Church Exorcist and Pro Life Priest Warns Against Harry Potter

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Harry Potter is a warlock. His female friends are witches. They attend school to practice and increase their understanding of Magick for which they cast spells.

Yet, you can’t see ANY connection between Potter and the secular practice of witchcraft and the Wiccan religion?

Have you cast a “spell” upon yourself?
 
Barbkw said:
Harry Potter is a warlock. His female friends are witches. They attend school to practice and increase their understanding of Magick for which they cast spells.

Yet, you can’t see ANY connection between Potter and the secular practice of witchcraft and the Wiccan religion?

Have you cast a “spell” upon yourself?
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No, Barb, I have not. What I have done is lived my life knowing the difference between the practice of a heretical, pagan religion and the reading of a book that uses a FICTIONAL plot device to express REAL truths and values.

And calling Harry Potter a warlock is like calling Babe a warthog. He is a child, a student, and has some incredible virtues that some of us can stand to reflect. He also struggles with the temptation of evil. He was born with a certain mark that has caused evil to enter into his life, and he has been tempted by that evil to do wrong, but ultimately chooses to do what is right. Why does this seem so familiar?

Ah, yes, original sin. A mark on our soul that has exposed us to temptation and evil. We will forever struggle against it, but if we remain virtuous, defend the truth, and fight against evil, we will be victorious.

If you cannot even admit that there are good morals in Harry Potter, then there is nothing more I can do to this conversation as I will only tend to let frustration chip away at my civility, and this is something I do not wish to happen.
 
Barbkw said:
Wiccan and Harry Potter come up together because they both practice Magick.
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So barb, by your standards, there’s a lot of reasons to avoid Christianity entirely. I mean, think of all the terrible and crazy things that people have done in association with their faith.

Do you want to rethink your criticism?
 
Barb, I know you are being flooded with many questions and responses regarding your posts, but I hope you will take the time to personally address this question I am posing to you now:

What do you think of Catholics who have read the Harry Potter series? What do you think of people who have followed the faith their whole lives and choose to read these books?

See, you are different than the other posters in opposition to my opinion and that shared by others. They are arguing that Harry Potter can ‘lower one’s inhibitions’ towards witch craft, and in this sense, they are dangerous. But you are outright saying they are Wiccan, which is not what any of the quoted religious figures (including an exorcist, a religious brother, and a Bishop) were saying.

It worries me that you are carrying so much anger at words and paper that you have never taken the time to peruse. Trust me, I was angry at Harry Potter for a long time, but only because I happen to share the same name as a character in the book (yah, I hear about it a lot). But where does your anger come from?

I also had concerns about what was actually in the HP books. But when I actually read them, I was relieved to find such a refreshing message within the pages of a children’s book. It was reminiscent of LOTR (written by a Catholic and meant to include religious undertones) and the Chronicles of Narnia (written as an allegory by an Anglican who would have certainly swam the Tiber were he alive today!), but these books are not under attack, so I’m not sure what differentiates them from Harry Potter, and thus I’m not sure why it is targeted when the others are praised.
 
Brooklyn said:
Ok, time for all you Harry Potter fans to come at me with your worst, because I know you will. But I saw this article, written about a very holy priest on the front line in our spiritual battle against Satan, and I have to put it out here, even though I know it will meet with ridicule and even hate coming from Harry Potter fans. But here goes.

catholic.org/hf/faith/story.php?id=37447

There, I’ve done my part. Hopefully this will be of help to someone who is not so sure about Harry Potter. For all you die-hard fans, I know it’s hopeless. It’s scary how much of a hold these stories have over some people so that they won’t even consider that there might be something wrong with them. If only people would hold to the dogma of the Church as rigidly.
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thanks… haven’t read H Potter, probably cuz its for kids

but there is so much controversy that my thought is that there must be something to this demonic aspect of H Potter… or it would be settled…

i presume this priest has read the Potter books??
 
As a revert to the faith, it never ceases to amaze me how Spiritually retarded some Catholics are.
 
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thanks… haven’t read H Potter, probably cuz its for kids

but there is so much controversy that my thought is that there must be something to this demonic aspect of H Potter… or it would be settled…

i presume this priest has read the Potter books??
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The book itself was originally written for children probably around middle school age (11-13), but the content has matured as the books have (probably the last one is around 16-17 year old level of appropriateness).

The controversy continues because people have used Harry Potter as a scapegoat against Wiccans in a manner similar to that of the Westboro Baptist Church - in an inflammatory way to gain attention to themselves and their cause.

And no, the Priest, nor any of the opposing posters thus far (to the best of my recollection), have read the novels.
 
Barbkw said:
As a revert to the faith, it never ceases to amaze me how Spiritually retarded some Catholics are.
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As I have found this extremely offensive, I am letting you know this post has been reported. I hope we can continue the debate, but I will not partake if this is the manner in which we are to argue.
 
WASHINGTON, DC (Inside Catholic) - they know it."

Father Euteneuer does not speak as a theorist. Since 2003 he’s had extensive experience ministering to those possessed by demons. His introduction to the demonic world happened when a family asked him for help for one of their members, and he eventually asked for permission to perform the rite of exorcism. He has been doing them ever since.

