Christians--avoid seder meals

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It’s a ritualistic meal, unless you’re just doing a play, but the plays are usually The Last Supper. It’s not just a meal. I’m fine being friends with Jews or other different people (unless they’re smutty people) at a secular meal. You can do that anytime.

I’m also not anti-Jew (I respect the Orthodox and more conservative ones), Protestant (I think we should be more like the fundamentalists in worrying about the others’ souls, instead of having joint religious events and going to their rituals), Muslim and not even non-radical homosexuals (just the gay lifestyle). I don’t use derogatory slang about them either. I just believe we can have everything 100% Biblically, catechetically, and spiritually, which is received by us according to our soul’s openness to them. The others don’t have it and are in shades of darkness (on that note, I believe America is the best). Taking part in their rituals tells them OK or it lessens the significance of the communion they have with each other when they eat a ritualistic meal or a meal with a liturgy. We do neither them nor us any favors by going to their services.

catholicforum.fisheaters.com/index.php/topic,3380728.0.html Somebody wrote some fancy stuff in one or two messages. Maybe some of you can understand it and benefit.

I have no dog in the fight, personally, but I believe the previous sources (and maybe this one) I listed provide some room for concern. If a great many people are doing something forbidden, even if it must be deduced from parts of an authorized Catechism, I should share why. I am loyal to the cannots and must-dos spoken by the bishops, but the can dos and don’t have to dos by them have been very imprudent in the last 40 years. We need real theologians, like the two previous links’ authorities on these matters, to tell us should dos and should not dos and some cannot dos that are not explicitly understood from the Catechism, to avoid legalism for imprudent liberties. Still, if it is not changed that we cannot play roles in non-Catholic services, it stands to reason we still cannot. Vagaries don’t change those things.
 
‘Vagaries’ meaning what?

Extremely traditional priests like those on EWTN?

Hey, I just passed a rummage sale at a local temple. Maybe I should avoid that, too. :rolleyes:
 
What temple? Did God give any specific instructions for the building of one? Ours never were given plans for a church structure, but I don’t think a community center church or funky asymmetrical interiors or exteriors in church buildings lose the spirit of The Holy Sacrifice of the Mass in people’s minds unless a proper and liturgically-beautiful liturgy offsets that effect.
Anyway, I thought they just have synagogues. Though it’s a religion stuck in the past of God’s plan of salvation for mankind, why would you buy stuff in the temple? LOL
Well, I just wanted to inform people with info. (all else has just been an arguing game, though I’ve given serious counter-arguments for one not trained in debate) that combines parts of the Catechism to say we can’t be doing seder meals outside of maybe a play and that we really don’t know how it went anyway, unless it was written out by a contemporary of Christ. Our Mass is an adaptation of Melchiezedek’s, mixed with the Jewish Passover rites (the efficacy of which ended with Jesus) and added onto by Jesus and the priesthood he gave authority to bind and loose to, so we ought to reenact all of the Jews’ liturgies, right? Why be so selective?
It’s interesting how we fall over backwards not to say one thing that might upset them, so as to damage ecumenical “progress” or we get all over one who does and yet, they speak harshly of The Pope for omissions of contrition, when at the Halocaust Museum? Maybe Michael Medved and Michael Savage were not upset at him about these “omissions”, but you should have read what writers wrote on one website about The Vatican trying to make a deal with Israel to control the cenacle’s building. It sounded like everyone just finished reading "Hitler’s Pope! It doesn’t matter what Pope Pius 12th did for them and how some converted as a result and how a forest in Israel was given his last name. You can’t please everyone, so you have to say what is, is, sometimes, if it’s important information, of course. Charity is not the same thing as pampering egos. I treat people as people; not as Jews or Muslims or gays, unless it involves another’s version of handshaking or unless they get into a controversial discussion and make another’s orientation an issue. That’s all we need to do. We can say they are wrong about something because, if they have any sense of identity as such and such, they’ll find us to be wrong too and will probably talk about it amongst themselves, as we do here. In fact, going to their seders may not allow them to talk freely about stuff like the Halocaust or the sacking of Jerusalem, that’s on their minds.
 
