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I.e. if we all accept your view, right?
My view is that I’ll accept you as a fellow member of Christ’s church because we are both followers of Christ, even though we have different views on some doctrinal issues. You don’t need to agree with me on every doctrinal point. Therefore, we have unity in Christ.
 
My view is that I’ll accept you as a fellow member of Christ’s church because we are both followers of Christ, even though we have different views on some doctrinal issues. You don’t need to agree with me on every doctrinal point. Therefore, we have unity in Christ.
This is a nice thought, but I don’t think that all Protestants would agree with you. Some Protestants say that Roman Catholics are not Christians. For example, there is a fundamentalist Protestant writer, Mr. Jack T. Chick who publishes a lot of fire and brimstone comic books denouncing Roman Catholicism as a non-Christian pagan cult.
catholic.com/documents/the-nightmare-world-of-jack-t-chick
 
My view is that I’ll accept you as a fellow member of Christ’s church because we are both followers of Christ, even though we have different views on some doctrinal issues. You don’t need to agree with me on every doctrinal point. Therefore, we have unity in Christ.
Which doctrinal points would you say we need to agree upon to be considered in unity and more importantly who get to decide on these points?

Peace!!!
 
Which doctrinal points would you say we need to agree upon to be considered in unity and more importantly who get to decide on these points?

Peace!!!
This one should be enough. If you truly believe this you will be led by the Holy Spirit. God has already decided on these points.

Romans 10:9-10 English Standard Version (ESV)
9 because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved.

Peace to you.
 
It surprises me that anyone would think that there’s a chance that Lutherans would abandon sola scriptura and “faith alone”.
It shouldn’t…those two doctrines (and sola scriptura especially) are not easily defended from Scripture.

Once Protestants realize this, the rest is easy.
 
This one should be enough. If you truly believe this you will be led by the Holy Spirit. God has already decided on these points.

Romans 10:9-10 English Standard Version (ESV)
9 because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved.

Peace to you.
What does it mean that “Jesus is Lord”?

Do you mean like a king?

If Jesus is a king, did He name a Royal Steward like Pharaoh had Joseph or like Hezekiah had Eliakim (cf. Is. 22:20-22)?
 
My view is that I’ll accept you as a fellow member of Christ’s church because we are both followers of Christ, even though we have different views on some doctrinal issues. You don’t need to agree with me on every doctrinal point. Therefore, we have unity in Christ.
For what it’s worth; I agree. Love is the tie that binds, and was supposed to be a sign to all that we are Jesus’ disciples. Jesus talked about loving one another, and unity in the same breath; as God is Love and united in love. I’ve noticed something; when we talk about Jesus, we agree. When we talk about God, we agree. Those of us who all agree on Who God is, and Who Jesus is and His life, death and resurrection…

Luke 9: 49 And John answered and said, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name; and we forbad him, because he followeth not with us. 50 And Jesus said unto him, Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us.

If someone come to our towns and starts trying to kill all the Christians, well… do any of us actually think they’ll leave any of our brothers and sisters in other denominations alone? I don’t. There’s some unity right there.
 
My view is that I’ll accept you as a fellow member of Christ’s church because we are both followers of Christ, even though we have different views on some doctrinal issues. You don’t need to agree with me on every doctrinal point. Therefore, we have unity in Christ.
Ah…the lowest common denominator approach. Is this enough? What does the Bible say about Church Unity?

John 10:16
I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen. I must bring them also. They too will listen to my voice, and there shall be one flock and one shepherd.

Jesus is the Good Shepherd, and He left Peter with instructions to feed and tend the ONE flock (Jn 21:15-19). Yet, your flock meets in one building on Sundays while mine meets in another, right?

John 17:20-23
20 “My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, 21 that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. 22 I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one— 23 I in them and you in me—so that they may be brought to complete unity. Then the world will know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me.

“Complete unity” was supposed to be a sign to unbelievers. How strong is our testimony now, brother?

