Chik-fil-A Stands Up for Traditional Marriage

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vz71 said:
Comparing those that will not see the current political trends to Nazi’s is incorrect.

There were many at the time that would not see what was going on until they themselves were hauled away.
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There’s a lot that Rich won’t see. After all, he’s not a catechist, so he’s completely ignorant of the Faith. But at least I’m sure glad I got that quote from him, for future reference.

Most of my comments are intended for those who are truly seeking, and are on the road that leads to eternal life. You, for example, saw the comparison.

If my comments appeared to be a case of “pearls…swine…holy…dogs…”, please accept my sincerest apologies.
 
vz71 said:
Comparing those that will not see the current political trends to Nazi’s is incorrect.

There were many at the time that would not see what was going on until they themselves were hauled away.
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From Todd Starnes:
And while Chick-fil-A’s public flogging has garnered headlines, there are other instances of Christians facing persecution for their religious beliefs.
  • A family-owned bakery in Indianapolis was subjected to a city investigation after they declined to make cupcakes for National Coming Out Day. The owner of Just Cookies explained to local media they have “two young, impressionable daughters and we thought maybe it was best not to do that.”
  • The artistic director of the California Musical Theater resigned under significant pressure after he gave money to support a measure that outlawed same-sex marriage in California. Scott Eckern, who is Mormon, was outed by activist bullies. As one activist told the New York Times, “I do believe there comes a time when you cannot sit back and accept what I think is the most dangerous form of bigotry.” Spoken like a true bigot.
  • The Washington Blade published the names and addresses of 110,000 Maryland residents who signed a petition to put the state’s new marriage equality law onto the November ballot. Why? To intimidate the voters? I suspect the names were not published so readers could send them Christmas cards.
  • The Masterpiece Cake Shop in Lakewood, Colo. is facing a boycott and picket lines after the owner declined to bake a gay couple’s wedding cake. The couple cursed out the owner before posting the incident on Facebook. The owner said he would rather shut down his business than violate his personal beliefs.
  • Impact Church, a Southern Baptist congregation in Miami, is facing eviction from a public school building because the pastor preached a sermon about marriage. The Miami-Dade County school superintendent told a local television station that the church’s opposition to homosexuality “appears to be contrary to school board policy as well as the basic principles of humanity.” The superintendent said he wanted to evict the church as a “rejection of prejudice and intolerance.
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First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out–
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out–
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out–
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me–and there was no one left to speak for me.

MARTIN NIEMÖLLER
 
CatholicBoy1957 said:
There’s a lot that Rich won’t see. After all, he’s not a catechist, so he’s completely ignorant of the Faith. But at least I’m sure glad I got that quote from him, for future reference.
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Rich said he was “completely ignorant of the Faith?” And he said that’s true “because [he’s] not a catechist?”
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vz71 said:
Do you really think it a zero sum game?
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Actually, when it comes to our own income it is zero sum. If I spend $10 at Chick Fil A, I am giving up using the $10 in some other way. I could fast and put the $10 in the collection, I could eat a can of tuna for $1 and put $9 in the collection, there are many options which are all zero sum.
 
vz71 said:
Perhaps, but as has been pointed out by another poster:
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Yes, talk is cheap, but so am I. So one does not owe any business their patronage, even if you share the same values with the owner.
 
Elizabeth502 said:
Rich said he was “completely ignorant of the Faith?” And he said that’s true “because [he’s] not a catechist?”
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Effectively that. See post 407.

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?p=9589990#post9589990

I guess my point is that the topic of discussion for this thread has to do with CfA’s support for traditional marriage. After 63 posts in one thread, shouldn’t at least 1 be on topic? If a person is faithful to the Faith, shouldn’t there be something at least supportive of the Faith? Not that I’ve counted, but the forum has a system that does keep post counts.

Even if I had lockjaw and couldn’t afford their water, I would find something supportive to say about CfA, and if not about CfA, how about my knowledge of what the Church teaches about marriage? I’m not a catechist, but that doesn’t mean I’m brain dead. Even though talk is cheap, it’s more valuable than nothing.
 
stinkcat_14 said:
Actually, when it comes to our own income it is zero sum. If I spend $10 at Chick Fil A, I am giving up using the $10 in some other way. I could fast and put the $10 in the collection, I could eat a can of tuna for $1 and put $9 in the collection, there are many options which are all zero sum.
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But are you not also assuming that every contribution must be a monetary one?

