I see. So, that means which citations?i went to school, they teach these things.
How many crusades were there? Were they all unjust or were the excesses, not ordered by the Church, wrong?let’s see, the crusades was a delayed response to the taking of land by islam, by many years, and the catholics decide to go in scimitars a blazing and kill everyone they could in the name of god. in a loving way, of course.
Which persons did the Church kill? Not the state, but the Catholic Church?The inquisition, instituted by spain and carried out by the superiors of the catholic church tortured and kill many cathars and jews in order to force them to convert to christianity, and if it was found there “converts” secretly practiced their religion, they had them killed. they also kill practicing homosexuals and witches, tho that was mostly incidental. I don’t know about you, but killing someone for their beliefs is wrong, unless you’re a nazi. are you a nazi?
I am sure you do think that, but that does not make it so.they also call all sorts of things love that IS love!
So, you are a relativist.i think we all are, tho some are better than others.
You totally missed me screwing up posting a hebrew national ad picture earlier.No, I imagine he/she is simply thinking for his/herself. Not all religious expression/experience hinges on hierarchical notions of authority.
You can’t be serious in thinking the crusades were all unjust?You can’t be serious in asking why the Crusades were wrong.
I doubt anyone would deny them authentic rights. What they may be against is codifying into civil law things that are evil.I’ve noticed this around here a lot actually. People say that they’re showing “love” to homosexuals when they deny them equal rights.
By thinking for oneself does that mean we each are correct?No, I imagine he/she is simply thinking for his/herself. Not all religious expression/experience hinges on hierarchical notions of authority.
haha no I saw that. Thought it was kind of funny actually.You totally missed me screwing up posting a hebrew national ad picture earlier.
whatever textbook they gave me in mr meyers 9th grade world history class.I see. So, that means which citations?
How many crusades were there? Were they all unjust or were the excesses, not ordered by the Church, wrong?
the only one i was talking about, were THE CRUSADES, also formally known as THE CRUSADES. not the childrens crusades, or any others, but THE crusades. i hope this clears up matters a bit for you.Which persons did the Church kill? Not the state, but the Catholic Church?
again, spain created the inquisition and gave over ALL power of it to the catholic church, which was responsible for everything the inquistion did, and, at the risk of being repetitive, it killed the cathars, jews, homosexuals, witches, and other ungodly undesirables.I am sure you do think that, but that does not make it so.
just as i am sure that YOU think THAT, but it doesnt make it not so,
i see myself more as an objectivist, myself.So, you are a relativist.
i have an authority.haha no I saw that. Thought it was kind of funny actually.
Yeah, I’m not really into the whole militant Christianity thing. Something about mixing religious fervor and murdering people that doesn’t sit well with me.You can’t be serious in thinking the crusades were all unjust?
I don’t make a distinction between “authentic” rights and civil rights. They’re both kind of the same thing in my book. I do make a distinction, however, between civil rights and evil.I doubt anyone would deny them authentic rights. What they may be against is codifying into civil law things that are evil.
Of course not. That’s why we have discourse(s) among people(s) and communities.By thinking for oneself does that mean we each are correct?
Um ok, that’s great. Your point is that you’re Jewish?i have an authority.
God no!Um ok, that’s great. Your point is that you’re Jewish?
I guess we are back to moral relativism. No surprise.Yeah, I’m not really into the whole militant Christianity thing. Something about mixing religious fervor and murdering people that doesn’t sit well with me.
I don’t make a distinction between “authentic” rights and civil rights. They’re both kind of the same thing in my book. I do make a distinction, however, between civil rights and evil.
Of course not. That’s why we have discourse(s) among people(s) and communities.
ok, the state did. the catholic state.The Church did not kill anyone. The state did. And frankly, that was not necessarily wrong in each case. But, that is another thread.
I find the usual propaganda.
Sorry, the state defending itself is not evil. Murder is evil.ok, the state did. the catholic state.
and by your logic, since some killing is right, some abortion must also be acceptable. either killing people is wrong, or it isnt.
but i do like how fundamentalists like to pick and choose what is and isnt permissible…
haha ok, I guess I missed something somewhere then, no worries.God no!
i couldnt take the guilt.
and i like sausage.
So as long as you pick some kind of “authority,” you escape the “moral relativism” tag?I guess we are back to moral relativism. No surprise.
Not just some kind of authority.So as long as you pick some kind of “authority,” you escape the “moral relativism” tag?
how can a state defend itself years and years later? thats like me getting mugged, seeing the guys five years after the fact, and shooting himself in self-defense. nice logic you got going on there.Sorry, the state defending itself is not evil. Murder is evil.
Gosh, I wish they would study history for themselves. How somebody can derive such a misunderstanding of church history is beyond me.The Church did not kill anyone. The state did. And frankly, that was not necessarily wrong in each case. But, that is another thread.
I find the usual propaganda.
Man, I don’t even know of many Catholics who would actually try to defend the Crusades. The Church has already confessed its sins in this regard. Just like the Holocaust, the Church was directly and indirectly complicit in the Crusades.Sorry, the state defending itself is not evil. Murder is evil.
well, it’s hard to know the real truth when the perpetrator covers up the facts. kind of like moving pedophile priests to other parishes to avoid detection!Gosh, I wish they would study history for themselves. How somebody can derive such a misunderstanding of church history is beyond me.