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Daniel_Boucher
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No, you are mistaken. They do not believe that Jesus Christ is God.
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Sailor_Kenshin
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Don’t put words in my mouth. Though they may not accept Christ the Saviour as divine, Jews believe in the God of Abraham.
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RosalieM
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I attended a Seder meal before I knew about Vatican II. I’m not a Hollywood actor or a big-timer in New York. I think the Passover seder is an endearing, lovely custom and I find your remarks about Jewish tradition rather biting and intolerant. I am 1/4 Russian Jew and I am a Catholic. Jesus was crucified at the same time the lambs were slaughtered for the Passover. There is so much linking Judiaism and Christianity. This is why we have something called the Judeo-Christian ethic.
I am grateful to have both traditions and feel I have both the old and new testament in my inheritance. How can anyone speak out against the Jews and their traditions (including a ridiculous reference to Satan of all things)? That is ignorance.
Pardon me, but some of my best friends are Jewish and I attend Mass at least a few times a week. I’m appalled by the OP’s remarks and am not subscribing to this thread. May the Lord give you enlightenment.
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NCSue
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I’m sorry, but Jesus was an observant Jew from a Jewish family. He celebrated the Jewish feasts and participated in Jewish customs. I simply can’t agree with this premise.
Peace.
Peace.
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foolishmortal
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I think it may be wrong because we are no longer waiting for the Christ’s first coming. His Body and Blood were given to us so that we would celebrate something new in Him. To celebrate a sedar meal, even to act it out, is sinful in my opinion now, because we should not feign the Passover in light of the Eucharist. Thank you for this post.
Thank you! That was the reason in the sermon, I believe. Words were put in my mouth as well by the Jewish guy. I did not call anyone Satanic. Biblical Judaism could not be continued as the temple was destroyed and God did not give instructions for a new one to be built or for other critical matter to be rewritten, as those rites were replaced by those which were given to the Apostles, his new priests of the New Covenant. Just because people are spiritually blind to the blinding of them by Satan to the redemption they have only yet to accept does not make those blind ones evil for not recognizing God’s graces. I believe separation from the Pope is of the inspiration of Satan, as the bishops are still our leaders and the fact is the fact that the TLM is not the ordinary rite, but the sedevacantists aren’t like Satanists.
I bet, though, that those who go to Seder meals, especially to ones hosted by Jews, don’t go to sedevacantist or SSPX services (are they Masses in the former case if a valid bishop doesn’t ordain you or if you are “Pope Mike”?) or hang out with those people. If you go to ones hosted by the Jews, you might as well attend sedevacantist events, as, in both cases, you’d be living out some part of Christianity’s heritage, though, as in Jewish services, it’s probably a corruption of what was in form and/or matter and you’d be giving support to people’s living in darkness. Doing it on your own wouldn’t be scandal, but it would not be the same thing. It would be like that David Spade movie where he tries to relive a childhood he never had.
I apologize if I called you all left-wingers, but I think sentimentalism affects the most devout and/or idealistic in some way.
Thank you! That was the reason in the sermon, I believe. Words were put in my mouth as well by the Jewish guy. I did not call anyone Satanic. Biblical Judaism could not be continued as the temple was destroyed and God did not give instructions for a new one to be built or for other critical matter to be rewritten, as those rites were replaced by those which were given to the Apostles, his new priests of the New Covenant. Just because people are spiritually blind to the blinding of them by Satan to the redemption they have only yet to accept does not make those blind ones evil for not recognizing God’s graces. I believe separation from the Pope is of the inspiration of Satan, as the bishops are still our leaders and the fact is the fact that the TLM is not the ordinary rite, but the sedevacantists aren’t like Satanists.
I bet, though, that those who go to Seder meals, especially to ones hosted by Jews, don’t go to sedevacantist or SSPX services (are they Masses in the former case if a valid bishop doesn’t ordain you or if you are “Pope Mike”?) or hang out with those people. If you go to ones hosted by the Jews, you might as well attend sedevacantist events, as, in both cases, you’d be living out some part of Christianity’s heritage, though, as in Jewish services, it’s probably a corruption of what was in form and/or matter and you’d be giving support to people’s living in darkness. Doing it on your own wouldn’t be scandal, but it would not be the same thing. It would be like that David Spade movie where he tries to relive a childhood he never had.