Support for CFA must take the monetary form.
But support of our church is much more then that.
 
CatholicBoy1957 said:
There’s a lot that Rich won’t see. After all, he’s not a catechist, so he’s completely ignorant of the Faith. But at least I’m sure glad I got that quote from him, for future reference.
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Err…just a question - why do you call yourself “Catholic”? 🤷

I said, “Sorry to disappoint you, but I’m not a catechist, and I need not provide anything “about genuine Catholic teaching” to the Forum. We have some folks here who do a very good job, indeed a far better job than I, of explaining the Faith. Pay attention to them, then.”

How do you translate my not being a catechist into being COMPLETELY ignorant of the Faith? Let me tell you that four years of theology and Catholic philosophy in college makes me as competent, if not more so, as anyone else here to explain the Faith.

And, it’s just grand that you have my quote for future reference. Appointed yourself Grand Inquisitor, did you? Nice “Catholic” attitude. Not.
 
stinkcat_14 said:
Actually, when it comes to our own income it is zero sum. If I spend $10 at Chick Fil A, I am giving up using the $10 in some other way. I could fast and put the $10 in the collection, I could eat a can of tuna for $1 and put $9 in the collection, there are many options which are all zero sum.
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Sure, but that argument is a red herring. If one eats fast food, they can patronize Chik-fil-A instead of other fast food fares. We always have the choice to not eat fast food and to give more.

You haven’t completely stopped eating to maximize your charitable giving, have you? 😛
 
rlg94086 said:
Sure, but that argument is a red herring. If one eats fast food, they can patronize Chik-fil-A instead of other fast food fares. We always have the choice to not eat fast food and to give more.

You haven’t completely stopped eating to maximize your charitable giving, have you? 😛
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LOL! I’ve come close, however, and the savings have allowed me to increase my charitable giving. 😃 I do miss eating, I must say. 😉
 
vz71 said:
But are you not also assuming that every contribution must be a monetary one?

Support for CFA must take the monetary form.
But support of our church is much more then that.
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I think if I was Mr. Cathy, I’d be grateful even if someone on this forum wrote, “God bless CfA”, even if they never showed up at a restaurant.

But that’s me.
 
rlg94086 said:
I guess a wedding reception where you served Chik-fil-A and a cake from Masterpiece Cake Shop would be a little tacky, though… 😛

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It would be an improvement over the local standard fare of mostaccioli in meat sauce and roast beef, imho. 😃
 
Rich_Olszewski said:
Err…just a question - why do you call yourself “Catholic”? 🤷

I said, “Sorry to disappoint you, but I’m not a catechist, and I need not provide anything “about genuine Catholic teaching” to the Forum. We have some folks here who do a very good job, indeed a far better job than I, of explaining the Faith. Pay attention to them, then.”

How do you translate my not being a catechist into being COMPLETELY ignorant of the Faith? Let me tell you that four years of theology and Catholic philosophy in college makes me as competent, if not more so, as anyone else here to explain the Faith.

And, it’s just grand that you have my quote for future reference. Appointed yourself Grand Inquisitor, did you? Nice “Catholic” attitude. Not.
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More “side comments”? Oh, why not, you’re getting close to 70 of them by now.

I call myself Catholic because someone poured water on my head. Your excuse is no excuse at all for your “side comments” off topic comments. As far as all of those years of theology, what would that make of people like Kung, Boff, and Curran? And by the looks of that last comment, it appears that you not only view me as Grand Inquisitor, but envy the title for yourself.
 
stinkcat_14 said:
Christine Quinn wants Chick Fil A kicked out of NYU. This would seem to be a gray area, since a private entity can get rid of any vendor for any reason subject to their contract, but a government official leaning on a private entity because of someone else’s speech is still unseemly.

theatlanticwire.com/national/2012/07/christine-quinn-wants-chick-fil-kicked-out-new-york-city/55160/
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I think that a university, and a government official should err on the side of freedom of speech. But the flip side of that coin is that there is limited vendor space in a university, so food franchises can be very lucrative. If the views professed by the vendor are in violation of university policy, I can see why the university would want them removed. To use a more extreme example, let’s say they were advocating some other form of discrimination, which is not so controversial but is universally recognized as wrong? Would it be improper for the school to revoke their lease? (when I say discrimination, I don’t necessarily see discrimination as evil. We all discriminate. However, some discrimination is evil, in my opinion).
 
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