Child needs to get better grades

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And why do you think she gets an attitude? Could it be because you are trying to turn her into someone and something she’s not instead of letting her proceed at her own pace? She’s not you.

Ease up on her. Stop threatening punishment and show love, understanding and compassion instead.
 
My mother was an immigrant and she could have written this initial post of yours. And she could have written a post somewhat like your other post to which I responded about your other daughter’s friend. She was always after me to hang out with the “nice” girls…

Anyway, I imagine that a lot of my trouble stemmed from undiagnosed ADD, which was not a thing when I was young. A lot of times, girls with ADD manage all right until the school gets just a little too challenging, beyond what they can manage.

That may not be your daughter’s problem, but she does have a problem. The way you have discussed both your daughters indicates poor communication between you and your children.

Your children are not generic. They come with built-in strengths, weaknesses, talents, and desires. Our job as parents is not to “create” a child capable of having a life which is perfect in the eyes of society, but to help them learn to have a life that is for them worth living.

My mother told me what you tell your daughters. Watch out for what others are thinking of you. Do the right thing materially, and you will be rewarded materially. Regulate your social circle to help you get ahead, and don’t do the wrong thing or DISASTER WILL FALL ON YOU!!!

Can you see what the effect could be on a child? Can you see the nervousness the constant critical pressure would impose? Because even if you don’t say these things, your body, your voice, will reflect them.

My mother told me to hang out with the “nice” girls at school and never asked me what was happening. She did not know I was mocked and otherwise ignored at school, that I didn’t like the “nice” girls because they used the unpopular kids as fodder for their egos, etc.

My mother also never looked to see what the cause was of my difficulties at school. She never addressed my difficulties with organization, nor my nervousness.

Looking at the Montessori method, one sees they break a task into its component parts and teach the children each part. They allow the students to go at their own pace at each part. They reduce the pressure, in part by allowing the student to slow down where she needs to go slowly.

Your daughter’s teacher has a lot of students. Even in a small classroom, there will be 15 students. You or a tutor have time to work with your daughter one on one, and by going through the process in this way with her, see where her difficulty lies, like the Montessori method. But this must be done in a situation where pressure is very reduced or eliminated altogether.

To be honest, I ended up going to a counselor myself, and wish I had done so sooner. The problem with raising children is that it is not something that has a quick learning curve! When we had big families everywhere, people learned a lot about “parenting” through involvement with siblings, siblings of friends, nieces and nephews, etc. Now things are very regimented and this is difficult to pick up. We raise our children and in the end we can see where we went wrong, especially with the older ones. I would suggest that you yourself go to a counselor because you yourself yourself seem very nervous about many things.
 
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I think college is vastly overrated. I have a college degree which I never used, though it was nice to expand my horizons. I made a living for 35 years with the AA degree I got at a community college.
 
You should have a long sit down with the teacher.
 
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I will be the “devil’s advocate” and say that you should let your daughter solve this. Her grades are HER problems, not yours. Her teacher has told her what to do so let her do it. Stop micromanaging her and her homework. If she’s in the 6th grade she can certainly exercise some responsibility for solving this. And stop with all the college stuff for now. Focus on what needs to happen now. This is not your problem to solve.
 
I hope children who are grounded pray. It has been said that there is no such thing as a bad prayer, what is important IS TO PRAY. If anyone is interested in adding this request to their prayers, it would be appreciated 🙂
 
I think college is vastly overrated. I have a college degree which I never used, though it was nice to expand my horizons. I made a living for 35 years with the AA degree I got at a community college.
It can be - but it depends on what you want to do. I’m a nurse in the Air Force. I couldn’t do that without at least a BSN in nursing. I completely agree that it’s not for everyone, and there are AA and even trade level grads who do as well if not better than I do.

(Hire a plumber once and someone will realize that very quickly - and God bless them, the plumber, my HVAC guy, the guy who works on my car…we need them as much as we need folks who do my line of work.)
 
All this talk of college is irrelevant.

The fact is, a child’s grades in sixth grade are meaningless, as long as the child can move up into seventh grade.

Now, I’d still be upset by a child not doing well, because the child needs to develop good study habits and identify weak areas, and begin to take ownership of her grades. (The OP’s tactics for achieving this goal sound absolutely horrible, by the way.) There are also a few subjects–especially math–where the kid will be disadvantaged if she doesn’t “get” them.

But unless the kid wants to get into some elite school, sixth-grade marks simply aren’t important. I did poorly in seventh grade math–mainly because my teacher was a holy terror–but graduated high school with over a 4.0 average.

OP, if you’re still listening: Become a student of your children. Learn what makes them tick. Try to get into their skin. This will help you devise effective ways to guide them, without completely torpedoing your relationship with them.

If you continue slamming them with guilt and shaming, I fear you will not wind up with three healthy, successful women who are close to you and who share your values.
 
@Bananas hasn’t been online for four days and the last activity was on her locked, similar thread.

I sincerely hope she listened with an opened heart. 🌷
 
Have you had her eyes and hearing checked to make sure she doesn’t have a problem? Could there be another reason her grades are galling; bulling, some form of abuse at school?"

Have you considered a tutor?
 
I mean, I get enforcing consequences for lack of effort. I.e. if she’s binge watching shows on Netflix all day rather than studying, then there should be consequences. But they must be reasonable consequences. The current punishments that have been threatened are not reasonable. I would go as far as to say the threat of taking the aquarium is downright abusive. This girl has feelings for these fish. She loves them. Her emotions are involved. And… I’m cringing at the thought of how the parents are going to get rid of them. The OP hasn’t said how she would do it, but my mind can’t help turning towards the thought that she’s considering killing them. If that’s true, that’s bad. Really bad.

