Church teaching on Islam

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rinnie said:
No one ever said that they have the same understanding of God as we do. Please read what I quoted from the Pope.

He said they venerate Jesus as a prophet. and they honor his Mother. Of couse that means they do not see him as God. We never said they see Jesus as God.

But why is everyone trying to change this to Muslims having the same understanding that we do. No one every said that.

The question is who do they worship. And the Church told us they worship God who is One living and subsistent merciful and almighty the creatory of heaven and earth. IS that a different God then us?

I am told here that because they do not accept Christ in the Trinity they do not honor the One True God. The VCll says the opposite.

Please again re-read what I quoted.
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VII says they worship the Trinity??
 
rinnie said:
Here is the thread. Is the Church’s position that Muslims worship the same God. Do we worship God who is One living and subsistent merciful and almighty the creator of heaven and earth. Yes we do. Does the Church teach they worship this same God, Yes they do.

So the answer is clear. YES!
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No. It says they worship the one God. Which could mean their version. Which is wrong and not the Trinity.
 
rinnie said:
I have never felt that way in my life. When you believe that God is speaking to the Pope and is promised the gift of the Holy Spirit to speak in his name, why would you even doubt what is said.
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So you believe that everything the pope says is infallible?
rinnie said:
So I feel it is mandatory to accept the word of God.
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That is not what I asked.
 
rinnie said:
How can I misunderstand the words that Muslims worship God who is one living and subsistent merciful and almighty the creator of heaven and earth.

What is in that sentence that I can misinterpret?
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Read Benedict’s post again.
 
Elizabeth502 said:
It’s episode 163 and is re-airing today at 1 pm Eastern, and on Thursday, May 10 at 5 am Eastern. (Perhaps you can record one of those two times if you can’t watch it.) Also, the paper transcript is available of every episode. I’m not sure if you need to request it from EWTN or from Franciscan University, as I seem to remember some reference to the latter’s address in the closing announcements of each program.

The title of this episode (163) is Catholics and Islam. It’s hosted by Scott Hahn, who did a masterful hosting job. The guest was author Robert Spencer.

ewtn.com/tv/index.asp
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Thank you for the timely info. I’ll be able to watch it in an hour [and get to avoid reading through the transcripts :)].
 
It baffles me that any Catholic can decide
to re-interpret what the Pope has taught, what
the Church teaches!

Much ado about nothing.
 
rinnie said:
I have never felt that way in my life. When you believe that God is speaking to the Pope and is promised the gift of the Holy Spirit to speak in his name, why would you even doubt what is said.

So I feel it is mandatory to accept the word of God. Yes, I do. And do I believe God is leading the Pope? I most certainly do. If I did not I would not be RC. But I have never done it under pain of excommunication or loss of Salvation. To that the answer is NO never.
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What do you mean by God speaks to the Pope?
 
Mickey said:
On the contrary…this supposed teaching…causes much scandal amongst the Catholic faithful and they deserve a clarification.
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… among very few of the Catholic faithful and
they seem to wish to ostracize Moslems in every way.
 
Mickey said:
So you believe that everything the pope says is infallible?
That is not what I asked.
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Yes I do. God gave the Pope the power of the Holy Spirit to teach and preach in his name.

Who am I to say to the Pope I disagree with what you are teaching to the Church.

Scripture tells me that the Pope has the power of the Holy Spirit to teach in his name.

Where in the world does scripture say that I have the power to interpret scripture or correct the teaching’s of the Pope.

Where in the bible did God give me the Power of the Holy Spirit to teach in his name.

If the Pope says they Worship God who is one, I will take his word on it. Why because God gave that word power.

If the Pope says Muslims pray to the ONE GOD and I know there is only One GOD thats good enough for me.

If the Pope said they cannot pray to the One God because they do not acknowledge Jesus in the Trinity then I would accept that.

BUt he clearly said they worship God who is One, who has spoken to humanity. I know no other God then ONE GOD. Is there another ONE GOD who has spoken to humanity? Nope, Not that I was taught.

Is that One God made up of 3 persons in the Trinity. Absolutely. Did the Pope deny that? No he did not.

Do Muslims pray to the One God in a perfect way? No they do not? Why because they do not know the fullness of God in the truth of the Trinity.

But because they do not pray to God in the Perfect way, the way we were taught, does that make the ONE GOD false. Absolutely Not!

There is only One God the creator of heaven and earth.

Now my question to you. The Pope states quite clear the worship God who is ONE.

Now do you agree that there is ONE GOD, or do you feel there is more then one God? If so you have the opportunity to prove the Pope wrong and show us we have more then ONE GOD.

ANd you can prove him wrong that they do not pray to the same ONE GOD creator of heaven and earth. Because the Pope said thats who they pray to Together with us, may I add.

Is the Trinity ONE GOD the creator of heaven and earth or separate gods? IF you agree the Trinity is indeed ONE GOD made of of 3 persons of ONE GOD, you have no argument.

IF you disagree that the Trinity is not made up of the ONE GOD the creator heaven and earth you have a argument. Lets here it. IF not you have no case.😃
 
If mine were here today, He would say. You people better learn the teachings of your Pope.

Then he would say GO TO CHURCH and ask the Priest to explain it to you. Because I can’t help you!😛
 
rinnie said:
Yes I do. God gave the Pope the power of the Holy Spirit to teach and preach in his name.
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The Pope never said that EVERYTHING he says is infallible. The Pope rarely uses his infallibility and always only in relation to faith and morals. The Pope is a man who can make mistakes.

However, having said that, we are so blessed with our Popes of many years now. Our present Pope is extraordinarily intellectual and well educated. He is a true educator and an amazing diplomat. God bless him.🙂
 
catharina said:
It baffles me that any Catholic can decide
to re-interpret what the Pope has taught, what
the Church teaches!

Much ado about nothing.
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I hope you don’t think that I am “re-interpreting,” catharina. I am simply trying to communicate some vigilance here. Like many other people, I have been watching carefully since 9-11 the public reaction and response to Islam as a movement, both in theological and in secular circles. Terrorism is not theology, absolutely! Nevertheless, the goals of Islam are imbedded in the Qu’ran; the interesting thing is that there appears to be far more widespread ignorance of practicing Muslims, with regard to their faith, than there is of Catholics regarding their own. (Yes, that’s possible. ;)) To me, that was the most frightening take-away of the Franciscan University Presents episode 163.

I do not believe that Catholics are free to interpret JP2’s remarks as indicating any equality between the theology of Islam and theology of Catholicism. The two faiths are fundamentally different. That is a different matter than appreciating that the all-merciful God receives prayers from all believers with generosity and without regard to individual errors in understanding.

I invite everyone to watch or record the EWTN episode which will be re-broadcast in about 20 minutes from now.
 
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