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kim wilson:
Interesting Matt–my first degree was in piano performance. And also interesting is the fact that for the first several hundred years of Catholic church history, only vocal, monophonic music was allowed in the church. It was commenting that the early Catholic church and the current COC were together on the issue of no instruments that drew me the most criticism.
That’s weird, because the early church is what the church of Christ attempts to emulate. Of course, we believe the church went astray early on, especially in the fourth century, but still, the roots are there growing together. 🙂

As I went on and earned my bachelor’s in Biblical Studies, I learned a lot about the divergences of thought in the early church, and how the Roman catholic church came to be. There’s a lot of core doctrine that the church of Christ and the Roman Catholic Church share, such as similar views of justification, the necessity of baptism and the importance of the Lord’s supper. We diverge, of course, on many other things, but it’s good to have a base.

Where does the catholic church stand on instrumental music now?
 
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bengal_fan:
answer the door naked. :bigyikes: . it always works for me (of course, you might be attractive, unlike me 🙂 , and it might backfire on you).
Yes, this is a novel way of answering the door. I think you probably not only will startle proselytizers but also anybode else who you mistook as one of them.

I wonder what will happen if you stand in the doorway and solemny started to bless them with holy water and accompanied this with some impromptu prayer to the Holy Spirit? (But not naked, of course.)😃
 
Where does the catholic church stand on instrumental music now?

It’s just fine. I play for every Sat. evening Mass.
 
kim wilson:
Where does the catholic church stand on instrumental music now?
It’s just fine. I play for every Sat. evening Mass.

Do you know when it changed, and why?

BTW, what do you play? One of those huge pipe organs? LOL
 
kim wilson:
Interesting Matt–my first degree was in piano performance. And also interesting is the fact that for the first several hundred years of Catholic church history, only vocal, monophonic music was allowed in the church.
I’m not certain that was a universal decree or assumed ordnance…From about 33-313ad the church was under some very strong persecutional restraints. The idea of playing an instrument with a “familiar” melody might somehow alert those who sought them out for persecution. I don’t know how loudly they even sang.
In the very beginning, they worshipped in the synagogue, which used instruments, especially in the psalms which is what the Jewish converts were most familiar with.
In the earliest church (33-65ad) they did not read or quote from the NT since there wasn’t any, but the OT was their medium, and it was well established that it contained admonitions to sing with instruments.

We went from synagogues, to houses, to caves, then to converted temples, then to ornate churches. When Paul speaks of churches he is speaking of a “called out group” not the building.
The same is applied to advancement in how we express our worship… to musc introduced into worship when the church is freed up to fully express itself…
Personally, I favor mostly a capella, with few exceptions.But I do not make it a dogma of getting into heaven. Some of the musical applications “Lord I am not worthy…”) in the Anglican Use with an organ moves the heart to near ecstacy of repentence.
Capturing anything that advances the glory of God in worship is my motto, be it air-conditioning in Texas churches, or heaters in Alaska, or Latin’s “O Salutaris”, or “Regina Coeli” with violins, or english “Now Thank we all our God” with a pipe organ in a cathedral.
The Church moves on in glory: MK4:30 And he said: To what shall we liken the kingdom of God? or to what parable shall we compare it? 31 It is as a grain of mustard seed: which when it is sown in the earth, is less than all the seeds that are in the earth: 32 And when it is sown, it groweth up, and becometh greater than all herbs, and shooteth out great branches, so that the birds of the air may dwell under the shadow thereof. (Including music lovers, and artists of all kinds, sculptures, painters, stone masons, glass makers)…How many kinds of “birds” there are! They are not asked to all be parrots or bluejays in order to dwell. They arrive with their song and a very musical melody with it.

Nevertheless,instruments are not nor ever have been a requirement in the Church. It’s left up to the pastor.
ALZOG:
“St. Ambrose and St. Gregory rendered great service to church music by the introduction of what are known as the Ambrosian and Gregorian chants… Ecclesiastical chant, departing in some instances from the simple majesty of its original character, became more artistic, and, on this account, less heavenly and more profane; and the Fathers of the Church were not slow to censure this corruption of the old and honored church song. Finally, the organ, which seemed an earthly echo of the angelic choirs in heaven, added its full, rich, and inspiring notes to the beautiful simplicity of the Gregorian chant” (Alzog, Catholic Scholar, Church Historian of the University of Freiburg and champion of instrumental music in worship, was faithful to his scholarship when he wrote, Universal Church History, Vol. 1, pp. 696, 697)
 
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Matt14:
That’s weird, because the early church is what the church of Christ attempts to emulate. Of course, we believe the church went astray early on, especially in the fourth century, but still, the roots are there growing together. 🙂


** Where does the catholic church stand on instrumental music now?**
Musical Accompaniment. In the beginning the Church opposed the use of musical instruments at divine service, though they were extensively employed in the old dispensation (cf. Num. 10, 8-10, Chron. 2, 24-28)…
It seems that the Christians at first permitted only the zither for the purpose of accompanying the chanting of psalms and hymns. The Apocalypse refers to the saints in heaven as having zithers in their hands in chanting the “new canticle” to the Lamb, Christ (cf. Apoc. 5, 8 f.).

