Church teaching on Islam

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rinnie said:
Well to begin with you are taking scripture completely out of context for starters. Jesus was not speaking to the Muslims in this scripture it was a number of Jews who rejected Jesus. He was judging them, not the Muslims.

Not it is your turn to prove what you are saying. I will state my proof. and it is up for you to refute it.

Muslims Proclaim the Absolute Oneness of God. This is the truth that all who believe they are decendants of Abraham believe.

The believe as us in the One God, they also believe they are children of Abraham, the same as we believe we are. Anyone who acknowledges the One God the Creator of Heaven and Earth hold the faith of Abraham.

Now it is your turn. Show your proof! When have the Muslims ever worshipped a false god? When did Muslims ever claim to worship plural gods.

Muslims have always claimed to worship the One true God the creator of heaven and earth. The one True God the creator of heaven and earth is My God and the God of Abraham and the Muslim God.

PLEASE show me where we all worship a false god.

Do you reject God the Father the Creator of heaven and earth?

Please show me where it is said that if you worship the creator of heaven and earth your God is false. Is Jesus Christ not God, the Creator of heaven and earth? Are we not talking of the same God here? Prove to me they are different. And you win!
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I have no idea what you are talking about. I don’t subscribe to your idea that Muslims secretly worship Jesus without knowing it.
Yes, Jesus is creator. They reject Him.
 
jam070406 said:
Just because they say they do, doesn’t mean they actually do. 🤷
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What is the difference between us saying we do, and them saying they do.🤷

IF we profess it its true, and if they profess it they are liars?:eek:

They say they do, we say we do, the Pope says we both do. Its the teaching of our faith.

We are Catholic, we have no authority to dispute the truth given to us by our Church. We have the promise from God that we are given the truth in our teachings.
 
rinnie said:
What is the difference between us saying we do, and them saying they do.🤷

IF we profess it its true, and if they profess it they are liars?:eek:

They say they do, we say we do, the Pope says we both do. Its the teaching of our faith.

We are Catholic, we have no authority to dispute the truth given to us by our Church. We have the promise from God that we are given the truth in our teachings.
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Is this the faith of Abraham? Is this “Allah”, quoted, the One, True God?

Anyone who fights against Allah or renounces Islam in favor of another religion shall be “put to death or crucified or have their hands and feet cut off alternative sides” (Sura 5:34).
 
jam070406 said:
I have no idea what you are talking about. I don’t subscribe to your idea that Muslims secretly worship Jesus without knowing it.
Yes, Jesus is creator. They reject Him.
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Then how can they worship God the Father creator of heaven and earth, and not worship Jesus Christ the Only son of God the Father?

I never said they Secretly do anything. Where did I say that? I said they do not accept Christ as God, they have the teaching of a false prophet. They do not have the fullness of the truth. They are not taught it in their book. Where is it said that if you worship God the best you know how and live out your faith to the best of your ability you will not obtain salvation. Not in the CC. It teaches the opposite.

But where does a false teaching, change the trutth. God is Jesus, Just because a truth is not revealed to you, is it not truth:confused:
 
jam070406 said:
Is this the faith of Abraham? Is this “Allah”, quoted, the One, True God?

Anyone who fights against Allah or renounces Islam in favor of another religion shall be “put to death or crucified or have their hands and feet cut off alternative sides” (Sura 5:34).
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Yes he most certainly is. Allah is the One True God the God of Abraham. The creator of heaven and earth.

Now tell me this. You say if they reject Christ they have a false god correct?
 
rinnie said:
Yes he most certainly is. Allah is the One True God the God of Abraham. The creator of heaven and earth.

Now tell me this. You say if they reject Christ they have a false god correct?
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So you believe the One True God commands that those that renounce Islam should be put to death?? Wow, just wow.
 
So what?? I SPECIFICALLY quoted the Allah of the Koran. Which says to kill apostates from Islam. Do our Catholic brothers and sisters believe that?
 
BenedictFTW said:
I have struggled so hard with what I read in our CCC. I did not know how to think about it, because I saw quite clearly that Muslims we hear about on TV do not believe in the same God that I do. They believe in revenge and death to all who do not share their beliefs. However, our saintly Pope JPII wished us to accept that these Muslims did indeed believe in the same God. So, I tried.

Now, for the first time, someone has actually broken it down for me and I am able to be at peace with it. I still think Muslims are gone off into fantasy world where God is concerned, but some Muslims, in their own land, strive to live good lives. One of my good friends is a convert to Christianity from the Muslims. She was brought up in Iran and she told me what a great man her dad was. He loved his family, all of the extended members as well as his nearest and dearest; worked hard all of his life and obeyed all the laws of the land. He also gave to the poor and never had a bad word to say about anyone. He prayed to God all of the time, according to my friend. She firmly believes that her dad is in heaven. I had grave misgivings about this at one time; but now I think that she is probably right.

