Church Exorcist and Pro Life Priest Warns Against Harry Potter

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:hmmm: so you had conversations with evil and it told you this…interesting.

Two points:
  1. Logic…would dictate that humans are most useful if “alive”.
  2. At the end of the day, Fr. Euteneuer is as human as you or I.
Are you telling me that you have never seen a Disney fairytale cartoon either in print or in the movies?

Are you stating that you have never heard of Edgar Allen Poe or Lewis Carroll?

You’ve never seen a Godzilla movie? as in…Oh no, there goes Tokyo, Godzilla…

Say it ain’t so…🤷
Are you a “rabid pro-Potter”? shrugs Read O’Brien’s books or his free stuff online and you’ll see the difference that distances HP from good/evil tales. I’m not going to paraphrase him, nor copy/paste his words. They’re on his site for anyone interested about the possible effect of Potter/Twilight on kids today. Euteneuer’s stuff is still online through Human Life International. Google Euteneuer + Potter and there’s even more …
 
I have to agree. Especially with abortion, outrageous ideas like this one do more harm then good (really, you don’t need to go much farther than the scientific facts when it come to abortion anyways. The other side does enough to distort or hide or distract from the facts already, there’s no point in giving people another ridicules distraction).

With all due respect to Fr. Euteneuer, you’ve pretty much given people all they need at this point to completely discredit his opinion on matters of fiction. Again, with all due respect, I think it’s pretty clear that he’s looking for reasons, any reason, to call a piece of work “satanic” or “evil”.
 
I have to agree. Especially with abortion, outrageous ideas like this one do more harm then good (really, you don’t need to go much farther than the scientific facts when it come to abortion anyways. The other side does enough to distort or hide or distract from the facts already, there’s no point in giving people another ridicules distraction).

With all due respect to Fr. Euteneuer, you’ve pretty much given people all they need at this point to completely discredit his opinion on matters of fiction. Again, with all due respect, I think it’s pretty clear that he’s looking for reasons, any reason, to call a piece of work “satanic” or “evil”.
Father Euteneuer said:
Some believe that this movie represents the epitome of demonic glorification of abortion.
He did not state HE did, but yes, he does see abortion in ways that others might not. Remember, Fr. E has done battle, actual battle with Lucifer on numerous occasions. Here’s something for ya from Exorcism and the Church Militant
At the final count we estimated that there were several hundred distinct demons that exited her [middle-aged exorcee] body through the four sessions of prayer and deliverance we conducted with her. Because these were not deeply-rooted demons, the process to expel them was very simple: silent prayer before the exposed Ecuharist and then a command to each unclean spirit to leave her one after another. Each was commanded to tell its name as it came to the Light and say, “Hail Mary, full of grace,” as its sign of departure. The list of names was unbelievable: Abortion, Anti-Christ, Belial, Betrayal, Birth Control, Black Cats (this one hissed and put up its claws), Blasphemy, Fortune Telling, Horoscope, “Innocence” (this one spoke with a deceptively sweet, innocent voice), Illness, Pride (this one sat upright as if indignant and said, “I don’t have to leave…”), Racism, Rape, Slave, Snake, Suicide and many, many others …
 
Are you a “rabid pro-Potter”? shrugs Read O’Brien’s books or his free stuff online and you’ll see the difference that distances HP from good/evil tales. I’m not going to paraphrase him, nor copy/paste his words. They’re on his site for anyone interested about the possible effect of Potter/Twilight on kids today. Euteneuer’s stuff is still online through Human Life International. Google Euteneuer + Potter and there’s even more …
I’m not rabid about Harry Potter…I can take it or leave it. I am leary of “book banning/burning”. At 52, HP not up there with my favorite reads. As for Twilight…it’s the 21 century version of the gothic soap opera I used to watch back in the late 60’s early 70’s…it was called Dark Shadows. Twighlight is updated version on an old classic.

I like the way you danced around the “have you ever seen” questions I posed. I remember my mother telling me of the bad influence of “Frank Sinatra” and dancing to “In the Mood”. 🤷
 
Hey, I’m just copying his words straight from his book. Do I really need to see the film and judge for myself what is happening to do that?
 
There, I’ve done my part. Hopefully this will be of help to someone who is not so sure about Harry Potter. For all you die-hard fans, I know it’s hopeless. It’s scary how much of a hold these stories have over some people so that they won’t even consider that there might be something wrong with them. If only people would hold to the dogma of the Church as rigidly.
Well, I’m not going to come at you. In fact, I applaud you and what you are trying to do (protect the Church from any and all evil) 🙂

And yes, I’m a Harry Potter Fan. 😛

But I DO consider that it could be evil and bad (I looked into it, and I have decided it has not, but contrary to your thoughts, I did consider it).