Clement of Alexandria wrote that no one was to be blamed for singing to the playing of the zither or the lyre, because he merely followed the example of David, the king of the Hebrews (cf. Paedag. II, 4).
But about the year 400 stringed instruments were probably forbidden at divine service both in the Orient and in northern Africa (cf.* Canones *of St. Basil).

Later, when the organ was invented, it was adopted first in monastery churches, and then in cathedrals and other churches. Its sustained, uniform and full tone made it easier for choirs to hold the dominant in solemn chanting. The organ gradually became in the strict sense the musical instrument of the Church. It was not until the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries that other instruments also came into use at church services.

In regard to instrumental music, it is important to note that it is permitted for the sole purpose of sustaining and accentuating the liturgical chant. It has no independent character. The liturgical texts which are recited or sung must always remain the principal element of Catholic worship. The one musical instrument which is specifically ecclesiastical is the organ. Definite rules concerning its use at liturgical functions are found in the *Caeremoniale episcoporum *(I c. 28). They are supplemented by the *Motu proprio *of Pius X of November 22, 1903, and the Apostolic Constitution of Pius XI of December 20, 1928.

a) The organ should accompany only the singing of the choir or congregation, but not that of the celebrant or his assistants, the deacon and subdeacon. The playing of the organ should be serious and dignified and, wherever possible, also artistic.

b) If parts of the Kyrie, Gloria (not of the Credo), Sanctus and Agnus Dei, or of the hymns, psalms and canticles are supplied by the organ for the purpose of relieving the chanters, it is necessary for the sake of completeness to recite the respective texts aloud (intelligibili voce).

c) Since the organ imparts a solemn and joyful character to liturgical functions, its use is strictly forbidden on Sundays and ferials of Advent (except the third Sunday) and Lent (except the fourth Sunday).

d) For the same reason, preludes, postludes or interludes are also prohibited at high Masses of Requiem.

In regard to other musical instruments, the Church prescribes that they may be used to accentuate the chant, but may not stifle it. Expressly forbidden are the rather noisy instruments, such as drums, cymbals, castanets and the like; the piano and the phonography as well as the playing of bands in the church are also proscribed. By such laws the Church evidently desires to remove from Catholic liturgy whatever is worldly, profane and strongly subjective.

In the aforementioned Motu proprio, Pius declares — in words similar to those of Clement of Alexandria, St. Athanasius, St. Augustine and St. Jerome — that instrumental music is not ecclesiastical if it savors of the profane, theatrical or pagan. Furthermore, Pius XI in his Apostolic Constitution recommends the organization of boys’ choirs, even in the smaller parishes; these choirs should be trained not only in Gregorian chant, but also in sacred polyphony. Orchestral accompaniment should always be kept within moderate bounds.
 
Gee TNT , thanks for answering my question and allowing me to save my breath. That was excellent. However, the church I play for also uses guitar, piano and light drums. Out of the 5 different Masses we have, the organ is used in only two of them. Most catholic churches do about the same.

Pipe organ? Nah. I just play the piano and sometimes I canter as I play.
 
kim wilson:
Gee TNT , thanks for answering my question and allowing me to save my breath. That was excellent. However, the church I play for also uses guitar, piano and light drums. Out of the 5 different Masses we have, the organ is used in only two of them. Most catholic churches do about the same.

Pipe organ? Nah. I just play the piano and sometimes I canter as I play.
The most instrumental Mass I ever attended was a Christmas Midnight Mass at St Patrick’s Cathedral in Ft Worth. You know, with the huge choir loft in the back. Well, I took a young COC lady to that Mass not knowing that the Ft Worth Symphony Orchestra would provide the accompaniment!
Trumpets. Drums, Violins, flutes, piccolos, everything but a saxophone.
It was quite impressive, really. My COC friend got the whole dose at once. Loved it! Started kneeling and making the sign of the cross! Really got rapped up in it.
(the COC has no Christmas worship unless it occurs on sunday).
 
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