foolishmortal said:
What temple? Did God give any specific instructions for the building of one? Ours never were given plans for a church structure, but I don’t think a community center church or funky asymmetrical interiors or exteriors in church buildings lose the spirit of The Holy Sacrifice of the Mass in people’s minds unless a proper and liturgically-beautiful liturgy offsets that effect.
Anyway, I thought they just have synagogues. Though it’s a religion stuck in the past of God’s plan of salvation for mankind, why would you buy stuff in the temple? LOL
Well, I just wanted to inform people with info. (all else has just been an arguing game, though I’ve given serious counter-arguments for one not trained in debate) that combines parts of the Catechism to say we can’t be doing seder meals outside of maybe a play and that we really don’t know how it went anyway, unless it was written out by a contemporary of Christ. Our Mass is an adaptation of Melchiezedek’s, mixed with the Jewish Passover rites (the efficacy of which ended with Jesus) and added onto by Jesus and the priesthood he gave authority to bind and loose to, so we ought to reenact all of the Jews’ liturgies, right? Why be so selective?
It’s interesting how we fall over backwards not to say one thing that might upset them, so as to damage ecumenical “progress” or we get all over one who does and yet, they speak harshly of The Pope for omissions of contrition, when at the Halocaust Museum? Maybe Michael Medved and Michael Savage were not upset at him about these “omissions”, but you should have read what writers wrote on one website about The Vatican trying to make a deal with Israel to control the cenacle’s building. It sounded like everyone just finished reading "Hitler’s Pope! It doesn’t matter what Pope Pius 12th did for them and how some converted as a result and how a forest in Israel was given his last name. You can’t please everyone, so you have to say what is, is, sometimes, if it’s important information, of course. Charity is not the same thing as pampering egos. I treat people as people; not as Jews or Muslims or gays, unless it involves another’s version of handshaking or unless they get into a controversial discussion and make another’s orientation an issue. That’s all we need to do. We can say they are wrong about something because, if they have any sense of identity as such and such, they’ll find us to be wrong too and will probably talk about it amongst themselves, as we do here. In fact, going to their seders may not allow them to talk freely about stuff like the Halocaust or the sacking of Jerusalem, that’s on their minds.
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We used to have a seder meal at our local parish until the bishop stopped it because he had some negative feedback from the Jewish community. I guess they thought it might be disrespectful or something.
I really enjoyed it & our kids learned a lot about the Old Testament.Acting out something is a much better way to learn history.
 
Yeah, no one here is replacing the Mass with a Seder—and I was just a guest in a private home.

I avoided the rummage sale so I guess that means I’m ‘saved.’ By the way, our parish has a rummage sale, too, but it’s held in the parish center.

Some people might be horrified.
 