…, as Father Euteneuer made clear, this entire dark spiritual world “cannot operate without permission from human beings.” He pointed out that the widely-seen film, The Exorcism of Emily Rose, based upon the actual case of Anneliese Michel, makes it seem like a possession can occur against a person’s will.

Demons play by the rules, as it were. They can only enter a person when invited, and they will leave when subjected through the rite of exorcism to the authority of the Church. “All demons understand is authority,” according to Father Euteneuer. He told me of a time he was with someone who was possessed – not intending to do an exorcism because permission had not yet been given – and the demon spoke to him saying, “The Church is not here.”

Father Euteneuer reminded me that as fallen angels, demons are smarter than any human being. “The darkest demon is smarter than I am,” he said. An exorcist must remain aware of the demon’s ability to know everything about the person they are possessing, including family members, and those who may enter the room to cast them out.
 
Reservoir_Dog said:
Why would they do that?
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Because, as subjects created by God, they are still subject to His Rule and authority, even though they rebelled. That is why they are barred from Heaven. This authority became Man in the form of Christ, and was then handed down through the Apostolic Succession. They are forced to submit to it because it is in their God-created nature to do so.
 
distracted said:
WASHINGTON, DC (Inside Catholic) - they know it."

Father Euteneuer does not speak as a theorist. Since 2003 he’s had extensive experience ministering to those possessed by demons. His introduction to the demonic world happened when a family asked him for help for one of their members, and he eventually asked for permission to perform the rite of exorcism. He has been doing them ever since.

…, as Father Euteneuer made clear, this entire dark spiritual world “cannot operate without permission from human beings.” He pointed out that the widely-seen film, The Exorcism of Emily Rose, based upon the actual case of Anneliese Michel, makes it seem like a possession can occur against a person’s will.

Demons play by the rules, as it were. They can only enter a person when invited, and they will leave when subjected through the rite of exorcism to the authority of the Church. “All demons understand is authority,” according to Father Euteneuer. He told me of a time he was with someone who was possessed – not intending to do an exorcism because permission had not yet been given – and the demon spoke to him saying, “The Church is not here.”

Father Euteneuer reminded me that as fallen angels, demons are smarter than any human being. “The darkest demon is smarter than I am,” he said. An exorcist must remain aware of the demon’s ability to know everything about the person they are possessing, including family members, and those who may enter the room to cast them out.
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I understand that this provides background on Father Euteneuer, but I don’t understand the connection between demonic possession and Harry Potter. If the argument is that Harry Potter is ‘inviting in’ demons, then why have there not been cases of this?

Hopefully for the last time, I plead with anyone who is posting that if you are citing a quote, offering your own opinion, or debating someone else’s, please explain the purpose of it in the discussion. Even if the purpose may seem evident to you, assume it won’t be for all of the readers and take the extra time to craft a thought out, well versed, complete answer that will not leave any doubts or holes in your response.
 
Barbkw said:
As a revert to the faith, it never ceases to amaze me how Spiritually retarded some Catholics are.
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This crosses the line Barb. I’m not a Wiccan. I never want to be a Wiccan. I am a traditional, devout Catholic who is trying to live my Faith and accept the graces that God has given me. This is a very judgmental statement and in other forums, this would be a very terrible impression of our Holy Catholic Faith. Myself and others on here have explained time and again about what the Harry Potter books are and yet you give honestly no concrete evidence to prove that they are evil and those who read them will automatically be drawn to Wicca. There is no honest evidence for it. Sure, there are some correlations between some words and traditions but that is it and it draws more from a common culture and tradition of the British Isles than actual witchcraft. The books teach good virtues as well as hold up a mirror and satirizes certain trends that one sees in the educational and political systems as well as the media. It is also funny and heartbreaking too. Good triumphs but not without a price in the end. It isn’t for small children. The books are for young adults and up and should be treated as such not because of the “witchcraft” which is fantasy magic but because it deals with some very mature themes.
 
I guess I would rather spend my time focusing on Jesus and being prepared for Him than watching a movie that discusses witchcraft.
I refuse to debate because it normally will do no good. Instead, I’ll just state my opinion which mirrors the OPs.
 
Rachel said:
I guess I would rather spend my time focusing on Jesus and being prepared for Him than watching a movie that discusses witchcraft.
I refuse to debate because it normally will do no good. Instead, I’ll just state my opinion which mirrors the OPs.
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You are assuming that people like myself and others who have posted don’t spend time focusing on Jesus and that wouldn’t be right because we do but we also enjoy reading other stuff as well. I and other posters have repeatedly stated that Harry Potter does not depict actual witchcraft. It is fantasy magic. I am a devout Catholic who takes my faith seriously and I find it VERY disturbing that some of these posters on here assume that if someone likes Harry Potter then they can’t be a good, practicing, and devout Catholic. That is wrong. It is false and it also gives false witness.:mad:
 
Barbkw said:
As a revert to the faith, it never ceases to amaze me how Spiritually retarded some Catholics are.
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I cast a vote for freedom of speech.
I admit to some spiritual retardation & laziness.It happens to the best of us.
 
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