him, at least not inside the Chicago political system
Regardless of Chicago politics, though, it is really rather obvious that what Moreno is attempting to do here is completely unconstitutional:
Denying a private business permits because of such speech by its owner is a blatant First Amendment violation. Even when it comes to government contracting — where the government is choosing how to spend government money — the government generally may not discriminate based on the contractor’s speech, see Board of County Commissioners v. Umbehr (1996). It is even clearer that the government may not make decisions about how people will be allowed to use their own property based on the speaker’s past speech
And this is so even if there is no statutory right to a particular kind of building permit (and I don’t know what the rule is under Illinois law). Even if the government may deny permits to people based on various reasons, it may not deny permits to people based on their exercise of his First Amendment rights. It doesn’t matter if the applicant expresses speech that doesn’t share the government officials’ values, or even the values of the majority of local citizens. It doesn’t matter if the applicant’s speech is seen as “disrespect[ful]” of certain groups. The First Amendment generally protects people’s rights to express such views without worrying that the government will deny them business permits as a result. That’s basic First Amendment law — but Alderman Moreno, Mayor Menino, and, apparently, Mayor Emanuel (if his statement is quoted in context), seem to either not know or not care about the law
A Chicago politician that doesn’t care about the law? How shocking
Josh Barro points out, correctly, that this political attack against Chick-fil-A, which Boston Mayor Mike Menino started, is no different than the efforts that some engaged in two years ago to get New York City to deny permits to the Islamic Community Center being built at the site of an old Burlington Coat Factory a block-and-a-half away from the site of the World Trade Center. In both cases, people were seeking to deny permits solely because of the content of the speech of the people applying for them. The First Amendment is very clear about this. The government cannot punish an entity solely based on the content of its speech, and Alderman Moreno has made it eminently clear that he would seek to deny a permit solely because he doesn’t like the content of the applicant’s speech. Moreno says that Chick-fil-A would not find a welcoming community in his ward. If he’s correct, then they’ll quickly find that out I suspect. However, it’s not his place to deny them the attempt to try solely because he didn’t like what one of their owners say
outsidethebeltway.com/chicago-alderman-no-building-permits-for-chick-fil-a
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estesbob
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So I cant oppose homosexual marriage and lead people to Christ???
You cannot lead people to Catholicism through compromising principles.
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tm30
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This is just a taste of the mob mentality looming over Christianity.
We need to pay close attention. I am currently in diaconate formation, and I will not post that fact to my Facebook page, as there are colleagues from my place of employment (a very large multi-national corporation) on my friends list. Incredible to say, but I can see myself at some point being terminated for active ministry with the Catholic Church.
It’s getting that bad out there.
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Mickey
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All of the Christian Obama supporters need to take notice. This is a microcosm of the bigger picture…the squashing of free speech and religious freedom. Think about this before you vote. Be watchful.
I have never eaten at a Chick Fil A because of the distance from my home. But I will now drive there at least once per month in support of a Christian company who is not ashamed to exercise their free speech rights while standing up for traditional marriage and solid Christian morals.
I have never eaten at a Chick Fil A because of the distance from my home. But I will now drive there at least once per month in support of a Christian company who is not ashamed to exercise their free speech rights while standing up for traditional marriage and solid Christian morals.
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Kristin234
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There is freedom of speech…only if what you say agrees with what I believe in.
There is freedom of religion…only if your beliefs do not go against what I believe in/do.
Sadly this is what it has resulted to.
These people who are boycotting it are hypocrites. It is okay for them to mock my God, my faith, and my Bible. BUT God forbid I do not agree with their lifestyle…all of a sudden I am hateful, ignorant, arrogant, etc.
Good for Chick Fil A for standing up for what they believe in. I work near the one in Chicago and I make sure to go there at least a few times a month for lunch. I actually went there last week and a colleague told me she was boycotting them for what they believed in. I asked her why she wasn’t boycotting Christian bookstores, Christian radio stations, churches, and Christian jewelery but she couldn’t give me an answer. I asked her why she wasn’t boycotting Hobby Lobby and Salvation Army since they too have the same belief but she still couldn’t give me an answer.
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Corki
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I just got home, sorry.
There was no such notice posted at our local Chick-fil-A so I asked at the counter. The current kids meal toy is a puzzle book, not a puppet. They were out of them so I didn’t get to see one. I guess it *could have been *a Muppet book but the sign about kids getting their fingers stuck in the puppet still doesn’t seem to fit the real-life example.
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_Abyssinia
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Rahm: “Chick-fil-A Values Are Not Chicago Values”
Arrogant to presume he speaks for Chicago. You will find a lot of traditional marriage supporting people there
radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/cities-move-to-ban-chick-fil-a-supporters-launch-day-of-support.html
Arrogant to presume he speaks for Chicago. You will find a lot of traditional marriage supporting people there
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