Please read it again it is stated. Quite clear may I add.
Agreed. But the point of this thread is what does our Church teach. The RCC teaches it is the same God. Do you agree with this? Do you feel that the RCC does not teach we adore the Same One True God.
Nobody denies this. The fact under contention is that this does not mean they have the same understanding of what it is they are worshiping. They are indeed worshiping one God, but that God is not the Trinity. Therefore it is not the SAME God as we worship. This is the bone of contention, the nucleus of the issue. I think there is a good deal NOT said about what the Muslims believe in our CCC. This leaves room for arguments like this. We are left to our own devices.
Exactly. And that is why this debate continuously resurfaces without being resolved.
Please read what the Pope teaches us on that. I quoted what he said.Nobody denies this. The fact under contention is that this does not mean they have the same understanding of what it is they are worshiping. They are indeed worshiping one God, but that God is not the Trinity. Therefore it is not the SAME God as we worship. This is the bone of contention, the nucleus of the issue. I think there is a good deal NOT said about what the Muslims believe in our CCC. This leaves room for arguments like this. We are left to our own devices.
Nothing is as it first seems
But the Point is this, It is indeed a teaching of our Pope. He has the authority to teach us. He has exercised his authority and done so.Indeed. And this was not a “teaching” for hundreds of years until relatively recently (in this age of ecumenism).
In fact, I have never seen evidence that the “same god” teaching has ever been declared infallible by any of the post 1870 popes.
But is it mandatory for you to accept this “same god” teaching…under pain of excommunication or loss of salvation?
The Pope is also very careful what he says. He never goes against our actual understanding. You may think he does. Read it again. Allow for a saintly, charitable but honest and highly intellectual Pope.
We use the term universal and ordinary magisterium of the Church. This term means a teaching this is universally held everwhere at all times by the people in the Church.Indeed. And this was not a “teaching” for hundreds of years until relatively recently (in this age of ecumenism).
In fact, I have never seen evidence that the “same god” teaching has ever been declared infallible by any of the post 1870 popes.
But what if you have misinterpreted the pope’s words…as Benedict says?
What does ‘adfinitive’ mean? Some American words are not in the English dictionary
Interesting. I was told that the only mandatory infallible declarations in the Latin Catholic Church…were papal infallibility and the Assumption of the Theotokos.
I have never felt that way in my life. When you believe that God is speaking to the Pope and is promised the gift of the Holy Spirit to speak in his name, why would you even doubt what is said.
Do you know where I can find that episode online?
How can I misunderstand the words that Muslims worship God who is one living and subsistent merciful and almighty the creator of heaven and earth.
No one ever said that they have the same understanding of God as we do. Please read what I quoted from the Pope.Nobody denies this. The fact under contention is that this does not mean they have the same understanding of what it is they are worshiping. They are indeed worshiping one God, but that God is not the Trinity. Therefore it is not the SAME God as we worship. This is the bone of contention, the nucleus of the issue. I think there is a good deal NOT said about what the Muslims believe in our CCC. This leaves room for arguments like this. We are left to our own devices.
Nothing is as it first seems
Here is the thread. Is the Church’s position that Muslims worship the same God. Do we worship God who is One living and subsistent merciful and almighty the creator of heaven and earth. Yes we do. Does the Church teach they worship this same God, Yes they do.
It’s episode 163 and is re-airing today at 1 pm Eastern, and on Thursday, May 10 at 5 am Eastern. (Perhaps you can record one of those two times if you can’t watch it.) Also, the paper transcript is available of every episode. I’m not sure if you need to request it from EWTN or from Franciscan University, as I seem to remember some reference to the latter’s address in the closing announcements of each program.