It would be fair to make a rule that she can’t spend time doing things with the aquarium until all her studying is completed. Her parent should sit with her and help her complete the homework tasks and praise her for her accomplishments (“You got the first three problems right! Way to go!”). Then once her work is done, let her go and enjoy her fish. But getting rid of them entirely — or even the mere threat to get rid of them entirely— is just cruel.

As a mother, I also think taking away toys children have emotional attachments to is too far. I’ve taken away toys as punishment before but only temporarily, and they were not toys that carried emotional attachment. Only once did I lose my temper and throw a toy in the trash. I later recovered it and apologized to my son and explained that while I needed to enforce consequences for his actions, I was wrong to throw away his toy and should have chosen a different consequence. He happily forgave me but I still regret that incident to this day.

What’s really sad is that this is more common than you’d think. I taught middle school for one year, and in that short time, I saw many parents behave like the OP when their children did poorly in school, and I saw their children just shut down. That’s why I really don’t think the OP is a troll. Many parents really are just that unenlightened when it comes to dealing with their kids. And these kids will surely keep mental health professionals in business in their adult life
 
Bananas, I am very happy you’re reading and engaging with the posts instead of leaving because posters have made very severe criticisms. That’s good.

Ignoring the “is-she-a-troll” posts, I think those critical posts could be helpful to you. But you must begin to realize that your daughters are people, not little robots. They are entitled to their own thoughts, and they don’t have to share every thought with you. You want to show them a good example, you want to help them identify and overcome weaknesses, and you want to allow them to play to their strengths. You do not want to resort to “I am their mother!!!” as you seem to do often, when they don’t react how you think they should react.

I advised, in an earlier thread, becoming a student of your children. This doesn’t mean demanding that they tell you everything; everyone needs privacy. (I am not talking here about electronic privacy, which is a whole 'nother topic.) It does mean trying to identify with them. “Finding their currency” is part of it, but you want to feel empathy FOR THEM–this is the best way to reach them.

With my kids, you treat them differently to get them to do what you want. Tiny example: I want my kids to pick up. My daughter likes to accomplish things and feel a sense of mastery, so I encourage her to see how clean she can get the room. My son wants to feel happy and like he’s making me happy, so I emphasize how happy he’s making me by cleaning up, and what a big boy he is. My one-year-old needs to be given a specific toy to put away, and then given much applause when he’s done it; then he wants to do another.

Obviously, this isn’t a terribly complicated problem, but I can see applications for your daughters. Instead of going nuclear on your sixth grader when she does poorly, could you try to figure out–with her–what the issue is? If it’s effort, then set aside a portion of time for her to do her homework at the kitchen table; if there’s a comprehension issue, help her or get her a tutor; and so on. Set small, measurable and achievable goals, and look back on past accomplishments with her–“See how much you’ve improved? You’ve worked really hard; well done!” and then on to the next challenge.

Your high schooler needs more emotional space than you’re giving her. If I may take a leaf from your book of catastrophe, you’re setting her up to become an atheist drug user who gets pregnant and 17 and drops out of school to live with an abusive alcoholic. Okay, okay, I’m being a little hyperbolic here, but in trying to control her inner life and attachments as much as you are, you’re driving her away from you. And I see the same pattern starting with your seven-year-old, who isn’t allowed to play with the kids she wants to play with.

This is going to be hard for you, because it demands a radical change in your outlook and parenting. I hope you can do it. Best of luck.
 
You have started three threads that are available:
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Daughter Friend Dilemma Family Life
Not the one she was posting on today, though; that wasn’t locked, it just disappeared.
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That describes me also! More seriously, do you remember what it was like to be 14 years old? It can be rough. I doubt that lectures about acting happy are a good idea. Have you asked a physician or counselor if they see medical issues? Have you talked to the soccer coach?
and the one we are in right now.
 
Calling her a troll is harsh. My son’s grades dropped because of unkind actions and bullying. I would suggest educational testing in case there is an undiagnosed learning disability. Many fly under the radar until middle school hits. I believe you. I have been there. And given the fact that most parents use their kids as fashion accessories these days, life is not made easier.

Perhaps a therapist may also get to the root of a problem she’s afraid to tell you.

God bless.
 
Troll or not, I’m going to continue to flag threads of hers that IMHO are inappropriate for the forum.
This is not a therapy forum or a general parenting forum. I can understand the short questions like “how do I deal with my toddler’s current phase of doing X?” But when anyone’s issues suggest a serious dysfunction (and no connection to Catholicism), if they are for real then they need to stop posting and get professional in-person help.
 
Just a bit of humor to provide a brief respite to the discussion:

Little Johnnie was horrible at math, no matter what his parents tried, it didn’t work. One day their neighbor suggested to try out the local Catholic school. Despite not being Catholic, Johnnie’s parents figured, why not? Nothing else had worked so they enrolled Little Johnnie in the local Catholic school. Everyday from that point, Johnnie went straight to his room and worked on his math for two hours after school. Not wanting to mess up a good thing, his parents were even afraid to ask him about it, they just watched it happen in awe. First report card came home and Johnnie had an A in math. His dad had to know what happened, so he asked Johnnie," son, what did that school do to make you so interested in math?". Johnnie replied, " that first day of school, when I saw that man hung on a plus sign, I knew this place meant business when it came to math"
 
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