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Exton, Pa., Apr 15, 2010 / 06:10 am (CNA/EWTN News).- Catholic speaker Christopher West has taken a six-month sabbatical at the Theology of the Body Institute after mutual agreement with the Institute’s board of directors. The popular presenter cited family obligations and the need to reflect on advice he has received about his teaching methods.

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How different than certain other catholics in the public eye who’ve received criticism and/or food for thought. 👍

You gotta love humility. Everybody loves an endangered species…
 
I agree. I give him credit for taking the time to think about his teaching methods, assuming this was his decision. I have personally never liked the tone of his teaching and felt he was trying too hard to be “hip” and “cool”. This is a very difficult subject to approach, and I think it must be done with reverence and respect, and I didn’t get too much of that from his style. He would do well to study Pope John Paul II’s methods. I know it was JP II’s teachings that West was promoting, but he needs to tone down the style.
 
Exton, Pa., Apr 15, 2010 / 06:10 am (CNA/EWTN News).- Catholic speaker Christopher West has taken a six-month sabbatical at the Theology of the Body Institute after mutual agreement with the Institute’s board of directors. The popular presenter cited family obligations and the need to reflect on advice he has received about his teaching methods.http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/catholicnewsagency/dailynews/~4/nzknd0tukA4

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Now is the time for great caution and scrutiny with regards to all those speaking in the public square in the name of the Roman Catholic Church. This is a time when image and message must be completely conformed to the Magisterium. No loose cannons need to to be unleashed upon the scene at this critical time.

Conversely, the Church needs for those with clearly evident charisms for preaching to be identified and given visible platforms which can best maximize their gifts. Also, we need to see and hear from, and read about, the multidude of humble, grace-imbued nuns, monks, hermits, missionaries, etc., who are contemporaneously out there, doing the hard work of the Lord, laboring in obscurity. We need to see our modern day saints. There number is greater than anyone knows.

Anectdotally, I must relate a little story. I was sitting on the couch and had just switched the T.V. channel to EWTN. My wife walked past, looked at the T.V., listened for a minute, then grabbed the clicker out of my hands and abruptly changed the channel. Shocked, I asked, “Why did you do that?”, she anwered, without hesitation, “I’m tired of hearing gay-sounding priests. It is not helpful right now”. Now, my wife is a woman of the world who travels the country on a weekly basis and hears alot more bashing than I do, and is quite sophisticated, but she is a devout Roman Catholic, and a fierce defender of the faith. So, I sort of gave her a look that called on her to expound a bit, and she added, " Where are all the Fulton Sheen’s?" I was silent. Who could answer that question; I certainly can not. It appears that image really does matter. I make no judgement here, I merely offer up some food for thought.
 
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I give him credit … assuming this was his decision…
Must you? Which is worse, being overly flamboyant in teaching style or making uncharitable innuendos?

I mean really, who else could make the decision? He could very easily do the Hans Kung / Charlie Curran thing and fill up speaking engagements and get book deals entirely on his own reputation at this point if he wanted to. He easily has the exposure critical mass now to go his own way if he were that kind of guy. By far the only reasonable explanation for the fact of his obedience is that he is NOT that kind of guy.
 
I think that this move shows his humility and integrity.
He has been working and speaking for so long, a little time apart and rest may refresh his perspective. I think his work has been a gift to the Church. He has saved lives and marriages in my book. I know all the insults about his approach that float around, but in my book this man speaks the truth. May God continue to bless him.
 
Must you? Which is worse, being overly flamboyant in teaching style or making uncharitable innuendos?

I mean really, who else could make the decision? He could very easily do the Hans Kung / Charlie Curran thing and fill up speaking engagements and get book deals entirely on his own reputation at this point if he wanted to. He easily has the exposure critical mass now to go his own way if he were that kind of guy. By far the only reasonable explanation for the fact of his obedience is that he is NOT that kind of guy.
There is no need to attack me. Neither you nor I know for certain what happened here, but as I say, if he was the one who chose to step down for a while, I give him credit. I realize there are many, many people who really like Christopher West and that he has helped many, and I’m glad for that. But he needs to fine tune things, and I believe that is what he is doing.
 
Let us all pray that the Holy Spirit guide him and give him the wisdom to make “Godly”
decisions.
 
Now is the time for great caution and scrutiny with regards to all those speaking in the public square in the name of the Roman Catholic Church. This is a time when image and message must be completely conformed to the Magisterium. No loose cannons need to to be unleashed upon the scene at this critical time.

