Children and corporal punishment

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Hmm…I’m not so sure about that. I think there’s a whoooooole lot of control that goes into it.
 
How about the case of Pagan parrnts ordering the torture of their Christian outspring because it did not fit their ideas about the universe? Also love? Can love be set against Christ who is one with the Father? Who is the ultimate Father, whether some earthly fathers accept it or not.
 
But…did he hit the men who didn’t obey? Or did the military not allow it?
 
I never said obedience was bad. It’s needed. I said it isn’t the right TERM to use in relationships. I never said don’t obey the police… where did you even get that from??
 
phil19034 said:
Here’s the truth of the matter… if you truly loved someone, you would obey them.
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You comply out of love not requirement. If you go to Church because it’s required and not because you love God, then you don’t have real faith. It’s not about requirement it’s about love
 
We are all different generations, I cannot understand or comprehend what the experiences of other generations are. You cannot understand or comprehend mind. Let’s not all act like we can. Neither mindset is right or wrong, it is just different
 
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So, we must obey, but we musn’t use the word “obey”? Words have meaning and it is key to use concise language. Christ and the Church use “obey”. That is good enough for me!
 
Whenever my parents sat with me and explained things even if I was… so to speak… emotional slapped, I remember it all. Whenever they physically slapped me I remember nothing excepy anger and the joy that one day I will be big. Ok, just my case. Maybe I am unusual.
I agree with you that the times are now hard, on Christians parents and kids, hard as they were on my parents during the Communist regime in Eastern Europe. If I had a kid today I would have to remember how my parents were correcting every crap I was learning in school during the communist regime. Scratch that, scratch this, but don’t tell your teachers at school.
 
There’s a really weird false dichotomy being circulated here: spank your kids or they become spoiled. 🤨
 
http://www.usccb.org/bible/philippians/2 bold added

Have among yourselves the same attitude that is also yours in Christ Jesus,*

6 Who,* though he was in the form of God,d

did not regard equality with God something to be grasped.*

7 Rather, he emptied himself,

taking the form of a slave,

coming in human likeness;*

and found human in appearance,e

8 he humbled himself,f

becoming obedient to death, even death on a cross.*
 
GospelOfMatthew said:
Spanking is child abuse and should be illegal. It’s sinful. Negative reinforcement is not Christian
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NO - this is 100% wrong.

This view of yours is very Marxist.

Spanking is NOT child abuse. Spanking doesn’t hurt, and spanking doesn’t leave marks. Kids get hurt far more playing on the playground then they do getting spanked.

The kids cry from a spank mainly because they are not getting their way and because for little kids any sting causes them to cry. That’s why they cry when getting a shot. A shot hurts far more than a spank.

Spanking takes place on the behind, thigh, or hand. Not anywhere else. It should never leave a mark.

Now, some kids don’t need spankings. My daughter for example, she really doesn’t need it. And when she’s being very disrespectful, the we can usually punish her by taking things away.

But my son… words and taking things away don’t really work. But the threat of a spank does. But the threat cannot be empty. I give him a warning. And I count to five slowly for him to change his behavior and do what he’s supposed to. Usually by the time I get to 4 he’s back in line.

It works and it needs to be done. I don’t want my son to go to jail when he’s older. If he would respond to other punishments, I would gladly do those. But he doesn’t.

But I NEVER spank when angry… When I’m angry, I walk away. After he’s punished and calms down, I talk to him about what he did bad. I always remind him that I love him after his punishment, and I always remind him that I love him every day. He knows he’s loved, there is no question… and he’s only 4.

I will leave it like this: there is a correct way to spank and there is a wrong way to spank. Again, you don’t spank out of anger. You don’t hit and leave marks. You don’t spank to hurt. You don’t even need to use your palms because the fingers work well.

When kids who are spanked don’t feel love, it isn’t because they are being spanked. It’s because the parents do not show their children love at any time.

And in regards to the belt… I used to get the belt as a child when I was really misbehaving. It stung, but never left marks. My dad did it backhand by moving his wrists only. Never from over his head. And I always had fair warning.

Finally, where I went to school (and I was only born in 1977) everyone I knew received spankings. The vice principal at the PUBLIC middle school even used a paddle, with holes drilled into it to make it move faster.

In closing - you are entitled to your view. But you are NOT entitled to say spanking is sinful, because it is not. Child abuse is sinful. Giving a child bruises is sinful. But spanking a child on the butt (which leaves no marks) is not sinful and is a valid method of rearing children to be respectful members of society.

God bless
 
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GospelOfMatthew said:
I never said obedience was bad. It’s needed. I said it isn’t the right TERM to use in relationships. I never said don’t obey the police… where did you even get that from??
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So tell me… when I want to instruct my children to tell them the importance of obeying their mother (my wife), what word should I use?

When I say to my son, “Son you must _____ your mother.” – please fill in the blank.
 
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phil19034:
Here’s the truth of the matter… if you truly loved someone, you would obey them.
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You comply out of love not requirement. If you go to Church because it’s required and not because you love God, then you don’t have real faith. It’s not about requirement it’s about love
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Wrong. if you go to church out of recruitment and fear of the Lord then you have IMPERFECT faith.

OF COURSE, we want to have PERFECT faith, which is based on love. But love grows. PERFECT faith is something we are all working on. We all have sins where we fail in our love for God. And sometimes, the only way to keep us from doing those sins is for fear of hell. It doesn’t mean we don’t love Jesus, but sometimes there are select sins that really have a hold on us - so we need the fear of punishment to prevent us from committing those sins.

We all need to start somewhere - and none of use have PERFECT faith.

It’s better to have IMPERFECT faith out of obligation or fear of the Lord, then to have no faith at all.

God Bless
 
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You are neing Illogical, preferring a synonym for obey and saying no one else should use the word you don’t prefer. Listen is simply another word for obey, they mean the same thing in this instance.
 
When my wife and her sister were children and got in a fight, her parents sent them both off to get a switch to be used for their sibling. And both were vindictive and found what they thought would be the worst. Then the switch each brought back was used on themselves instead. Apparently when they were little they both fell for it all the time.
 
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