What I don’t get is all the hoopla about Harry Potter and Twilight, when there is no such outrage for the Bewitched, Sabrina, Teen Witch, Chris Angel, Cirque du Freak, Nightmare on Elm Street, Medium, Ghost Whisperrer and any of the rest. :rolleyes:

If you are going to blast this genre, then go after the genre. If you are going to attack just one, you gotta help me to understand why this one (or two) is being singled out.

I know that you’ve heard most, if not all, of the arguments in favor of HP/T, so I won’t even attempt to do the same. I just ask you: why not blast those others?
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Hey, I’m just copying his words straight from his book. Do I really need to see the film and judge for myself what is happening to do that?
No, you don’t…that is if you are comfortable not having your own thought processes.🤷
 
So, do you cast spells? With a wand?
Spells yes. The wand? More for casting a circle ie the sacred space we work in. Actually my one wand mostly sits in my closet. I usually use a stang for the circle casting these days, or a sword, which is more traditional. And strictly speaking, no instruments of any kind are needed for spells or anything else we do. And for the record, no, I don’t cast spells with latin(ish) incantations like Harry Potter. One of my wife’s friends looks like Harry Potter, and I know another guy into ceremonial magick who looks (and has the temperament) of Malfoy, but that’s as Rowling-esque as it gets with me.👍
 
Well, I’m not going to come at you. In fact, I applaud you and what you are trying to do (protect the Church from any and all evil) 🙂

And yes, I’m a Harry Potter Fan. 😛

But I DO consider that it could be evil and bad (I looked into it, and I have decided it has not, but contrary to your thoughts, I did consider it).

**What I don’t get is all the hoopla about Harry Potter and Twilight, when there is no such outrage for the Bewitched, Sabrina, Teen Witch, Chris Angel, Cirque du Freak, Nightmare on Elm Street, Medium, Ghost Whisperrer and any of the rest. ** :rolleyes:

If you are going to blast this genre, then go after the genre. If you are going to attack just one, you gotta help me to understand why this one (or two) is being singled out.

I know that you’ve heard most, if not all, of the arguments in favor of HP/T, so I won’t even attempt to do the same. I just ask you: why not blast those others?
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I have been trying Apryl…I can’t even get Netty to acknowledge Edgar Allen Poe, Greek Mythlogoy or Lewis Carroll…which are taught in every high school across the country as part of the English curriculum.🤷
 
I’m not rabid about Harry Potter…I can take it or leave it. I am leary of “book banning/burning”. At 52, HP not up there with my favorite reads. As for Twilight…it’s the 21 century version of the gothic soap opera I used to watch back in the late 60’s early 70’s…it was called Dark Shadows. Twighlight is updated version on an old classic.

I like the way you danced around the “have you ever seen” questions I posed. I remember my mother telling me of the bad influence of “Frank Sinatra” and dancing to “In the Mood”. 🤷
I wasn’t dancing. They were good/evil flicks, at least the ones that I saw that were on your list. Potter is an evil/evil flick. Therein lies the problem. No symbolic Christ, and that’s covered in O’Brien’s writings, which I was attempting to lead you to. Great writers like O’Brien and Euteneuer can say much more in a paragraph than I could in a whole book. I like to go to the experts. Just my style …

And, eeeee gads, Dark Shadows was awful … 🙂
 
I wasn’t dancing. They were good/evil flicks, at least the ones that I saw that were on your list. Potter is an evil/evil flick. Therein lies the problem. No symbolic Christ, and that’s covered in O’Brien’s writings, which I was attempting to lead you to. Great writers like O’Brien and Euteneuer can say much more in a paragraph than I could in a whole book. I like to go to the experts. Just my style …

And, eeeee gads, Dark Shadows was awful … 🙂
oh ok…now I get it. I see Harry…as the good guy…but hey that is just me:D

Dark Shadows…never missed it…4 PM every weekday…until April of 1970…and then it was over. I named my daughter after one of the characters…Sarah.
 
oh ok…now I get it. I see Harry…as the good guy…but hey that is just me:D

Dark Shadows…never missed it…4 PM every weekday…until April of 1970…and then it was over. I named my daughter after one of the characters…Sarah.
Well, I watched “All My Kids” on weekdays at noon for a period of time, but I’ve already confessed that to our Jesus. Lord only knows how much I’d have to confess if it was Dark Shadows instead … 😃 – Sarah is a beautiful name.
 
