Church assailed as "house of hate"!

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We get enough from the secularists that “gays”, a foolish term, are victims. We need more from the Church that those who promote homosexual behavior are wrong and they are leading others into sin and confusion.

Part of the homosexual culture is this victimhood syndrome. They like the attention. They want victimhood status.

 

[condan]

rainn.org/statistics.html#criminal

In one study, 98% of males who raped boys reported that they were heterosexual. [Sexual Abuse of Boys, Journal of the American Medical Association, December 2, 1998]

Then why in the world did they rape boys? If they were heterosexual, the logical object for their perverted and evil desires would be girl children.

 

[Matt25]

condan:

Then why in the world did they rape boys? If they were heterosexual, the logical object for their perverted and evil desires would be girl children.

Possibly because being paedophiles the main object of their desires was children not adults of either sex.

ncptsd.org/facts/specific/fs_male_sexual_assault.html

Who are the perpetrators of male sexual assault?

Those who sexually assault men or boys differ in a number of ways from those who assault only females.

Boys are more likely than girls to be sexually abused by strangers or by authority figures in organizations such as schools, the church, or athletics programs.

Those who sexually assault males usually choose young men and male adolescents (the average age is 17 years old) as their victims and are more likely to assault many victims, compared to those who sexually assault females.

Perpetrators often assault young males in isolated areas where help is not readily available. For instance, a perpetrator who assaults males may pick up a teenage hitchhiker on a remote road or find some other way to isolate his intended victim.

As is true about those who assault and sexually abuse women and girls, most perpetrators of males are men. Specifically, men are perpetrators in about 86% of male victimization cases.

Despite popular belief that only gay men would sexually assault men or boys, most male perpetrators identify themselves as heterosexuals and often have consensual sexual relationships with women.

Another myth that male victims of sexual assault face is the assumption that they will become abusers themselves. For instance, they may have heard that survivors of sexual abuse tend to repeat the cycle of abuse by abusing children themselves. Some research has shown that men who were sexually abused by men during their childhood have a greater number of sexual thoughts and fantasies about sexual contact with male children and adolescents. However, it is important to know that** most male victims of child sexual abuse do not become sex offenders**.

Furthermore, many male perpetrators do not have a history of child sexual abuse. Rather, sexual offenders more often grew up in families where they suffered from several other forms of abuse, such as physical and emotional. Men who assault others also have difficulty with empathy, and thus put their own needs above the needs of their victims.

medem.com/medlb/article_detaillb.cfm?article_ID=ZZZUZRUZGLC&sub_cat=355

The Characteristics of Pedophilia

According to the DSM-IV definition, pedophilia involves sexual activity by an adult with a prepubescent child. Some individuals prefer females, usually 8- to 10-year-olds. Those attracted to males usually prefers slightly older children. Some prefer both sexes. While some are sexually attracted only to children, others also are sometimes attracted to adults.

 

[condan]

Matt25:

…Those who sexually assault males usually choose young men and male adolescents (the average age is 17 years old) as their victims and are more likely to assault many victims, compared to those who sexually assault females.

First things first. A 17 year old male is, generally speaking, a young man. A young man who can physically defend himself so it is not “assault” in the classic sense of the word. It is seduction. And, it is homosexual seduction. This is NOT pedophelia. It is ephebophelia, the sexual attraction to post-pubescent boys.
Matt 25:

… Specifically, men are perpetrators in about 86% of male victimization cases.

And it NOT a gay thing??? C’mon!
Matt 25:

Despite popular belief that only gay men would sexually assault men or boys, most male perpetrators identify themselves as heterosexuals and often have consensual sexual relationships with women.