I apologize if I called you all left-wingers, but I think sentimentalism affects the most devout and/or idealistic in some way.
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Sailor_Kenshin
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Well, this is a first.
No one’s ever called me a left-winger before.
No one’s ever called me a left-winger before.
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chosen_people
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The ability to put words in your mouth on a written forum is just one more ominous example of the special underworld powers of “Jewish guys” and one more good reason for not wanting to share a meal with them. Now the passover seder recalls the going out of Egypt and in as much as that undermines Christianity ( the aftermath to both Christians and Christianity after attendance at a seder meal is indeed too horrifying and graphic to detail here) may I suggest refraining from reading from the book of Exodus or watching the movie the Ten Commandments. Of course the whole thing is a sham, as you pointed out, since the people claiming to be Jewish aren’t even really Jews after the destruction of the Second Temple (in just the same ways that they stopped being Jews after the destruction of the First Temple).
However the real question is: are Jews, who of course do not eat pork, more or less susceptible to swine flu?
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NCSue
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I can find nothing to say other than, “This is utterly ridiculous.”
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Sailor_Kenshin
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How about if I add a big MEGADITTOS here?
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dang71
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:bounce:
:bounce: this was hilarious!!
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NCSue
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Hilarious? Really?:bounce:
I thought it was repellant, bigoted, and hate-filled.
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Sailor_Kenshin
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Dohhh—I get it. I think it was meant as tongue-in-cheek.
Now I know why THESE were invented:
Now I know why THESE were invented:
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dang71
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i believe it was intended to be sarcastic
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NCSue
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I hope you’re right - I’d hate to think there are folks who can find such stuff even vaguely amusing.i believe it was intended to be sarcastic
Thanks for providing me with another way of looking at the comment.
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foolishmortal
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Watching a movie is one thing. OK, fine, but it was as much as the Gospels say and then usually Westernized, as it was likely they laid on their sides on some mat or cushion, as someone like Scott Hahn said in a talk, and not sitting down.
I am not against observing a funeral for Jewish, Muslim, etc. friends, but I don’t think actively participating in (doing a part in) a religious service of theirs would be ok.
Although my point about Wiccan friends’ events was that one would have to use the logic for attending a Wiccan event–that is, going to one to be ecumenical or learn about another faith by an experience of it. You can be ecumenical by accepting them as a brother, as God is the father of us all. Being nice and being known as one of your faith, is good enough and sharing your faith is an added bonus. We can read about their religion later or ask them about it, if we are not lukewarm in our faith.
Language, borders, culture. Well, the Eastern rites are fine with their languages as they are ancient and uniform amongst their people, but their Faith’s ultimate language is that of Rome’s. Borders is not playing a role in another religion’s (Protestantism being a false worship, as not authorized by him or his priesthood) rites. Culture is the kind we had prior to the demonic spirit of Vatican 2. I believe we made a mistake in trying to be accepted in America and we have sacrificed that culture, borders and language and its usage to appease people of non-Catholic faiths. We must feel free to say what needs be said and do what needs be done. If we are doing right, it will involve no slurs against those of other religions. “False worship” and “spiritually-blind”, as known as such to The faith are not slurs, but hard truths that have done outsiders or members no charity by their concealment. The former live in darkness; the latter play with that darkness, and get kids confused by their mixed marriage, get spouses being mad at The Church for not allowing intercommunion, and encourage the blindness of the non-Catholic parties by participating in their religious events (even if a Seder is not a rite, it is in the Bible, whereas a birthday party is not, and so it’s religious enough. We need to be a little more ghetto, according to the classic use of the word. If we had done so a decade or so ago, we wouldn’t have greatly helped elect a president and cabinet, who, with confused and birth-religion-hating Catholics (as well as those who loathe their ancient religion), may make us so. We need to be true to ourselves, as the radical liberals are true to theirs, a Masonic-originated, flesh-oriented, sentimentalism-rooted modernism.