I have been trying Apryl…I can’t even get Netty to acknowledge Edgar Allen Poe, Greek Mythlogoy or Lewis Carroll…which are taught in every high school across the country as part of the English curriculum.🤷
Oh, yeah, Edgar Allen Poe! and Greek Mythology… 👍

I was thinking about that the other day when I considered how many of our body parts are named for characters in Greek Mythology. So, how is some religious doctor supposed to remember the Achilles Tendon is so named because… well, you get the idea :o

Heck, look at Bugs Bunny, talking. Dr. Doolittle, where some non-created-by-God animals show up. Yeah…
 
Well, I watched “All My Kids” on weekdays at noon for a period of time, but I’ve already confessed that to our Jesus. Lord only knows how much I’d have to confess if it was Dark Shadows instead … 😃 – Sarah is a beautiful name.
Dark Shadows was never part of any confession…not mine anyway.

All My Kids…never heard of it.🤷 Unless you are referring to “All My Children”…yeah I’ve watched that…then I got job and got out of the house…that was the end of that.😃
 
Spells yes. The wand? More for casting a circle ie the sacred space we work in. Actually my one wand mostly sits in my closet. I usually use a stang for the circle casting these days, or a sword, which is more traditional. And strictly speaking, no instruments of any kind are needed for spells or anything else we do. And for the record, no, I don’t cast spells with latin(ish) incantations like Harry Potter. One of my wife’s friends looks like Harry Potter, and I know another guy into ceremonial magick who looks (and has the temperament) of Malfoy, but that’s as Rowling-esque as it gets with me.👍
Cool. Once, long ago and far away, I had a girlfriend who was (or is) a Wiccan. In some ways, a breath of fresh air.
 
I wasn’t dancing. They were good/evil flicks, at least the ones that I saw that were on your list. Potter is an evil/evil flick. Therein lies the problem. No symbolic Christ, and that’s covered in O’Brien’s writings, which I was attempting to lead you to.
But who says there has to be a symbolic Christ for something to be good versus evil? Why can’t it just be morality, virtue, and honor fighting against hate, prejudice, and violence? Isn’t that in itself Christ-like? But if you want to dig deeper, lets.

SPOILER ALERT - PLOT SYNOPSIS WILL FOLLOW, BUT I’LL DO MY BEST TO EXCLUDE NAMES

You have the person who is the epitome of pure evil - the one who used to be one of the most talented, gifted people. Sound anything like Lucifer? This person has the ability to possess people, has others who have ‘fallen into darkness’, and is out to destroy all that is good.

So we’ve clearly identified the evil. What about the good? Again, this part gets more into plot lines, so don’t read on if you haven’t gotten around to finishing the books!

The good. Let’s see, we have school children who are encouraged to work together, stand bravely united against evil, and fight it in moral ways (no ‘dark magic’, and please don’t dispute that all magic is dark arts - this is a plot device, so don’t get hung up on it) and without killing.

There was a prophecy, that one would come who would defeat evil from the world. Evil tempted him at times, but he stayed true to his course. Many tries evil tried to overtake him, but him and his companions resisted. Finally, he gave himself up to die at the hands of Evil itself so that it might be defeated, which it was for all eternity.

Does this sound familiar? Because it’s just J.K. Rowling’s story line, although it seems like something I’ve read before. Like something I hear about once or twice a week with other like-minded folks…
 
That is exactly what O’Brien’s book addresses. It’s a great read for parents that are concerned about not just Harry Potter, but similar type movies. We are being bombarded by Satan. The sooner folks realize this, the sooner they’ll start praying more for their children and themselves … there’s also fasting, attending Mass more frequently, visiting an Adoration chapel, reciting the Rosary, going to Confession … the list is endless … it’s great to be a Catholic … 😃
Odd. The first time I fully encountered the man’s name was in a poster’s critique of his books.
This weird thing about dragons is the pet idea of Michael O’Brien, and it always amazes me that so many Catholics have paid attention to it. He contradicts himself in his book, misunderstands some of the fantasy works he attempts to analyze, and even abuses Christian theology. His overview of dragon imagery in world mythology is selective, inadequate, and inaccurate. The book is simply terrible, and yet I keep finding people who take it seriously.

O’Brien’s favorite trick is tossing around certain inexplicable words to lead you by the nose. He compares fantasy works with “traditional” fairy tales, but never explains what he means by “traditional.” Dungeons and Dragons is a “cult,” but he never explains why he calls it that. Dragons are positive symbols in China because of “dualistic eastern religions,” but he doesn’t explain why dualism would lead to positive dragon symbols. Nor does he explain why serpents are consistently negative in Zoroastrianism, which is unquestionably dualistic. He mentions Tiamat from the Enuma Elish as a sort of dragon and seems to think that helps his case, but he’s apparently unaware that Tiamat’s vanquisher, Marduk, has serpents and dragons among his sacred symbols. He claims J. R. R. Tolkien is on his side in all this, but he is apparently unaware of Tolkien’s Farmer Giles of Ham, which contains a tamed dragon, the very thing O’Brien claims will drag children into neo-paganism.