I don’t care what you identify yourself as, if you’re having sexual concact with males, you are, at the very least, bi-sexual (which is what most, if not all, homosexual men are in reality. Just ask Rev. V. Eugene Robinson and New Jersey’s esteemed governor Jim McGreevey.).
Matt 25:

Another myth that male victims of sexual assault face is the assumption that they will become abusers themselves. For instance, they may have heard that survivors of sexual abuse tend to repeat the cycle of abuse by abusing children themselves. Some research has shown that men who were sexually abused by men during their childhood have a greater number of sexual thoughts and fantasies about sexual contact with male children and adolescents. However, it is important to know that** most male victims of child sexual abuse do not** become sex offenders.

The question is: How many sex offenders were abused as children? The answer is “most”.

The Characteristics of Pedophilia

According to the DSM-IV definition, pedophilia involves sexual activity by an adult with a prepubescent child. Some individuals prefer females, usually 8- to 10-year-olds. Those attracted to males usually prefers slightly older children. Some prefer both sexes. While some are sexually attracted only to children, others also are sometimes attracted to adults.

 

[condan]

Matt25:

The Characteristics of Pedophilia

According to the DSM-IV definition, pedophilia involves sexual activity by an adult with a prepubescent child. Some individuals prefer females, usually 8- to 10-year-olds. Those attracted to males usually prefers slightly older children. Some prefer both sexes. While some are sexually attracted only to children, others also are sometimes attracted to adults.

How old is a “slightly older” child? Would that be about 13 perhaps? Or 15? Or, is it as you stated previously…17?

 

[stellina]

Getting back to the original topic… Homosexuals are well-organized and very vocal, something that wasn’t true even a generation ago, and there is absolutely no doubt that the Catholic Church is high on their list of enemies. Look at the hateful, childish antics of the gay pride parade in New York & what they do in front of St. Patrick’s Cathedral. There are many more incidents that serve as evidence that these organizations are looking to damage the Church whose position on homosexuality has always been consistent.

That being said, the more I consider the issue, the more I am convinced that homosexuality is a very complex problem which can’t be attributed either solely to genetics or environmental factors. I’m also increasingly of the opinion that it is indeed an affliction or type of psychological disorder. I had to think hard about this when, several years ago, a couple of my long-standing male friends “came out”. At the time, I was younger & more open to the idea that it wasn’t all that bad, but over the years I’ve noticed that these particular friends are deeply unhappy people and their “lifestyle” definitely has something to do with it. They don’t claim to be victims and they are both accepted, quite ironically, by their devout Catholic families who must be living out the “love the sinner, hate the sin” adage. The current societal climate which seems not only to accept but celebrate the gay lifestyle doesn’t seem to change this fact, which only reinforces my belief that these people are tormented by the inner knowledge that something is indeed wrong with them. A sad situation, and most deserving of our prayers but not our capitulation into condoning such behavior or claiming it to be normal, because obviously that hasn’t helped.

 

[Matt25]

condan:

The question is: How many sex offenders were abused as children? The answer is “most”.

Prove it

 

[condan]

stellina:

Getting back to the original topic… Homosexuals are well-organized and very vocal, something that wasn’t true even a generation ago, and there is absolutely no doubt that the Catholic Church is high on their list of enemies. Look at the hateful, childish antics of the gay pride parade in New York & what they do in front of St. Patrick’s Cathedral. There are many more incidents that serve as evidence that these organizations are looking to damage the Church whose position on homosexuality has always been consistent.

That being said, the more I consider the issue, the more I am convinced that homosexuality is a very complex problem which can’t be attributed either solely to genetics or environmental factors. I’m also increasingly of the opinion that it is indeed an affliction or type of psychological disorder. I had to think hard about this when, several years ago, a couple of my long-standing male friends “came out”. At the time, I was younger & more open to the idea that it wasn’t all that bad, but over the years I’ve noticed that these particular friends are deeply unhappy people and their “lifestyle” definitely has something to do with it. They don’t claim to be victims and they are both accepted, quite ironically, by their devout Catholic families who must be living out the “love the sinner, hate the sin” adage. The current societal climate which seems not only to accept but celebrate the gay lifestyle doesn’t seem to change this fact, which only reinforces my belief that these people are tormented by the inner knowledge that something is indeed wrong with them. A sad situation, and most deserving of our prayers but not our capitulation into condoning such behavior or claiming it to be normal, because obviously that hasn’t helped.

