Church teaching on Islam

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I have another question for you.

Okay do you remember when Jesus asked his Apostles who is was? Some said they believed he was John the Baptist, etc. Okay now to begin with why did they not know who he was?

Because we are going to go with what you are saying, they SHOULD have known correct?

Now why is it Peter stood up and said YOU are the SON OF GOD, Now why did Christ say FLESH and BLOOD did not reveal this to you only my Father in heaven.

Now if what you guys are saying is true, Abraham knew and taught his, why did Jesus say God did? Why did Jesus say God revealed it to Peter and not Abraham?

Help me understand this then. And if I go with what you are saying, who is the God Peter and all the other Jews prayed to before Jesus was revealed to us in the scriptures. A false god? Has to be then right?🤷
 
jam070406 said:
Why do keep going back prior to Jesus? Jesus IS the Faith of Abraham. Period.
He revealed it, Muslims reject it. Just like the Jews in which Jesus was talking to cannot fall back on Abraham, neither can Muslims. The fact that someone may be a decendent of Abraham no longer matters. Jesus told us this.
Before Abraham I AM!
There is no longer Jew nor Gentile. There are those that accept Jesus and those that reject Jesus.
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So this makes the God that they Jews prayed to before Christ revealed himself a false God right?
 
rinnie said:
I have another question for you.

Okay do you remember when Jesus asked his Apostles who is was? Some said they believed he was John the Baptist, etc. Okay now to begin with why did they not know who he was?

Because we are going to go with what you are saying, they SHOULD have known correct?

Now why is it Peter stood up and said YOU are the SON OF GOD, Now why did Christ say FLESH and BLOOD did not reveal this to you only my Father in heaven.

Now if what you guys are saying is true, Abraham knew and taught his, why did Jesus say God did? Why did Jesus say God revealed it to Peter and not Abraham?

Help me understand this then. And if I go with what you are saying, who is the God Peter and all the other Jews prayed to before Jesus was revealed to us in the scriptures. A false god? Has to be then right?🤷
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I have no idea what you are saying. God spoke to Abraham.
 
jam070406 said:
No. I just thinking you are reading the texts wrong.
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Okay then the ball is in your court. How can the Muslims and Jews together with us worshp the One true God? What does the Church mean by that teaching? Help us read it the correct way. What is the Church saying that we are missing?
 
rinnie said:
So this makes the God that they Jews prayed to before Christ revealed himself a false God right?
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Are the Jews before Jesus and the Muslims of today the same people? You seem to think so.
 
rinnie said:
Okay then the ball is in your court. How can the Muslims and Jews together with us worshp the One true God? What does the Church mean by that teaching? Help us read it the correct way. What is the Church saying that we are missing?
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I already explained it but you ignored it.
 
rinnie said:
Okay then the ball is in your court. How can the Muslims and Jews together with us worshp the One true God? What does the Church mean by that teaching? Help us read it the correct way. What is the Church saying that we are missing?
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Ok, ball in your court.
How do Muslims worship along with us? Is the Islamic form of worship pleasing to God. Will it save them? This is the only conclusion that one can be lead to in your line of thinking.
 
jam070406 said:
They hadn’t accepted the belief yet. But they hadn’t rejected it, like Muslims do.
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Okay, good answer. Now answer the real one. Who is the God they prayed to before Christ was revealed to them? Was it a false god or not?

Because according to you if you do not accept Christ you are praying to a false god right? Now you just admitted they did not accept Christ YET!

Now was the God they prayed to previous a false god yes or no?
 
rinnie said:
I did not ignore it, Please explain it again to me, I either missed it or do not understand it. Make it easier for me:D
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They worship along with us.
Two different paths. Both believing they are worshipping the one true God.
One actually worshipping in proper belief and worship given by God.
One worshipping in false belief and false worship given by man.
One path leading to life, one to death.
Both along side each other, together.
Both claiming to worship the one true God.
One actually worshipping Him, one… not.
 
rinnie said:
Okay, good answer. Now answer the real one. Who is the God they prayed to before Christ was revealed to them? Was it a false god or not?

Because according to you if you do not accept Christ you are praying to a false god right? Now you just admitted they did not accept Christ YET!

Now was the God they prayed to previous a false god yes or no?
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No. It was not a false God. He wasn’t fully revealed. He was fully revealed in Jesus and not only do Muslims reject Him they make up falsehoods about Him.
 
jam070406 said:
Ok, ball in your court.
How do Muslims worship along with us? Is the Islamic form of worship pleasing to God. Will it save them? This is the only conclusion that one can be lead to in your line of thinking.
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The way they worship God the same as us is they pray to the One God the Creator of heaven and earth.

Does getting on your knees and bowing to God the Father the Creator of heaven and earth pleasing to God? Yes the scripture tells us it is.

Will their prayers save them? How would I know? I am not God, who am I to say what will or will not save them. Salvation is given to us through Jesus Christ. And he tells us he wishes for everyone to be saved. Will he save the Jews? Will he save the Muslims? Will he save the Christians? We will all find out on judgement day.

I am not God I cannot condemn anyone to hell, or send anyone to heaven. Only God can.

DId Jesus die for ALL mans sins or just for the ones who accepted him? I was told he died for all mans sins, and without his death no one could enter heaven.

I was taught you cannot go to the Father without the Son, why? Simple because God and the Son are one.
 
It says they worship the one god. Their version, which shares similarities to the revealed God, and even mentions a few of the falsehoods. It goes on to say they reject the one true God, Jesus Christ.
 
jam070406 said:
No. It was not a false God. He wasn’t fully revealed. He was fully revealed in Jesus and not only do Muslims reject Him they make up falsehoods about Him.
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There you go, You just answered your own question did you not? Is the Muslim God a false god? No he is not a false God.

Do muslims reject Jesus as the Son of God? Yes they do. How can you pray to the true God and not accept Christ? Simple, When you do not have the truth revealed to you by the power of the Holy Spirit you will not accept it.

But when the truth is revealed, It will BE BY the Power of the Holy Spirit that the grace will come for them to accept it. It will be a gift from God, the same as it was given to us to accept Jesus Christ.

It is not for us to say When, or how. We just know that it WILL happen, If they are of God he will give them the Grace to see the truth.
 
rinnie said:
The way they worship God the same as us is they pray to the One God the Creator of heaven and earth.

Does getting on your knees and bowing to God the Father the Creator of heaven and earth pleasing to God? Yes the scripture tells us it is.

Will their prayers save them? How would I know? I am not God, who am I to say what will or will not save them. Salvation is given to us through Jesus Christ. And he tells us he wishes for everyone to be saved. Will he save the Jews? Will he save the Muslims? Will he save the Christians? We will all find out on judgement day.

I am not God I cannot condemn anyone to hell, or send anyone to heaven. Only God can.

DId Jesus die for ALL mans sins or just for the ones who accepted him? I was told he died for all mans sins, and without his death no one could enter heaven.

I was taught you cannot go to the Father without the Son, why? Simple because God and the Son are one.
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And we pray through Christ our Lord. And offer the sacrifice of the son back to the Father. Now tell me how they worship with us.
 
jam070406 said:
No. It was not a false God. He wasn’t fully revealed. He was fully revealed in Jesus and not only do Muslims reject Him they make up falsehoods about Him.
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Or could it be said that according to the false prophet Muhammad and his false teaching the TRUE gospel was not fully revealed to them either?

Do you not understand that even today if they read the bible they will be killed?

And do you not understand when it does become truly revealed to them they are comming to Christ in record numbers.
 
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