Just goes to show, we live and learn:)
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Yes, but just wait until the truth of Jesus is revealed to them. That is when you will see them, like the Jews come to the Church in record numbers. It will happen.

You have to remember Muhammad did give them some truth. Very little but some. He did teach them the One true God the God of Abraham. If you have to say ONE good thing about Muhammad that would be it. It is one truth he did truth.

People for some reason cannot understand the CC has an obligation to tell the truth. If its the truth its the truth.

Pope John Paul ll told them he admires them for the way they pray and honor the One true God. But then he let them have it pretty good, for the false teachings they have.

It is said that day hundreds converted to Christ! And it was just the beginning. They are all starting to learn about the truth. But you can’t condemn someone for not following a truth they were never given. All they knew was the Koran.
 
jam070406 said:
So what?? I SPECIFICALLY quoted the Allah of the Koran. Which says to kill apostates from Islam. Do our Catholic brothers and sisters believe that?
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So, what does a false prophet Saying its the teaching of God, make it the teachings of God.

Did not Jesus tell us many false prophets will do miracles in his name, teach in his name and give false doctrines in his name. Its in the bible. He warned us, and said to stick to the early fathers of the Church.

Did Jesus not say many will say to him Did I not teach in your name etc. And did not Jesus say you are a liar, and I DO NOT KNOW YOU.
 
rinnie said:
So, what does a false prophet Saying its the teaching of God, make it the teachings of God.
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Aha! IT DOESN’T. Now you seem to be getting it! They are following false teaching. A false god. 👍
 
Jam I have a question for you.

You claim because Muslims reject Christ as the One true God they have a false god, right?

Okay lets go with your reasoning.

Now in John 6:64 to name one, Although there are many, Christ tells us point blank that he is the true bread from heaven. He said it as clear as day. He said it 12 times to eat his flesh and drink his blood.

Now many Protestants reject Christ in the Eucharist. Why is it that Muslims reject Christ as God the Father creator of heaven and earth, so that makes them have a false god, Then Protestatants that reject Christ in the Eucharist would have a false god then also right?

I mean is not rejecting Christ rejecting Christ.

If you don’t agree that Protestants who reject Christ in the Eucharist don’t have a false god, how can you accuse the Muslims then?
 
jam070406 said:
Aha! IT DOESN’T. Now you seem to be getting it! They are following false teaching. A false god. 👍
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How? How is a false teaching a false god. read the previous post. Can’t wait to hear your response.
 
rinnie said:
Jam I have a question for you.

You claim because Muslims reject Christ as the One true God they have a false god, right?

Okay lets go with your reasoning.

Now in John 6:64 to name one, Although there are many, Christ tells us point blank that he is the true bread from heaven. He said it as clear as day. He said it 12 times to eat his flesh and drink his blood.

Now many Protestants reject Christ in the Eucharist. Why is it that Muslims reject Christ as God the Father creator of heaven and earth, so that makes them have a false god, Then Protestatants that reject Christ in the Eucharist would have a false god then also right?

I mean is not rejecting Christ rejecting Christ.

If you don’t agree that Protestants who reject Christ in the Eucharist don’t have a false god, how can you accuse the Muslims then?
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LOL! I knew this analogy was coming.

Apple and oranges. And a potential whole other thread derailing tangent.
 
My answer to you on that. In case you haven’t figured it out, is that Muslims do not hold the Faith of Abraham. So…anything further beyond that really is meaningless until they are enlightened by the Faith of Abraham, which results in believe in Jesus Christ. Which comes to them from hearing the Gospel. Which that whole section is addressing.
 
jam070406 said:
So you believe the One True God commands that those that renounce Islam should be put to death?? Wow, just wow.
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Where in the world did I say that. I told you I reject the teaching of Muhammad. I told you I believe he is a false prophet.

Where does me accepting the God that Muhammad and the Muslims to be indeed the One True God, have to do with Muhammad have revelations from that One True God?

You make no sense to me. Where did I ever say I believe Muhammad? If I believed that would I not be Muslim. I reject Muhammad, but accept the truth he teaches, just as the Church does.

And the One truth he teaches is the One true God the creator of heaven and earth.
 
jam070406 said:
LOL! I knew this analogy was coming.

Apple and oranges. And a potential whole other thread derailing tangent.
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Why, Is it not the same EXACT thing. Do Catholic’s and Protestants worship the same God, even though protestants do not have the fullness of the truth?

So then you are saying a Protestant Preacher can teach something that is not the true word of God, but can worship the one true God,

But a false prophet can teach something that is not the true word of God, but his God has to be false?

How?
 
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