1 Corinthians 1:10
I appeal to you, brothers, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree with one another so that there may be no divisions among you and that you may be **perfectly united **in mind and thought.”

Perfectly united in mind and thought? What about all our doctrinal differences?🤷

Sounds like we DO need to agree perfectly on every doctrinal point, after all.
 
Would you say that:
  1. Jesus established one church, but it is an invisible, abstract, “spiritual” church in which all true believers, regardless of denomination, are members. In this church, either:
    (a) Doctrine does not matter, or
    (b) Conflicting and contradictory doctrines are acceptable.
OR
  1. Jesus established one, visible church in which doctrine matters and does not conflict. This church contains the fullness of truth as revealed by God; all others have partial truth, at best.
 
This one should be enough. If you truly believe this you will be led by the Holy Spirit. God has already decided on these points.

Romans 10:9-10 English Standard Version (ESV)
9 because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved.

Peace to you.
For what it’s worth; I agree. Love is the tie that binds, and was supposed to be a sign to all that we are Jesus’ disciples. Jesus talked about loving one another, and unity in the same breath; as God is Love and united in love. I’ve noticed something; when we talk about Jesus, we agree. When we talk about God, we agree. Those of us who all agree on Who God is, and Who Jesus is and His life, death and resurrection…

Luke 9: 49 And John answered and said, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name; and we forbad him, because he followeth not with us. 50 And Jesus said unto him, Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us.

If someone come to our towns and starts trying to kill all the Christians, well… do any of us actually think they’ll leave any of our brothers and sisters in other denominations alone? I don’t. There’s some unity right there.
But what about John 6:52-58?
The Jews quarreled among themselves, saying, “How can this man give us his flesh to eat?”
Jesus said to them, “Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him on the last day. For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me and I in him. Just as the living Father sent me and I have life because of the Father, so also the one who feeds on me will have life because of me.
How can there be unity when so many follow the example of the disciples and walk away from teachings like this on the Eucharist or even reject basic beliefs about sin and grace?
 
But what about John 6:52-58?
And what of the verse I quoted? The Lord did not force a believer to follow the Apostles, and stopped the Apostles from interfering from another of His believers. We all recognize Jesus as the head of the church. Love between brethren is a sign that people are truly the disciples of Christ, and love between brethren is not restricted to the RCC, the last I checked, nor the fruits of the Spirit. There are Catholics who sit in judgment on protestants, and protestants on Catholics. Brothers and sisters spitting on each other.

Teachings matter, God; The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit matter more. Love God, love your neighbor, John tells us if we don’t have that we are in trouble. Look to taking the plank out of your own eye before your brother’s eye, is what the Master taught, and that is for all of us. As Mother Angelica phrased a similar thought, we’d all be better of if we would take a look in the mirror and say, “Mind your own business.”

I’ve seen the love of the Lord here on CAF, I’ve seen it in a Methodist church, a Pentecostal church, etc… out in the world when brethren interact with each other. We are all to have the same mind, it’s true; the mind of Christ. We are all to worship and serve the same Lord, pointing to Him, glorifying Him, and praising Him. I’m not for false ecumenism, but I’m all for focusing on God and proclaiming the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus the Christ. He’s the Truth we serve. It’s apparent that way of thinking doesn’t win a lot of people over in any of the various Christian camps. As I said, if the enemy comes to kill Christians we’ll see how the world labels us.
 
My view is that I’ll accept you as a fellow member of Christ’s church because we are both followers of Christ, even though we have different views on some doctrinal issues.

You don’t need to agree with me on every doctrinal point. Therefore, we have unity in Christ.
:eek: So the point of unity is our disunity? Can you explain this further? This is rationalizing disunity.

And where is it in the Bible that describes how we are to be united by having disagreements on doctrinal points?
 
:eek: So the point of unity is our disunity? Can you explain this further? This is rationalizing disunity.
Can’t we all just get along? Can’t we all just enjoy the love of God (whatever your conception of him, her, it or us may be)?