Excellent observation. As a parent, you obviously love the sinner and hate the sin but that doesn’t change the fact that it is sin. We are called to condemn all sin, not just some sin. Sometimes it is very difficult to do, especially when it involves people that we love.

Further, we all struggle with some form of sin. It may be addiction, be it to food, prescription drugs, alcohol, cigarettes, pornography, whatever… It may be not putting God first in our lives. There are a myriad of possibilities so we are all tormented, to some degree, with inner struggles.

Then there are those people who do have something wrong with them, a physical disability that is obvious and life-altering. Those people struggle with obstacles far greater than those that any homosexual can imagine. So, we all have our cross to bear, we all have our inner struggles and torments. It is how we react to our cross, how we share our cross with our Savior that either breaks us or makes us one in communion with our Lord.

So, if a homosexual is struggling with his inner turmoil, he is called, just as the rest of us are, to turn away from his sin and and turn to Jesus Christ. That is redemption. The homosexual is not somehow immune from that call. And, if he or she chooses not to turn away from sin, then he is at least, by the laws of civility and for the better of society, bound by human decency to recognize that himself as a sinner and not to foist his lifestyle on us in the sham of “intolerance”, “diversity”, “civil rights” or whatever current buzzword you care to use.

 

[Exporter]

Matt25:

Yes you should. Which bit of the Catechism do you most disagree with
The Catechism says this~
scborromeo.org/ccc/p3s2c2a6.htm
2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. **They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. **These persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord’s Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.

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Matt 25, you should have read the next paragraph. It starts like this. “Homosexual persons are CALLED TO CHASTITY.” Read all of it.

 

[Lisa_N]

stellina:

Getting back to the original topic… Homosexuals are well-organized and very vocal, something that wasn’t true even a generation ago, and there is absolutely no doubt that the Catholic Church is high on their list of enemies. Look at the hateful, childish antics of the gay pride parade in New York & what they do in front of St. Patrick’s Cathedral. There are many more incidents that serve as evidence that these organizations are looking to damage the Church whose position on homosexuality has always been consistent…

Good point. Amazing how the ‘tolerance crowd’ does not demonstrate any tolerance or respect for an opposing point of view. Apparently some billboards that portrayed former homosexuals who escaped ‘the life’ have been defaced and called hateful.

stellina:

That being said, the more I consider the issue, the more I am convinced that homosexuality is a very complex problem which can’t be attributed either solely to genetics or environmental factors. I’m also increasingly of the opinion that it is indeed an affliction or type of psychological disorder. I had to think hard about this when, several years ago, a couple of my long-standing male friends “came out”. At the time, I was younger & more open to the idea that it wasn’t all that bad, but over the years I’ve noticed that these particular friends are deeply unhappy people and their “lifestyle” definitely has something to do with it. They don’t claim to be victims and they are both accepted, quite ironically, by their devout Catholic families who must be living out the “love the sinner, hate the sin” adage. The current societal climate which seems not only to accept but celebrate the gay lifestyle doesn’t seem to change this fact, which only reinforces my belief that these people are tormented by the inner knowledge that something is indeed wrong with them. A sad situation, and most deserving of our prayers but not our capitulation into condoning such behavior or claiming it to be normal, because obviously that hasn’t helped.

My sentiments exactly. Years ago I didn’t really think about my friends who ‘came out’ as being tormented souls who realize that what they are doing is not normal but construct a web of lies to justify their behavior. Having pulled on the mantle of victimhood, anyone who questions abnormal, unhealthy and life denying behavior is cast as a hateful bigot. Imagine that response to adultery, pedophelia, or other sexual sins? But the more normalized we see homosexual behavior, the easier it will be to accept what is currently still held in contempt. We must open our eyes to reality.