When attacking the work of Madeline L’Engle, he criticizes her for describing cherubim as dragon-like, apparently unaware that in ancient iconography, cherubim are winged sphinxes. He is also apparently unaware that seraphim are winged serpents with legs–that’s a positive use of snake imagery right out of the Bible. He also gives no account, that I remember, of John 3.14 or of the good dragon, representing Mordecai, who battles the evil dragon in the additions to Esther. Scripture does not contain a univocal use of serpent imagery, so there can be no basis for a Christian argument that snakes in fiction must always represent only one thing, all the time, unless we’re prepared to condemn the Bible as a confused neo-pagan work.

He trips over his theology on a few occasions. In an attempt to discuss beauty as a property of being and the symbolic use of beauty in fairy stories, he gets confused and ends up–I hope by accident–saying pretty people are inherently better than ugly people. Even though he praises fairy tales for showing evildoers as ugly and do-gooders as beautiful, he turns around in one of his essays on Harry Potter and attacks J. K. Rowling for doing the very same thing.

During that aforementioned criticism of L’Engle, he criticizes her for (correctly) depicting evil as non-being, even though he admits she’s basically right on that point. But though O’Brien himself (correctly) understands demons as beings as wholly dedicated to evil as beings can be, and (correctly) criticizes L’Engle for a universalist bent, he (incorrectly, very incorrectly!) says some living human beings are the same way, “completely ruled by evil.” Sometimes he sounds more like a Lutheran or Calvinist than a Catholic.

He also excuses George MacDonald for his universalism. In Lilith, MacDonald depicts even Satan being saved, and O’Brien gives this a pass, but for some reason, that sort of thing is absolutely condemnable when Madeline L’Engle does it. He also praises MacDonald for depicting Lilith being converted back to good, even though she’s a demonic figure, though he condemns the depiction of the conversion of other demonic figures. The heroic characters in Lilith also use magic, just as Lilith does–yet when discussing Harry Potter and other fantasy works, he condemns books where both heroes and villains employ magic. For some reason, the use of magic by both good and evil is something O’Brien is willing to excuse in works by the authors he favors. O’Brien simply can’t be consistent in his criticism, so how can anyone seriously expect fantasists to use ideas like O’Brien’s as a moral guide for writing their work?

O’Brien may be a fine novelist. I know from experience he’s a competent painter. But in the realms of folklore or literary criticism the man is a sophomore, the Richard Dawkins of Catholic literary moral criticism, making facile arguments based on some master key to interpreting stories that he claims to have discovered, and huffily dismissing anyone who disagrees with him as “illiterate.” I do not understand why anyone treats A Landscape with Dragons or O’Brien’s essays on this subject as anything other than an embarrassment.
Given the critique above and my integrity as a student of literary criticism, forgive me if I have ceased taking anything by O’Brien as credible.
 
No, that’s not what I was saying. Another movie of concern would be Twilight and this is what Fr. Euteneuer had to say about The Alien movies:
The Alien movies featured a vicious, rapacious little creature that emerges out of the stomachs of people looking like a fetus transformed into a fang-toothed ravaging demon. Some believe that this movie represents the epitome of demonic glorification of abortion. Be that as it may, the devil’s spawn are not hard to recognize. It’s just too bad that most of our faith-deprived society thinks that they are only harmless “entertainment.”
This truly is absurd. Sorry but that’s just it. I don’t care priest or no priest, this interpretation is as believable as a Marxist critique of Snow White and the Seven Dwarves.

We are the Religion of the Logos hence we should be expected to meet that title, more so the members of our own clergy. As a Catholic, I have every right to demand the big R known as Reason.

Also, fun science fact. Are you aware that there are species of wasps who actually inject their eggs into the bodies of their victims? It’s the same concept as these aliens. Are these insects demons?

In case you haven’t observed, I’ve personally noticed an interesting trend of deriving alien traits from insects. I mean look at the Zerg from Starcraft.
 
I’m a huge fan of Euteneuer’s, so I would not refer to his writings as “absurd,” even though I haven’t seen the movies myself, but Fr. Euteneuer was the popular and well-loved president of Human Life International, so anything he writes regarding that which is evil would also pertain to abortion somehow, which is Satan’s most profitable baby.
I’m sure Marxists are also capable of pertaining everything to Marxism as well. Does that make the Marxism that they read into everything true?
 
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