Join hands with your neighbor now…

“Kumbaya…”

[Sorry, couldn’t resist.]
 
Teachings matter, God; The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit matter more. Love God, love your neighbor, John tells us if we don’t have that we are in trouble.
Unfortunately, one can’t love another truly without really knowing him/her. You say love God - who is God? Is the Mormon religions conception of God to be loved, what about the Islamic conception, or Hindu? Also – who is a neighbor? Jesus explained who a neighbor is, I believe Him because He is my God; would a Muslim, a Mormon, a Hindu?

Generalisms only create lovey soundbytes, but fail to get to the meat of the matter.
 
Unfortunately, one can’t love another truly without really knowing him/her. You say love God - who is God? Is the Mormon religions conception of God to be loved, what about the Islamic conception, or Hindu? Also – who is a neighbor? Jesus explained who a neighbor is, I believe Him because He is my God; would a Muslim, a Mormon, a Hindu?

Generalisms only create lovey soundbytes, but fail to get to the meat of the matter.
No, I’m not talking about them, Syro’, I’m talking about us. You and me. We believe in the exact same God, the exact same Jesus, and the exact same Spirit. We proclaim the the truth of Christ; Who He is, His death, and His physical resurrection.

It’s an odd thing for me to see the love of the God of the Bible mocked through mocking brothers and sisters in Christ commenting on unity. I guess that’s that.
 
No, I’m not talking about them, Syro’, I’m talking about us. You and me. We believe in the exact same God, the exact same Jesus, and the exact same Spirit. We proclaim the the truth of Christ; Who He is, His death, and His physical resurrection.

It’s an odd thing for me to see the love of the God of the Bible mocked through mocking brothers and sisters in Christ commenting on unity. I guess that’s that.
We don’t all agree on what Jesus accomplished, how He remains with us, what our relationship is to the Father via Christ and the Spirit, and how Christ impacted our relationship with those within His Body.
 
It’s an odd thing for me to see the love of the God of the Bible mocked through mocking brothers and sisters in Christ commenting on unity. I guess that’s that.
That would be me, I suppose.

The thing I’m trying to illustrate by “mocking” is the fuzzy-headed thinking which holds that it really doesn’t matter what we believe as long as we love Jesus…which sounds great until you realize that A) it doesn’t work in real life, and B) the scriptures actually refer to PERFECT unity.

We are called to a higher standard, and this is a classic case of the good being the enemy of the great.
 
And what of the verse I quoted? The Lord did not force a believer to follow the Apostles, and stopped the Apostles from interfering from another of His believers. We all recognize Jesus as the head of the church. Love between brethren is a sign that people are truly the disciples of Christ, and love between brethren is not restricted to the RCC, the last I checked, nor the fruits of the Spirit. There are Catholics who sit in judgment on protestants, and protestants on Catholics. Brothers and sisters spitting on each other.
Yes, Christ did not forbid those who did good in His name, but that does not mean they were united with Him either or received the bread of everlasting life. I do not say that non-Catholic can’t follow Christ, but rejecting His teachings is also not a sign of unity.

Loving one another is the greatest commandment, but it is not the only thing that Christ taught. I guess it really comes down to what we see as being faithful to Christ’s call. Do we take a minimalistic view or try to live in the fullness of His teachings? None of us measure up to what He asks of us, but personally I do not feel boiling down the faith to love one another and love God as being the fullest expression of faith. It is part of our shared faith to be sure, but can we ever be united if we don’t share a common understanding of what loving Christ requires of us?
 
This one **should **be enough. If you truly believe this you will be led by the Holy Spirit. God has already decided on these points.

Romans 10:9-10 English Standard Version (ESV)
9 because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved.

Peace to you.
Greetings Lek, The usage of “should” above does not make this very definitive? If the above verse were all it took to define unity, the early church heresy’s would not have been heresies. Do you believe Arianism, Docetism, or Macedonians were NOT heresies?

And you did not answer the question - who gets to decide this criteria?

Peace!!!
 
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