Church Security & Legally Armed Parishioners

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LANCASTER, Pa. (WHTM) — A church is reporting that two people were hurt after an accidental shooting.

A post on the Worship Center Facebook page said a gun was accidentally discharged inside the church’s security office around 10 a.m. Sunday. The church is located on New Holland Pike in Upper Leacock Township.
 
childinthefaith said:
Clearly you’ve missed something. I’m not disobeying the bishop.
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I must have missed that.
Your first post indicates that the Bishop has disallowed the local priest from granting permission to carry.
Unless something changed, you do not have permission. The local priest does not have the authority to counter the Bishop.

Further, since there is no permission, and the law specifies permission must be provided, you are actually breaking the law as well as disobeying the Bishop.
 
littlebird said:
What law/statute specifies that “permission must be provided” ?
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First post…

My wife literally fears going to a weekend mass because she says she feels like a “sitting duck.”
My archdiocese will not allow our priests to grant permission for licensed individuals to carry concealed, as would be legal with that permission, in church.
 
Sorry. I still dont understand this. Is permission by a bishop a state law or a church policy ?
 
Gripper said:
I would never take a gun to Mass and wouldn’t want to kill someone there either. If you are going to die what better place to die?
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What about your child, your spouse, and the other 300 people at Mass?
 
Our parish has the no firearms circle/line thing at the door of the parish hall, but there are various people who are in-fact packing firearms at Mass.
We were discussing the increase in church shootings in choir, and the guy who sits behind us (former federal customs agent) says to my wife “If anything happens here all you have to do is get down on the floor” as he gives her a friendly wink.
 
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julianN, realize what I’m doing: establishing that to you, bringing a gun into a church is apparently so bad that to you, you won’t even say doing so is acceptable if the gun carrier is rushing into a church to stop another active shooter. Because that’s where you’re headed when you defer to the bishop or whoever as you did.
 
littlebird said:
Sorry. I still dont understand this. Is permission by a bishop a state law or a church policy ?
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Legally, I believe you get into property ownership and having domain over the rules on your own property. And the bishop probably owns every building in your parish. I may be wrong but that’s what I understand,legally.
 
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In our state, the property owner would have to take steps to ban weapons on church property. Rather than take steps to allow concealed carry.

Now, policy does state that employees, may not carry while working. Obviously, while off the clock, that policy is not in effect.

I know of a number of parishioners that carry to Mass and to other church functions.
 
1Lord1Faith said:
But it should suffice to say that those who are poo pooing the right to bear arms in the US are going off topic.
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Rau said:
But not those defending it with questionable assertions?
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That’s pretty standard in these kind of threads sooner or later.

A person who finds solutions with a gun is also likely to find solutions with forcefully imposed silencing.

My point will be proved within a few days or less.
 
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VonDerTann said:
Being Catholic need not equal “cowardly
In the face of mortal danger,” which “if I have to die, it’d be great to die in a church shooting” looks disturbingly like.
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It’s got nothing to do with being cowardly. You could say carrying a gun 24 hours a day is cowardly?
 
I agree. Maybe the parishioners that are anti carry, dont have their spouse or children with them.
 
By calling them “killers” you’re suggesting they will use the guns for evil aka as a murderer. When a police officer shoots a gunman threatening an innocent bystander, we don’t call the policeman a “killer” because the act of shooting the gunman is in defense of life.
 
I understand how you feel. Where I live, Michigan, there are a lot of citizens with their Concealed Carry. A lot of farmers, hunters, and we have some retired LEO. People who go on to get their permit/license usually have trained above what an average firearm owner has. You actually have to go through training to get your permit/license.
Like you I feel better knowing that there are a few armed people in our Church in case the unfathomable happens.
 
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