Church teaching on Islam

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rinnie said:
Why, Is it not the same EXACT thing. Do Catholic’s a Protestants worship the same God, even though protestants do not have the fullness of the truth?
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Btw, there are Protestants that believe in the Eucharist.
 
jam070406 said:
My answer to you on that. In case you haven’t figured it out, is that Muslims do not hold the Faith of Abraham. So…anything further beyond that really is meaningless until they are enlightened by the Faith of Abraham, which results in believe in Jesus Christ. Which comes to them from hearing the Gospel. Which that whole section is addressing.
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And my answer to you is you are going against the teachings of the CC.

The Church has the authority to teach in the name of Christ, and they say that it is true. What makes your word more meaningful then the CC?
 
rinnie said:
Where in the world did I say that. I told you I reject the teaching of Muhammad. I told you I believe he is a false prophet.

Where does me accepting the God that Muhammad and the Muslims to be indeed the One True God, have to do with Muhammad have revelations from that One True God?

You make no sense to me. Where did I ever say I believe Muhammad? If I believed that would I not be Muslim. I reject Muhammad, but accept the truth he teaches, just as the Church does.

And the One truth he teaches is the One true God the creator of heaven and earth.
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Muslims believe the words in the Koran are the words of God. How are they wrong and you right?
 
jam070406 said:
Btw, there are Protestants that believe in the Eucharist.
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If you read my post I did not say All, I said there are many. But now that your did indeed bring that up. How do they get the Eucharist, Do Protestant Preachers claim they have the authority to change regular bread into the living Christ?

I am asking, I truly do not know?
 
rinnie said:
And my answer to you is you are going against the teachings of the CC.

The Church has the authority to teach in the name of Christ, and they say that it is true. What makes your word more meaningful then the CC?
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How am I “going against the the teachings of the CC?” What have said that is more meaningful then the CC?

You still have never answered what the Faith of Abraham is.
 
jam070406 said:
So what?? I SPECIFICALLY quoted the Allah of the Koran. Which says to kill apostates from Islam. Do our Catholic brothers and sisters believe that?
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No we do not, by the way. And we also do not believe that the Eucharist is just a symbol.

We do not believe that we do not have to confess mortal sin to a Priest.
We do not believe in divorce.
We do not believe in a man and man getting married or w and w.
We do not believe in waiting to have our children baptised.

I could go on and on.

But we also do not accuse our brothers and sisters who do not have the fullness of the truth in worshiping a false god. We accept the same God.
 
rinnie said:
Again then any person who has a false teaching have a false god. Correct?
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Those that have a false teaching are driven away from God. Why do think heresy was such a big deal in the early Church?
 
jam070406 said:
How am I “going against the the teachings of the CC?” What have said that is more meaningful then the CC?

You still have never answered what the Faith of Abraham is.
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Did you not read what I told you. The faith of Abraham is professing the Absolute Oneness of God. The One God Creator of heaven and Earth.

To profess the faith of Abraham, means you believe in the One God, and you believe that you are a decendant of Abraham and acknowledge the same Creator of heaven and earth.
 
rinnie said:
No we do not, by the way. And we also do not believe that the Eucharist is just a symbol.

We do not believe that we do not have to confess mortal sin to a Priest.
We do not believe in divorce.
We do not believe in a man and man getting married or w and w.
We do not believe in waiting to have our children baptised.

I could go on and on.

But we also do not accuse our brothers and sisters who do not have the fullness of the truth in worshiping a false god. We accept the same God.
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We could accuse them of not following Jesus’s commands.
 
rinnie said:
Did you not read what I told you. The faith of Abraham is professing the Absolute Oneness of God. The One God Creator of heaven and Earth.

To profess the faith of Abraham, means you believe in the One God, and you believe that you are a decendant of Abraham and acknowledge the same Creator of heaven and earth.
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Where do you get that??
The faith of Abraham is belief in the Trinity. It’s what made those come to believe and follow Jesus.
 
jam070406 said:
Those that have a false teaching are driven away from God. Why do think heresy was such a big deal in the early Church?
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So you are saying if you believe in a false teaching, then you have a false god?

Okay then what about people who do not accept that a Priest cannot forgive sins in the name of Christ. Which is ever single Protestant I have ever known or talked to. Is their God False?
 
jam070406 said:
Where do you get that??
The faith of Abraham is belief in the Trinity. It’s what made those come to believe and follow Jesus.
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Show me. Show me where Abraham taught us that God was the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit. Show me.
 
rinnie said:
So you are saying if you believe in a false teaching, then you have a false god?

Okay then what about people who do not accept that a Priest cannot forgive sins in the name of Christ. Which is ever single Protestant I have ever known or talked to. Is their God False?
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Then they risk the chance of being in mortal sin.
 
rinnie said:
Show me. Show me where Abraham taught us that God was the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit. Show me.
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Why would I go to Abraham when I can go to Jesus’s words? Or the NT writers inspired by the Holy Spirit?
 
jam070406 said:
We could accuse them of not following Jesus’s commands.
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Yes we most certainly could. Just like we could accuse the Muslims of not following the commands of God.

But you never answered my question. You continue to avoid it. How does a false teaching result in a false god?
 
jam070406 said:
Aha! IT DOESN’T. Now you seem to be getting it! They are following false teaching. A false god. 👍
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If false teaching = a false god, then Baptists, Lutherans, and all the other Protestant faiths are worshiping a false god; as well Jews. False teaching doesn’t automatically equal a false god; the only thing a false teaching automatically equals is a false teaching/incomplete understanding of God. Add to this the fact that people more educated then you or I in regards to theology and God have reviewed Islam and despite its false teachings concerning God have declared that Muslims worship God, not a false god.
 
jam070406 said:
Why would I go to Abraham when I can go to Jesus’s words? Or the NT writers inspired by the Holy Spirit?
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I did not ask you to go to Abraham, I asked you to back up what you said. You said the faith of Abraham is belief in the Trinity.

Show me where Abraham revealed to us the Trinity. Especially when Christ was the word made flesh. Christ came long after Abraham. But you claim Abraham taught the 3 persons in the Trinity. Show me.
 
jam070406 said:
Then they risk the chance of being in mortal sin.
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So, I am not asking of Mortal Sin. I am asking if they have a false god. Because remember you said if you have a false teaching, you are following a false god.
 
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