foolishmortal said:
What temple? Did God give any specific instructions for the building of one? Ours never were given plans for a church structure, but I don’t think a community center church or funky asymmetrical interiors or exteriors in church buildings lose the spirit of The Holy Sacrifice of the Mass in people’s minds unless a proper and liturgically-beautiful liturgy offsets that effect.
Anyway, I thought they just have synagogues. Though it’s a religion stuck in the past of God’s plan of salvation for mankind, why would you buy stuff in the temple? LOL
Well, I just wanted to inform people with info. (all else has just been an arguing game, though I’ve given serious counter-arguments for one not trained in debate) that combines parts of the Catechism to say we can’t be doing seder meals outside of maybe a play and that we really don’t know how it went anyway, unless it was written out by a contemporary of Christ. Our Mass is an adaptation of Melchiezedek’s, mixed with the Jewish Passover rites (the efficacy of which ended with Jesus) and added onto by Jesus and the priesthood he gave authority to bind and loose to, so we ought to reenact all of the Jews’ liturgies, right? Why be so selective?
It’s interesting how we fall over backwards not to say one thing that might upset them, so as to damage ecumenical “progress” or we get all over one who does and yet, they speak harshly of The Pope for omissions of contrition, when at the Halocaust Museum? Maybe Michael Medved and Michael Savage were not upset at him about these “omissions”, but you should have read what writers wrote on one website about The Vatican trying to make a deal with Israel to control the cenacle’s building. It sounded like everyone just finished reading "Hitler’s Pope! It doesn’t matter what Pope Pius 12th did for them and how some converted as a result and how a forest in Israel was given his last name. You can’t please everyone, so you have to say what is, is, sometimes, if it’s important information, of course. Charity is not the same thing as pampering egos. I treat people as people; not as Jews or Muslims or gays, unless it involves another’s version of handshaking or unless they get into a controversial discussion and make another’s orientation an issue. That’s all we need to do. We can say they are wrong about something because, if they have any sense of identity as such and such, they’ll find us to be wrong too and will probably talk about it amongst themselves, as we do here. In fact, going to their seders may not allow them to talk freely about stuff like the Halocaust or the sacking of Jerusalem, that’s on their minds.
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We never talk about how much the latest game version of Halo costs at the Passover Seder and the reference to Jerusalem at the Seder is “next year in a built Jerusalem” the antithesis to the “sacking” of Jerusalem. However, if we deemed it worthy to discuss these subjects we would have no qualms about talking freely on these matters with our guests, even those of different religious beliefs.

I am glad that you are able to treat Jews, Muslims and Gays as if they were people and it shows a true generosity of spirit on your part which is matched only by your obvious erudition.

I can understand your reticence about purchasing articles for sale by Jews at a Temple (the Jewish reform movement refers to their synagogues as temples). Indeed, not only has the article been exposed to Jews, there always exists the real possibility that the Jew is also gay.
 
Why? Whats the point. Its all where you put your trust. I don’t need it, I need Jesus.
 
I don’t know why Jews are eating wood chips anyway. Get it? Laughing!

Seriously, what is the meaning of a shabbat (sp?)
 
foolishmortal said:
I don’t know why Jews are eating wood chips anyway. Get it? Laughing!

Seriously, what is the meaning of a shabbat (sp?)
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No, I don’t get it. It seems more disparaging than comical to me.

“But seriously”, “Shabbat” means “Sabbath”. Jesus - who was raised in a devout Jewish family - would have been quite familiar with the word. To quote from an online souce:

Shabbat is the Jewish name for Sabbath, and is observed weekly. It begins at sundown on Friday and ends at sundown on Saturday. It is inexorably tied to the “seventh day” in the Torah where God rested after creating the earth. Observance of Shabbat is observance of that day of rest, among other things.

Jews from different sects observe Shabbat in different ways. For example, one prescriptive of Shabbat is that no work be done between Friday night and Saturday evening. Conservative and Orthodox Jews may include in the definition, turning on a light or driving a car, as types of work. As well, cooking is work, so meals must be prepared in advance of Shabbat.
 
“Seder” sounds like “cedar”. Why is it discouraging? Does ecumenism make everyone stiff like this?
 
foolishmortal said:
“Seder” sounds like “cedar”. Why is it discouraging? Does ecumenism make everyone stiff like this?
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I think the problem is that the word seder (like redder with an “s” instead of an “r”) does not sound like cedar ( like reader with a soft c or s instead of an r).
 
My fault. It must be how I’ve heard the word. In any case. my intention was to make a joke. No one has to follow-up on it if they don’t want to, but I thank those who gave info.
 
foolishmortal said:
My fault. It must be how I’ve heard the word. In any case. my intention was to make a joke. No one has to follow-up on it if they don’t want to, but I thank those who gave info.
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Well to be fair it’s possible that given different regional accents in areas of the United States the words seder and cedar might both be being pronounced (incorrectly) as something similar to “sayder”. Of course that might also be the way they pronounce the word cider 🙂
 
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