Children of God and HPV Vaccine

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Karin said:
I would think that if you are that strongly against it (them) and your request is refused you hire a lawyer and fight it…or perhaps find a pro-life doctor that will fudge records to indicate a medical reason why your kid cant have the vaccine.
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Hiring a lawyer is expensive, I suspect not many would be willing to take the case. Plus, I would have to retain that lawyer to repeat the process at each level of education - elementary, middle, high, college, graduate school…

As for hiring a pro-life doctor to ‘fudge’ anything - is highly unethical and would not be supported by Catholic teaching.
Also is there not some website that gives you letter templates to fill out and submit if you are refusing on religious beliefs?..they also list what is in the vaccines.
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Yes, there are some websites. However, each state has different means by which the documents are reviewed and ruled upon. That the forms are available, that the process is there to avail oneself of, is not the same as having a just committee rule in favor of the request. Politics, you know…
Also I did not think “moral” reasons where valid reasons to refuse a vaccine…I thought only medical and religious beliefs where valid reasons.
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You are correct.

Remember I am not opposed to vaccines.
I’m not even opposed to mandatory vaccines for illnesses which are transmittable by air or saliva, especially in the public school systems.

I’m opposed to mandating a new vaccine on young children that was approved based on studies on adults, with no long-term studies available to review the risks associated with the vaccine on young children, and for an illness which is transmitted by behaviors, not by air or random spitting or sneezing by others. Toddlers, children, even teens tend to spit, bite and sneeze without regard for the health of those around them. There’s not much one can do to protect themselves from things like that, but STDs, that’s a different story.

Voluntary compliance is perfectly acceptable.
 
My state isn’t one of those, and 18 is what, 30%?
That’s a lot of other parents who don’t get that option.
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I was simply addressing the statement that “only medical and religious beliefs where valid reasons” as that may not be true for every parent reading this thread.
 
It is interesting to see so much fuss about the HPV vaccine and how the government should force it on people. This sounds another scam like embrionic stem cell research where a lot of promises are made in order to financially back pharmaceutical industries for their investments in research.

More kids will die as a consequence of being fat than because of HPV. I do not hear anyone pushing the government to stop people from becoming fat. This is an even costlier issue that HPV for the country. But nobody is willing to regulate such a huge business as the food industry.

This is like trying to regulate firearms because children are being killed, while the main cause of teenagers deaths are related to car accidents.

These issues are due to individual choices of lifestyle. Very few (from a percentage point of view) are the cases where the issue is not due to individual choices. Why a secular government addresses lower risk factors where for the same cost it could prevent deaths from higher risk factors?

The question again is: Qui prosit?
 
Cristiano said:
It is interesting to see so much fuss about the HPV vaccine and how the government should force it on people. This sounds another scam like embrionic stem cell research where a lot of promises are made in order to financially back pharmaceutical industries for their investments in research.
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Bingo. The pharaceutical industry, the goverment agencies, the research firms, they are all in each others pockets, and the whole vaccine biz is rife with conflicts of interest.
 
YinYangMom said:
I already addressed that…rape, date rape…yes, those are real risks, but even date rape is something manageable (don’t go to parties withough adults present and with alcohol present…don’t go to parties which start after 11pm and run into 3am…don’t accept drinks from anyone at any party or restaurant, always serve your own and if you walk away from your beverage order a new one when you return - yes, I’ve taught my teens that one)…
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Since when is date rape managable? Currently I am a college freshman, I am having the facts about rape and date rape rammed down my throat. Date rape is not preventable and to say that it is puts the blame on the victim not the attacker. Date rape doesn’t happen just at parties. Yes, thats where it occurs the most but not allways. Date rape can happen in a situation without alcohol or even a party. If you are alone with a guy there is a chance of being raped. The statistics show that most people who are raped know their attacker. That means it’s just not strangers at parties. Her future boyfriend, male aquantinces, and dare I say it family members could rape her. The victim of rape is never at fault. 1 in 6 women are victims of sexual assult in their lifetime. That statistic comes from the number of reported rapes the actual statistic is probably much higher.
You say that your daughter is choseing abstinance, that choice is much easier to make when you are younger. When you are older and find the person you someday want to marry that choice becomes much harder. The vaccine only works before you’ve had sex. Many teens who go try to get birth control pills have already had sex or participated in risky activities.

I’m sorry this is so late after the post, I felt the need to share my point of veiw. Different generations tend to have vastly different veiw points on issues. I am not intending to hurt or offend anybody with my comments. They are just my opinons from what I know to be true.
 
sasafr said:
Since when is date rape managable?
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The risk factor is manageable but not the rape itself. You can reduce the risk factor but the impact of rape in someone life cannot be controlled.
sasafr said:
The victim of rape is never at fault. 1 in 6 women are victims of sexual assult in their lifetime. That statistic comes from the number of reported rapes the actual statistic is probably much higher.
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The victim of rape could be responsible for behaviors that would increase the risk of being raped. However, that does not reduce the culpability of a rapist. A person that chooses to commit a crime does it so out of choice, independently of the victim behaviors.