Great post Stellina!

Lisa N

 

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Lisa N:

Good point. Amazing how the ‘tolerance crowd’ does not demonstrate any tolerance or respect for an opposing point of view.

Yep, they fail to see SSA as an illness. They are all for “compassion” as long as it does not involve asking those with SSAD to obey the moral law and to not not intentionally expose children, and others, to public displays that would validate homosexual actions.

 

[INRI]

Matt25,

What is remarkable about the sexual abuse scandal in the Church here in the US is that the characteristics of the those perpetrating and those who are the victims falls way outside of the “typical” abuse statistics. The vast majority of the cases were not true paedophilia as you have defined it, but involved teenagers, almost all of them males. The perpetrators were overwhelmingly homosexual. A couple of priests involved them were arrested in California running a hotel catering to homosexuals as a place for sexual trysts. According to very statisitics you cite, girls should be at the highest risk for sexual abuse and assault, yet that is NOT what happened here.
According to the John Jay report on the scandal:

• Unlike in the general population, more males than females were allegedly. In fact, there was a significant difference between genders, with four out of five alleged victims being male.

• The majority of alleged victims were post-pubescent, with only a small percentage of priests receiving allegations of abusing young children.

• The allegations of sexual abuse involved a variety of sexual acts, and most of the priests involved were alleged to have committed multiple acts per victim. Indeed, much of the sexual abuse reported involved serious sexual offenses.

• According to the allegations of sexual abuse, the most frequent context of the sexual incidents occurred during a social event. Additionally, many of the priests with allegations of abuse socialized with the family of the alleged victim.
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Table 4.3.1 *GENDER OF ALLEGED VICTIM
**Gender Count % of Total
Male - 8,499 ** - 80.9%

Female - 2,004 - 19.1%

Transsexual - 2 - .0%

Total - 10,505 - 100.0%

• The majority of priests with allegations of abuse from 1950-2002 were ordained between the 1950s and 1970s.
Table 3.5.3 *GENDER OF ALLEGED VICTIMS,
BY NUMBER OF ALLEGED ABUSERS
***Gender Count Percent of all
***Male and Female - 157 - 3.6%

Female only - 991 - 22.6%

Male only - 2,805 - 64%

Gender unknown - 429 - 9.8%

Total - 4,230 - 100%

In other words, of those priests accused of abuse, at least 64% were abusing males ONLY. That blows out of the water any actuarial statistics you may have on what the “typical” abuse pattern should be.
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[Matt25]

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Matt 25, you should have read the next paragraph. It starts like this. “Homosexual persons are CALLED TO CHASTITY.” Read all of it.

I have not at any point dissented from the Catechism, which I have read. What is your point?

 

[lacoloratura]

stellina:

That being said, the more I consider the issue, the more I am convinced that homosexuality is a very complex problem which can’t be attributed either solely to genetics or environmental factors. I’m also increasingly of the opinion that it is indeed an affliction or type of psychological disorder.

Thank you! It IS very complex, and I find that a lot of people want to reduce it to a very simple, black and white issue. We cannot make blanket statements about any group of people and assume that ALL of them will fit those statements. I, too, have matured considerably in my consideration of homosexuality over the past few years (as stellina says, I was much more “forgiving” of homosexuality when I was in college and grad school, especially since I was studying classical voice/opera and knew SO many people who were living that life), and I’m so glad to hear someone else make this statement.

 

[jdnation]

Homosexuality is not genetic, there is no proof nor do I believe they’ll find any. The desire to engage in sexual activity is geneticly driven, however the object you direct it towards is not inborn. Homosexuality and other forms of deviency are largely due to environmental factors that affect the person psychologically, this is usually more influential during childhood.

People are not victims because they are homosexual, they are homosexual because they are victims.