Christ's sacrafice

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jonfawkes said:
No I’m saying that God doesn’t have limitations, yet he chose a word of duality and sin for us to inhabit. He didn’t have to. He created us in grace and then let it fall Apart.
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The belief that God created sin or evil has been anathematized by the Church.
If this is what you believe you stand in opposition to the Church and are a Formal Heretic.
Please stop referring to yourself as a Catholic, or recieving the Eucharist until you repent and go to confession.

I have begun to doubt your quest for truth as you have been confronted with it over several days and have rejected it.

Anathema sit.
 
No not what I’m saying. Adam before the fall - what was wrong with that?
 
jonfawkes said:
No not what I’m saying. Adam before the fall - what was wrong with that?
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Do you mean what was wrong with the world before the Fall? If so it had the physical conditions and limitations that exist today. The lion did not lie down with the lamb…
 
The lion doesn’t lie down with the lamb now- If Adam was in a state of grace before and God allowed us to fall only to save us what is the point of the fall? You are just back to go.
 
jonfawkes said:
The lion doesn’t lie down with the lamb now- If Adam was in a state of grace before and God allowed us to fall only to save us what is the point of the fall? You are just back to go.
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The point of the fall is that we are genuinely in control of our destiny. We are not compelled to do what is good, right and just. Whether we are saved or not still depends on us. God’s infinite love never ceases to offer us every means of turning over a new leaf and living for others rather than ourselves…

We are not just back to go. We now have the example of Christ to follow.
 
Yes, the “back to go” is a state of grace. What was once given we have to now work for through over following of Christs example. Same “result” but with more work.
 
jonfawkes said:
Yes, the “back to go” is a state of grace. What was once given we have to now work for through over following of Christs example. Same “result” but with more work.
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Grace is always a gift. You do not earn it you cooperate with it.
 
Yes the condition is that the gift must be unwrapped for it to be enjoyed. Or simply to know what the gift is.
 
Inhimthroughher said:
What you say is true, but it does not make what I said a fallacy. Please explain.
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If two things are contradictive, then both cannot be true - follow? You said what I stated was true therefore what you stated must be false because they are opposed to each other.

I believe God is the only one that can make two things seem contradictive and both be true and perhaps it is because He is outside of time and space and can intervene in it anytime He choses. For example who wrote the Bible men or God? Both, men put pen to the parchment under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, who is the actually author writing through men.
 
jonfawkes said:
by creating good he creates the absence of of good. you can’t have a light without a dark to stick it in.
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Jesus was told by someone “Good Teacher” and He replied that only God was “good”. Since God is good and God was not created, then good is not a created thing.

In Genesis, when God created He looked upon what He created and said it was “good” and when He finished He stated “it was very good”; so God determined at the beginning the definition of what was good and the antithesis of that which He defines as good is evil. God allowed evil so we can distinguish that which is good between that which is not good which allows Him to display His nature and character to His creatures for His glory. F We would not know what is holy, just and good if God had not only defined it, but allowed those that oppose these characteristics to be revealed. Remember it is all to display His glory, He created vessels for destruction as well as vessels for Mercy in either case He gets the glory.
 
then all of creation is God - God said it was good- Jesus said only God is Good.
 
jonfawkes said:
then all of creation is God - God said it was good- Jesus said only God is Good.
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That doesn’t make any sense. So everything that shares something is one. All things that are black are one?

Things are good because they correspond the mind that created and desired them. They are not good in as far as they do not.

You are trying to argue good and evil but have yet to give your definition of them.

Still waiting on your definition of evil…a definition of good would also help…
 
Since God is good and God was not created, then good is not a created thing.
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In Genesis, when God created He looked upon what He created and said it was “good” and when He finished He stated “it was very good”; so God determined at the beginning the definition of what was good and the antithesis of that which He defines as good is evil.
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I am following your logic here - God is good, God is not created , God creates and calls it good. Good is not created only God is Good. Creation must also be God.

Yes, all black things are black -:rolleyes:

The definition of evil is the same one you are using - the absence of good.
 
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