Sexual assault is a crime that can include, but it is not restricted to rape. I am saying this not to diminish the gravity of sexual assault but in some cases of sexual assault the risk of transmission of diseases is quite reduced. Here I am not talking from a moral point of view but simply from the statistical one as you pointed out.
sasafr said:
You say that your daughter is choosing abstinence, that choice is much easier to make when you are younger. When you are older and find the person you someday want to marry that choice becomes much harder.
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That is not true! When you are older you have more experience to base your choices on. Hormones drive you at any age, and it is easier to make wrong choices when you do not have experience and your conscience is not well formed yet.
 
sasafr said:
Her future boyfriend, male aquantinces, and dare I say it family members could rape her.
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I should clarify…the effects of surviving rape, including date rape, are manageable. I was not suggesting we can do things to 100% protect ourselves from rape…no one can. Several saints chose to die instead of endure the crime. Neither my daughter or I believe we’d be able to do that which means we would be focusing our energies on surviving whatever we are subjected to. Step one is survival. Step two is facing the outcome of the trauma…yes, she could develop a life-threatening disease, she could end up sterile, I suppose, she could end up pregnant…but all of those are things one can face with faith in God.
You say that your daughter is choseing abstinance, that choice is much easier to make when you are younger. When you are older and find the person you someday want to marry that choice becomes much harder. The vaccine only works before you’ve had sex. Many teens who go try to get birth control pills have already had sex or participated in risky activities.
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Right, so if and when my daughter begins to think about sexual relations, or finds herself in tempting situations so that she’s afraid she’ll not have the will power she needs, then at that time she can visit a physician to request the vaccine. By then more data will have been collected on the short/long term effects of it on people in her age group. Remember the current data is for women, not young girls. The thing is it will be her choice, not imposed upon her from age 9-18 by any government agency.
I’m sorry this is so late after the post, I felt the need to share my point of veiw. Different generations tend to have vastly different veiw points on issues. I am not intending to hurt or offend anybody with my comments. They are just my opinons from what I know to be true.
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Apologies are not needed. Sharing opinions is what the forums are about!
 
Cristiano said:
It is interesting to see so much fuss about the HPV vaccine and how the government should force it on people. This sounds another scam like embrionic stem cell research where a lot of promises are made in order to financially back pharmaceutical industries for their investments in research.

More kids will die as a consequence of being fat than because of HPV. I do not hear anyone pushing the government to stop people from becoming fat. This is an even costlier issue that HPV for the country. But nobody is willing to regulate such a huge business as the food industry.

This is like trying to regulate firearms because children are being killed, while the main cause of teenagers deaths are related to car accidents.

These issues are due to individual choices of lifestyle. Very few (from a percentage point of view) are the cases where the issue is not due to individual choices. Why a secular government addresses lower risk factors where for the same cost it could prevent deaths from higher risk factors?

The question again is: Qui prosit?
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Well stated.
 
Cristiano said:
It is interesting to see so much fuss about the HPV vaccine and how the government should force it on people. This sounds another scam like embrionic stem cell research where a lot of promises are made in order to financially back pharmaceutical industries for their investments in research.

More kids will die as a consequence of being fat than because of HPV. I do not hear anyone pushing the government to stop people from becoming fat. This is an even costlier issue that HPV for the country. But nobody is willing to regulate such a huge business as the food industry.

This is like trying to regulate firearms because children are being killed, while the main cause of teenagers deaths are related to car accidents.

These issues are due to individual choices of lifestyle. Very few (from a percentage point of view) are the cases where the issue is not due to individual choices. Why a secular government addresses lower risk factors where for the same cost it could prevent deaths from higher risk factors?

The question again is: Qui prosit?
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Actaully the state of NY and NJ are attempting to regulate the food industry…and schools are jumpin gon board getting rid of the garbage vending machines and serving somewhat healthier meals
 
Cristiano said:
That is not true! When you are older you have more experience to base your choices on. Hormones drive you at any age, and it is easier to make wrong choices when you do not have experience and your conscience is not well formed yet.
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It may not have been true for you, but I’ve seen it happen that way for many, many people. That doesn’t diminish that it was, indeed, true in your life. But my point is that is all antedotal. You have no idea if it will or will not be true for your daughter.
 
boppaid said:
But my point is that is all antedotal. You have no idea if it will or will not be true for your daughter.
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I am sorry but I do not understand when you say antedotal ( I am just another alien in an English speaking forum).
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I agree that you cannot know the future. We can still look at the risk factor as the insurance companies do. If we go back to the OT a lot of time the prophets did not predict anything unusually strange, they just said that if you do not do God's will you will be in deep trouble and that is what happened. Same thing applies here.
If our children will have a well formed conscience, then they will have a higher probability of reducing the risk of making the wrong decision. How is their conscience formed? Through proper moral education and not feel good shortcuts.
 
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