Conversely, the Church needs for those with clearly evident charisms for preaching to be identified and given visible platforms which can best maximize their gifts. Also, we need to see and hear from, and read about, the multidude of humble, grace-imbued nuns, monks, hermits, missionaries, etc., who are contemporaneously out there, doing the hard work of the Lord, laboring in obscurity. We need to see our modern day saints. There number is greater than anyone knows.

Anectdotally, I must relate a little story. I was sitting on the couch and had just switched the T.V. channel to EWTN. My wife walked past, looked at the T.V., listened for a minute, then grabbed the clicker out of my hands and abruptly changed the channel. Shocked, I asked, “Why did you do that?”, she anwered, without hesitation, “I’m tired of hearing gay-sounding priests. It is not helpful right now”. Now, my wife is a woman of the world who travels the country on a weekly basis and hears alot more bashing than I do, and is quite sophisticated, but she is a devout Roman Catholic, and a fierce defender of the faith. So, I sort of gave her a look that called on her to expound a bit, and she added, " Where are all the Fulton Sheen’s?" I was silent. Who could answer that question; I certainly can not. It appears that image really does matter. I make no judgement here, I merely offer up some food for thought.
I don’t think I’ve ever watched EWTN and thought that the priests I’ve seen on there sounded gay. I’ve never come away with that image of any of them. How odd.
 
I agree. I give him credit for taking the time to think about his teaching methods, assuming this was his decision. I have personally never liked the tone of his teaching and felt he was trying too hard to be “hip” and “cool”. This is a very difficult subject to approach, and I think it must be done with reverence and respect, and I didn’t get too much of that from his style. He would do well to study Pope John Paul II’s methods. I know it was JP II’s teachings that West was promoting, but he needs to tone down the style.
As a teenage cafeteria Catholic who wallowed with glee in every kind of unchastity, I wonder if someone who did not speak in West’s would have caught my attention, kept it and made me want to live it out. As far as I’m concerned, he is “hip” and he is “cool”. Pretty much thanks to him, I’m doing a postgraduate MA Theology next year, a PhD the year after and then will lecture and research, possibly on Chrysostom’s views of sexuality. Catholicism is mediterranean sunshine, we don’t always need to be po-faced about it, especially with cafeterias like I was.
 
Some people find Mr. West’s style to be too abrasive. I have only heard his CDs. I don’t know if he comes across differently when he does a live presentation. I have not heard anything on the CDs that I find abrasive.

I could point to a few details in his delivery on which he should work. But in fairness to Mr. West and some other lay preachers out there, I have to admit that I have an advantage over them. I had two years of homiletics in the seminary and Mr. West did not. Also, young people do stop and listen when he speaks. People who have heard him speak say that he has a charismatic personality. In addition, no one has ever found fault in the theological content of his talks. There are some people who say that he fails to mention the sinful nature of man when it comes to human sexuality. But the fact is that Pope John Paul did not go deeply into that area. Pope John Paul wrote Theology of the Body from an eschatological perspective. In the eschaton, there is no sin. One can argue that when using Pope John Paul’s material that point should also be made, the point on sin. But that’s not a theological flaw. That would be an addendum that we would like to make to the original document, which is OK. There is nothing wrong with that.

The fact that Mr. West and the Institute have agreed on a one year sabbatical to take care of family and to reflect on the fraternal corrections given, speaks well of both parties. I would like to see Mr. West and many other lay people teach Theology of the Body. I believe that people listen more when it comes from a lay person. I work a lot on Chastity Days for youth and a woman in our Respect Life Office does this part. She’s excellent at it. I believe that lay people can do this presentation very well, if they studied the document very carefully and had some coaching from a theologian. This is what my colleague and I do. She does the presentation and I serve as the theological consultant when she’s putting it together.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
I read his “good news about sex and marraige” book. I didn’t find it particularly illuminating or convincing, but it seems a lot of people get something out of it.

I’m surprised at the above comment about EWTN priests seem “gay.” Especially when juxtaposed with longing for Fulton Sheen. I like Fulton Sheen, but come on, your wife really finds overly made-up men dressed to the nines who prance around the screen to be pillars of straightness?
 
I read his “good news about sex and marraige” book. I didn’t find it particularly illuminating or convincing, but it seems a lot of people get something out of it.

I’m surprised at the above comment about EWTN priests seem “gay.” Especially when juxtaposed with longing for Fulton Sheen. I like Fulton Sheen, but come on, your wife really finds overly made-up men dressed to the nines who prance around the screen to be pillars of straightness?
With all due respect, Archbishop Sheen was not dressed to the nines and as to prancing, I have always seen him lecturing and he was very animated. The Archbishop wore the traditional clothing worn by bishops of his day. Today, this type of garb is reserved for ceremony, though the cassock with the appropriately colored sash are still worn by secular bishops and cardinals. Religious bishops and cardinals wear the habits of their orders.