This prominent Orthodox Jewish rabbi said, regarding the lifting of excommunication of four SSPX bishops that included one who believed not as many Jews died in the Halocaust, as is always said, that there’s liberals in positions in the Catholic Church and that they are preventing helpful things from happening to appease others. I’ve tried to work both sides before to make everything work out. It doesn’t work.
I am not against observing a funeral for Jewish, Muslim, etc. friends, but I don’t think actively participating in (doing a part in) a religious service of theirs would be ok.
Although my point about Wiccan friends’ events was that one would have to use the logic for attending a Wiccan event–that is, going to one to be ecumenical or learn about another faith by an experience of it. You can be ecumenical by accepting them as a brother, as God is the father of us all. Being nice and being known as one of your faith, is good enough and sharing your faith is an added bonus. We can read about their religion later or ask them about it, if we are not lukewarm in our faith.
Language, borders, culture. Well, the Eastern rites are fine with their languages as they are ancient and uniform amongst their people, but their Faith’s ultimate language is that of Rome’s. Borders is not playing a role in another religion’s (Protestantism being a false worship, as not authorized by him or his priesthood) rites. Culture is the kind we had prior to the demonic spirit of Vatican 2. I believe we made a mistake in trying to be accepted in America and we have sacrificed that culture, borders and language and its usage to appease people of non-Catholic faiths. We must feel free to say what needs be said and do what needs be done. If we are doing right, it will involve no slurs against those of other religions. “False worship” and “spiritually-blind”, as known as such to The faith are not slurs, but hard truths that have done outsiders or members no charity by their concealment. The former live in darkness; the latter play with that darkness, and get kids confused by their mixed marriage, get spouses being mad at The Church for not allowing intercommunion, and encourage the blindness of the non-Catholic parties by participating in their religious events (even if a Seder is not a rite, it is in the Bible, whereas a birthday party is not, and so it’s religious enough. We need to be a little more ghetto, according to the classic use of the word. If we had done so a decade or so ago, we wouldn’t have greatly helped elect a president and cabinet, who, with confused and birth-religion-hating Catholics (as well as those who loathe their ancient religion), may make us so. We need to be true to ourselves, as the radical liberals are true to theirs, a Masonic-originated, flesh-oriented, sentimentalism-rooted modernism.
This prominent Orthodox Jewish rabbi said, regarding the lifting of excommunication of four SSPX bishops that included one who believed not as many Jews died in the Halocaust, as is always said, that there’s liberals in positions in the Catholic Church and that they are preventing helpful things from happening to appease others. I’ve tried to work both sides before to make everything work out. It doesn’t work.
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Sailor_Kenshin
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THE SEDER IS NOT A RELIGIOUS SERVICE!!!
IT’s DINNER! :banghead:
Can we please at least make that distinction?
IT’s DINNER! :banghead:
Can we please at least make that distinction?
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sparksj3
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Three notes.
- The Sedar is indeed a ritual and follows the same rules as a liturgy. That it is also a meal does not at all detract from its ritual status. Our Jewish friends would be the first to strongly insist upon this.
- The modern Sedar was developed AFTER the destruction of the temple in 70AD.
- Even were it identical in form to the ancient Passover meal, it would be wrong to attend. In answer to the question “Whether since Christ’s Passion the legal ceremonies can be observed without committing mortal sin?”, St. Thomas answers:
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Cracker_Mom
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You can only try…
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Sailor_Kenshin
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sparksj3
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Are you denying that it is also a ritual that follows a certain liturgy? I’m quite familiar with a Sedar and it seems self evident that it is two things: 1) a meal, 2) a liturgical rite.
Just because something is a meal does not also mean that it is not a ritual act of a certain religion. Again, this is something that our Jewish friends would insist strongly upon. They do not see this as just any other meal, or as merely just a meal.
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