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I agree. If folks would prefer a Catholic news source, here is one:
cwnews.com/news/viewstory.cfm?recnum=57727
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cwnews.com/news/viewstory.cfm?recnum=57727
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Beauty
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this is not a quote but there are books that have been written by a Rabbi (senior) and he said that Pope Pius XII did all he could to protect Jews and when he spoke up about what the Nazis were doing more Jews were murdered. There is also a book about a priest who kept a diary about what happened when the Pope spoke out. This will prove that the POPE at that time did all he could and also hid many Jews in the Vatican. He also had to worry about the Catholics that were being murdered. I am sorry I can’t give the names of these books but if you look on EWTN.com you will find them there.I just find it interesting that this article is released on the eve of the pope’s visit to the U.S.
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crenfro
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…and Edith Stein…
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Lance
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In your profile you say you are a Curstian. I never heard of that religion, what is it. Also the Torah is basicly the Old Testament and as Christians we believe it. I am not that familiar with the Talmud so I can not comment on it’s contents. Could you enlighten us as to exactly what it is you have a problem with in the Talmud?
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Alethiaphile
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And that is relevant how?
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Shoshana
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Being a lover of freedom, when the revolution came in Germany, I looked to the universities to defend it, knowing that they had always boasted of their devotion to the cause of truth; but, no, the universities immediately were silenced. Then I looked to the great editors of the newspapers whose flaming editorials in days gone by had proclaimed their love of freedom; but they, like the universities, were silenced in a few short weeks….
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Only the Church stood squarely across the path of Hitler’s campaign for suppressing truth. I never had any special interest in the Church before, but now I feel a great affection and admiration because the Church alone has had the courage and persistence to stand for intellectual truth and moral freedom. I am forced thus to confess that what I once despised I now praise unreservedly.
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Only the Church stood squarely across the path of Hitler’s campaign for suppressing truth. I never had any special interest in the Church before, but now I feel a great affection and admiration because the Church alone has had the courage and persistence to stand for intellectual truth and moral freedom. I am forced thus to confess that what I once despised I now praise unreservedly.
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- Albert Einstein, Time magazine, 23rd December, 1940 p. 38
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Ryan29
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Well I don’t believe in what that book says about where Jesus is. I don’t need a hood as a weak attempt to say I’m a member of the Ku Klux Klan, if I believe that the scribers of the Torah and Talmud were vitriolic and vengeful and for a person to mock them is no different from how Bill Maher mocks the Pope. Why does he do that by the way?
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Dale_M
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What on earth are you talking about? Please list some citations from the Torah and Talmud which speak ill of Jesus.
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Since you brought up Edith Stein in this context, you should know that she wrote a letter in early 1933, shortly after Hitler’s election, to Pope Pius XI begging him to condemn Hitler and Naziism. Not only was the letter ignored, but shortly thereafter the Vatican, through the future Pius XII, executed its infamous Concordat with the Third Reich.
The letter can be read at:
sacredheart.edu/pages/12100_2003_2_15vatican_archives_1933_letter_edith_stein_to_pope_pius_xi.cfm
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How Pius XII Protected Jews
By Jimmy Akin
On April 28, 1935, four years before the War even started, Pacelli gave a speech that aroused the attention of the world press. Speaking to an audience of 250,000 pilgrims in Lourdes, France, the future Pius XII stated that the Nazis "are in reality only miserable plagiarists who dress up old errors with new tinsel. It does not make any difference whether they flock to the banners of social revolution, whether they are guided by a false concept of the world and of life, or whether they are possessed by the superstition of a race and blood cult."3] It was talks like this, in addition to private remarks and numerous notes of protest that Pacelli sent to Berlin in his capacity as Vatican Secretary of State, that earned him a reputation as an enemy of the Nazi party.
The Pope’s efforts did not go unrecognized by Jewish authorities, even during the War. The Chief Rabbi of Jerusalem, Isaac Herzog, sent the Pope a personal message of thanks on February 28, 1944, in which he said: "The people of Israel will never forget what His Holiness and his illustrious delegates, inspired by the eternal principles of religion which form the very foundations of true civilization, are doing for us unfortunate brothers and sisters in the most tragic hour of our history, which is living proof of divine Providence in this world."17]
The Chief Rabbi of Rome, Israel Zolli, also made a statement of thanks: "What the Vatican did will be indelibly and eternally engraved in our hearts. . . . Priests and even high prelates did things that will forever be an honor to Catholicism."19]
After the war, Zolli became a Catholic and, to honor the Pope for what he had done for the Jews and the role he had played in Zolli’s conversion, took the name “Eugenio”—the Pope’s given name—as his own baptismal name. Zolli stressed that his conversion was for theological reasons, which was certainly true, but the fact that the Pope had worked so hard on behalf of the Jews no doubt played a role in inspiring him to look at the truths of Christianity.
catholic.com/library/HOW_Pius_XII_PROTECTED_JEWS.asp
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Valke2
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I’m sure the fact that he was rejected by the Jewish community for hiding from the Nazi’s and abandoning his people during the war, also had something to do with his decision to convert.
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Lance
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Why would he be rejected for hiding? I would not think one would go around advertising they were a Jew in Italy during Mussolini’s rule of Italy. I don’t recall anyone talking about the Frank family being rejected because they hid.
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Ryan29
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“Jesus was a bastard born of adultery.” (Yebamoth 49b, p.324).
“Mary was a whore: Jesus (Balaam) was an evil man.” (Sanhedrin 106a &b, p.725).
“Jesus was a magician and a fool. Mary was an adulteress”. (Shabbath 104b, p.504)
Gittin 57a. Says Jesus is in hell, being boiled in “hot excrement.”
talmud.faithweb.com/articles/jesus.html
Is the second coming of Jesus worth the perservation of the 1948 self-proclaimed state?
Yet, Ashkenazi Jews are the ones that have the true power, not the Sephardics (brother).
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Umm, I don’t know if you actually read the content on the site you provided, but it says that the Jesus in the Talmund is not Jesus Christ. So you just undermined your own argument.“Jesus was a bastard born of adultery.” (Yebamoth 49b, p.324).
“Mary was a whore: Jesus (Balaam) was an evil man.” (Sanhedrin 106a &b, p.725).
“Jesus was a magician and a fool. Mary was an adulteress”. (Shabbath 104b, p.504)
Gittin 57a. Says Jesus is in hell, being boiled in “hot excrement.”
talmud.faithweb.com/articles/jesus.html
Is the second coming of Jesus worth the perservation of the 1948 self-proclaimed state?
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Ryan29
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Well, is there any other Mary and Jesus? If there is then how in the world do you believe that Jesus is really Lord? Two Lords named Jesus?
Before you post again, Lucy, I advise you to release some doves.
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Valke2
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The Frank family were not the leaders of the Jewish community in Rome.
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SongofShepherds
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It figures, someone made a list of Catholic Martyrs under the Nazis. Quite a list and I’m sure many were more were imprisoned and maybe there are some we don’t know about. A prayer for them and for all of them.
holycross.edu/departments/history/vlapomar/hiatt/martyrs.htm
I’m rather sure, I once read about a Dutchman in the clergy and involved in publishing who must be among the martyrs but I don’t remember his name. Perhaps he wasn’t clergy but the name Blessed Nikolaus Gross (lay publisher) fits that role somewhat.
Also, I think I have a book somewhere, weren’t a number of Polish Catholic Nuns killed by the Nazis in one convent or something. I’ll look it up.
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