Christ Did NOT make Peter the head of the church

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House_Harkonnen said:
I find the RC reluctance to call themselves a denomination simply posturing and equivocation.
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No, it’s because we believe there is only one Church which is the Body of Christ.

And that Church has a name, the name by which it has been known since the end of the first century…the Catholic Church.
 
House_Harkonnen said:
Because he was the princeps of the apostles whose ministry was passed down to all the bishops of the church.
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When in the New Testament did Peter pass on his authority to the other apostles. Does your statement mean Paul was unable to ordain?

This idea of yours seems to emphasize Peter’s supremacy. I suppose in mad efforts to shore up erroneous theology, such mistakes occur.
 
Isaiah45_9 said:
Peter’s leadership and primacy bleeds throughout the New Testament.

Supremacy is a whole different story 😉
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Can you provide an example from the New Testament of anyone superceding or countermanding a decision made by Peter?

Can you name anyone in scripture (other than Jesus, of course) who had greater authority than Peter?

Thanks.
 
adrift said:
So when Jesus changed Simon’s name to Peter it didn’t mean anything? Jesus didn’t know that Simon would betray Him or try to deter Him from His mission? The fact that Peter later was a stumbling block to Jesus does not wipe away the declaration that you are Peter and upon this rock I will build my Church … I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven; and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. As Jesus knew what Judas would do so He knew what Peter would do.
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Yes to some Christians it means Christ was building His Church upon Peter’s confession that the rock was Christ the Savior and Son of God. But they might say you just can’t stop at chapter 16 and call it quits. Because then in Matthew 18:18 Christ was speaking to apostles other than solely to Peter. And he went on to give them binding and loosening power too which is what keys do.
 
House_Harkonnen said:
No it doesn’t.

The head of the church position has already been filled by Christ Jesus.
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But the head of the visible Church on earth was Peter.

Jesus is the Good Shepherd, right? Yet, just prior to His ascension, He specifically names Peter as the shepherd responsible for tending and caring for His flock?

Isn’t Jesus capable of doing that?

So, why name a vicar?

Because in OUR weakness, WE need a visible shepherd to follow.

Pretty straightforward.
 
I think it is sad that you can show proof and explain it all out and people are still too stubborn to believe.

Sometimes these threads are like beating a dead horse.
 
Jon_S said:
House,

I would really like you to read this clear and concise view of the authority of the Pope from the council of Chalcedon. Please read this article and respond with your objections.

biblicalcatholic.com/apologetics/a35.htm
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Two.

The bishops of the council respected Rome because of its preeminence as the cheif city of the Roman Empire. Not because the pope had universal authority. Even Leo’s tome is respected because it was orthodox, not because they were bound to accept whatever Leo said.
 
KendraDZ1902 said:
I think it is sad that you can show proof and explain it all out and people are still too stubborn to believe.

Sometimes these threads are like beating a dead horse.
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So true. I have explained it and explained it in this thread and still folks refuse to believe… Frustrating.
 
Randy_Carson said:
But the head of the visible Church on earth was Peter.

Jesus is the Good Shepherd, right? Yet, just prior to His ascension, He specifically names Peter as the shepherd responsible for tending and caring for His flock?

Isn’t Jesus capable of doing that?

So, why name a vicar?

Because in OUR weakness, WE need a visible shepherd to follow.

Pretty straightforward.
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Sounds all pretty but that’s not consistent with scripture nor the history of the church.
 
Randy_Carson said:
Can you provide an example from the New Testament of anyone superceding or countermanding a decision made by Peter?

Can you name anyone in scripture (other than Jesus, of course) who had greater authority than Peter?

Thanks.
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After your mocking and personal tone in our last exchange, I have no desire to engage in conversation with you anymore.
 
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