Church strike for women's ordination

[Fauken]

Any forecoming Pope can change what the church does.

A Pope cannot change doctrine or dogma, and the all-male priesthood is dogma. Roma locuta est, causa finita est.

If God wants women to be priests, he will arrange for it to happen.

God already chose not to. God cannot make women priests anymore than He can make Himself not God. Or a circle a square.

 

[YourNameHere]

Don’t be absurd.
But if God wants the moon to be made of green cheese, I believe God is capable of doing that.

 

[Brendan]

Don’t be absurd.
But if God wants the moon to be made of green cheese, I believe God is capable of doing that.

I wasn’t being absurd. While God could certainly change the Moon into green cheese, and God could certainly create a woman with a sacerdotal mark upon her soul, God gave neither power to the Church. Thus a future Pope has no more power to Ordain a woman than he would to change the moon into cheese via an encyclical. The only absurdity is in thinking that the Church could do either.

 

[Sbee0]

Never say never. Anything is possible with God! Amen

Anything is possible with God. But God has already established His Church here on earth and it is not in line with women being priests.

 

[pnewton]

God can do anything. If God wants women to be priests, he will arrange for it to happen.

God can do anything possible. He cannot contradict Himself.

if we are faithless, he remains faithful— for he cannot deny himself. 2 Timothy 2:13.

 

[yankeesouth]

The reason a woman can not be a priest is as clear as Jesus’ teaching on marriage. For example…the Wedding at Cana. Jesus the Bridegroom provides the wine. The Eucharistic celebration is the wedding banquet.

I wonder how many who think a woman can be a priest also think homosexuals can marry.

 

[Briain]

These German “strikers” are rebelling, or protesting, against God’s Church, which in turn makes them heretical.
Hillaire Belloc’s The Great Heresies wrote and warned us of this with regard to the fifth heresy in his book which he referred to as The Modern Heresy.
The Modern Heresy is very much upon us in the 20th and 21st centuries and is saturating western society. It takes many forms and attacks from many angles such is its danger. The German protesters are exactly that, protesters against the Faith. As are other internal heretics such as Richard Rohr who seek to dilute and undermine our Faith in order to fit in with the secular, politically correct, world we all find ourselves living in today.
The Church must resist these blatant temptations from within and so should its flock.
May God Bless you.

 

[AlbertDerGrosse]

Absolutely shameful. May God help him, his diocese, all of Catholic Germany, and the Church Universal.

 

[Cruciferi]

So, an upcoming Pope can issue an Encyclical that changes the Moon into green cheese?

That sounds… DELICIOUS

 

[Anicette]

thanks you? @Constantin, for your interesting analysis.

I agree that it only take one bishop… we have experienced that in France, for exemple.

I think the most the US Church and the German one have in common, is “wealth” (that can be relative…). Otherwise, as you said…

I am French, and I see the huge cultural differences between the Church here and yours. We have less means, but thanks, not a lot of church building maintenance. We are used to do all with few and volunteering, and retired people. We( including the bishops) don’t have a culture of vocal dissent through the Vatican, we only evoluated through highly secular culture, and even with Catholics we more or less privately dissent on many moral topics. We also have a very hidden faith, that we don’t speak of in public. we are no used to visible devotion, and even among Catholics, something such as prayers before meals is not always done. I think we have a lack of faith or a “buried” faith because of our history. we are “cold” on faith!

I think that one of the reasons of the influence of the german bishop is that they are europeans, and Europe have an historical supremacy (that is declining) in the Church. Germans are also well educated, including in theology, and religion is teach in (some?) schools.
The Reformation and the context of ecumenism may explain the origin of the culture of dissent?

I wonder if the German Catholics, or their Church are somewhat embarassed to hold some teachings on morals that are counter cultural and hurt some people? The answer to this perceived suffering is to battle to “reform” the Church? and with the money collected from their members through taxes they think they are obliged to get results?

 

[Fauken]

I can’t remember what movie it was, and I know it was during the French Revolution, but I’m haunted by a scene where Carmelite nuns went up to the guillotine one by one, leaving the Mother Superior for last, and one woman in the crowd who came up after they were all dead. The nuns were singing some Marian hymn. Apparently in the real history of the event, they each knelt in front of Mother Superior and asked her for permission to die. And to each nun she would say, “Go, my child!”

Events like that do not wash away from the psyche of a nation easily.

 

[VanitasVanitatum]

There’s also an opera or something about it. Dialogues Carmelites by Francis Poulenc, I’m not a fan of the period his music was from, but there might be some inspiring moments.

 

[edwest211]

I recall seeing the following painted on a building: “It is forbidden to forbid!” That’s when things go downhill.

 

[AlNg]

I can’t believe people would actually do this…

I read recently a poll taken of Catholic graduates of a Catholic college in the USA. It showed that 75% were in favor of ordaining women.

 

[edwest211]

Here’s what happened to Catholic colleges.

The Land O’ Lakes Statement Has Caused Devastation For 50 Years - Cardinal Newman Society

 

[phil19034]

30,000 heretics and growing…

 

[edwest211]

Getting educated about what’s going on is a positive thing.

 

[goout]

Don’t be absurd.
But if God wants the moon to be made of green cheese, I believe God is capable of doing that.

I think this illustrates the main disconnect here.

Godly power is not merely potency, or capability, or ability.
God’s acting is one with God’s being. God does not act in contradiction with God’s being. How do we know how God is? Through revelation in Jesus Christ.

Power is not a utility for God, it is power in service. Human beings likewise. We shouldn’t want power or position for it’s own sake. The priesthood is not a position of power it is a position of service modeled in Christ. And there are many ways of service that do not have worldly power. The Mother of God is a prime example.

 

[Mark121359]

That would be The Martyrs of Compiègne.

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/14517a.htm

 

[Constantin]

If you say that you experienced that in France (it only takes one bishop), I guess you are referring to archbishop Marcel Lefebvre.
Anyway, another topic.
I guess with your last paragraph, you nailed it. German Catholics are embarrassed (more than somewhat!) to hold and be vocal about (moral) teachings that are counter-cultural. We are afraid to be viewed as old-fashioned, backward and retarded. This is our greatest fear - the loss of social status. Coming out faithful Catholic in Germany in many cases means being ridiculed, or at least we are afraid of that. In the end, at the core of it, it is cowardice, nothing else.
And this makes movements such as this Maria 2.0 thing possible. Both laity and clergy behave cowardly and do not speak up in clear terms when such nonsense comes up. Keep a low profile and carry on is the strategy.
I feel like we are done for by and large, at least spiritually. It is great to see though, especially in places like CAF, that the situation is not that bad when considered globally. Catholic Germany may fall (or has already fallen), but there are many places in the world where things look much better.