These robes were very straight. They were the robes worn by princes and kings for centuries. In fact, the Eastern Catholic bishops still dress in robes and veils or turbans, instead oa a cassock and suchetto as do the Romans.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
Anectdotally, I must relate a little story. I was sitting on the couch and had just switched the T.V. channel to EWTN. My wife walked past, looked at the T.V., listened for a minute, then grabbed the clicker out of my hands and abruptly changed the channel. Shocked, I asked, “Why did you do that?”, she anwered, without hesitation, “I’m tired of hearing gay-sounding priests. It is not helpful right now”. Now, my wife is a woman of the world who travels the country on a weekly basis and hears alot more bashing than I do, and is quite sophisticated, but she is a devout Roman Catholic, and a fierce defender of the faith. So, I sort of gave her a look that called on her to expound a bit, and she added, " Where are all the Fulton Sheen’s?" I was silent. Who could answer that question; I certainly can not. It appears that image really does matter. I make no judgement here, I merely offer up some food for thought.
I don’t know if your wife was referring to the friars or some other priest. But it may help your wife if you explained to her that the friars are Franciscans. They are part of the Franciscan reform, which says that we must go back to the original rules and admonitions of St. Francis written in 1209.

St. Francis demanded that the friars preach and teach in the most gentle manner and tone. We were always to come across as very mild mannered men. You’ll notice that most Franciscans are not as animated as a Fr. Corapi or the Archbishop. It’s inappropriate for the friars. The friars are to mimick the style of St. Francis by his own command. This was lost somewhere over the years. I believe the reason was that many of our men in the USA came from immigrant families. These were farmers, manual workers, and other kinds of laborers.

Today the emphasis that Popes John XXIII, Paul VI, John Paul II and Benedict XVI is that the Franciscans return to the primitive style of St. Francis, both in ministry, demeanor and lifestyle. There is a certain gentleness that is very much a part of Francis’ preaching and speaking. It’s hard to explain.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
With all due respect, Archbishop Sheen was not dressed to the nines and as to prancing, I have always seen him lecturing and he was very animated. The Archbishop wore the traditional clothing worn by bishops of his day. Today, this type of garb is reserved for ceremony, though the cassock with the appropriately colored sash are still worn by secular bishops and cardinals. Religious bishops and cardinals wear the habits of their orders.

These robes were very straight. They were the robes worn by princes and kings for centuries. In fact, the Eastern Catholic bishops still dress in robes and veils or turbans, instead oa a cassock and suchetto as do the Romans.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
Hello Brother, thank you for your comments. I didn’t mean to convey that I find anything amiss with the way the Archbishop dressed and conducted himself. I’ve always admired him and enjoyed his speaking style.
However, I do think that his mannerisms were a bit effeminate by today’s standards and that he positively sashayed when he walked. If he were to flip his wrist and say “oh you guys” in the middle of his monologue it would not seem out of place. Personally, i think this worked for him. I don’t think it says anything about his sexuality as many men are a bit dramatic and theatrical, whether gay or straight. I find his style engaging and genuine.

My point in bringing this was that I found the comment about priests on EWTN seeming “gay” to be odd. Especially when it contrasted them with someone who’s lectured in this manner. It struck me as reading a bit too much into things. that’s all.
 
Hello Brother, thank you for your comments. I didn’t mean to convey that I find anything amiss with the way the Archbishop dressed and conducted himself. I’ve always admired him and enjoyed his speaking style.
However, I do think that his mannerisms were a bit effeminate by today’s standards and that he positively sashayed when he walked. If he were to flip his wrist and say “oh you guys” in the middle of his monologue it would not seem out of place. Personally, i think this worked for him. I don’t think it says anything about his sexuality as many men are a bit dramatic and theatrical, whether gay or straight. I find his style engaging and genuine.

My point in bringing this was that I found the comment about priests on EWTN seeming “gay” to be odd. Especially when it contrasted them with someone who’s lectured in this manner.** It struck me as reading a bit too much into things. that’s all**.
The bold is mine. Before speaking to it, thank you for your kind response. Now to the bold. I do agree with you. We are becoming hyper vigilant. We went from a society that did not pay enough attention to subtleties to one that pays too much attention to the insignficant. That makes us hyper vigilant. We read too much into things. We have to find balance or we lose our inner silence. Without inner silence we cannot pray properly.

Freud once said “Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.”

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
I thought it was Karl Jung who said that (part of the reason him and Freud had a falling out).
I thought it was Freud, but you may be right. The fact is that sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. We should not read too much into everything.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
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