Church v. Trump on Women

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Because too many people believe they have to choose one or the other, when both are true at the same time.
 
You might want to check out two You Tubers named Diamond and Silk.

They are two middle aged black ladies and ardent Trump supporters.

Their schtick is that Obama overpromised to the Black community and underdelivered.
 
He’s president, not a Church leader. Good luck finding any politician that acts perfectly in line with Church teaching. It was between Trump or a woman that thinks it’s okay to abort babies.

Now that Trump is in office I’m not going to constantly point out his moral failings. I have my own. We all have our own. I just support him in his office, hope he does a good job and wish him the best. I have objectified women in the past but I’m fully capable of doing good at my job.

I have heard co works complain that Trump is a womanizer just because they don’t like him but with the same mouth call their wife the B word. Always remember your own moral failings before you complain about anothers
 
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blackforest said:
Trump’s “pro-life” position came out of political expedience and self-serving convenience. It’s kind of like how Obama suddenly --poof!-- “evolved” on the issue of same-sex marriage when it benefited the campaign for his second term.
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Are you now a self-proclaimed mind reader? If you would have been paying attention, President Trump stated long ago that he was pro-choice for abortion, UNTIL he changed his mind when something of a personal nature proved to him how wrong he was. People do change when they see the light, I especially reference St. Augustine… and a new heart will set you free. I agree with the “poof” of obama and add clinton to that “poof”.
 
At the time of his presidency, his womanizing wasn’t widely known. It came out after his death.
 
How do Catholics who supported [ Insert Male Name ] reconcile his view on women?

We can start with the Old Testament and begin dredging up names 😐
 
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No. Are you?

I’m going off some pretty convincing evidence that he’s pro-life “conversion” was half-hearted, at best. The problem with Trump's change of heart on abortion (COMMENTARY)
But I find it difficult to cheer Trump’s conversion, because the reason he gives for being pro-life doesn’t correspond to the pro-life ethic.

Trump says he is pro-life because of a “superstar” child who could have been aborted.

Consider how he responded to a reporter who wondered if he would have become pro-life had the child been a “loser”: “Probably not, but I’ve never thought of it. I would say no, but in this case it was an easy one because he’s such an outstanding person.”

To summarize Trump’s view: “I’m pro-life because we shouldn’t abort fetuses that may grow up to be outstanding people.”

But opponents of abortion take a different position: “I’m pro-life because we shouldn’t kill innocent human beings, no matter who they might grow up to be.”
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Yes, Kennedy was an adulterer and one of the most popular presidents among the liberals and even conservatives, probably at least half of whom were Catholics. But so many presidents were also adulterers, one in the past (name forgotten at the moment) even had children with his slave while first lady hid her eyes. Why, all of a sudden, are people so outraged at what Donald Trump did in his personal life way before he ever ran for president, and, at the same time, still support Clinton who was a pervert IN the White House, on tax payer’s money?
 
The tone of this thread is a little bothersome. I’m fiercely pro-life. I also can’t abide by this idea that any elected official can get away with anything - including a demeaning, condescending, and prejudiced view of over half of the population - else so long as they so much as claim to be pro-life.

I mean, why not. All of the other kids played that way (Biblical, past presidents, etc.) Why can’t Trump?
 
Oh, I support the thread. I just say that whenever I sense a clusterduck is about to unfold.
 
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If a lock goes on, so be it. I hope that people here are above lock-worthy behavior, though.

It’s an important conversation at least to attempt . . .
 
Precisely the reason I voted for him, and he hasn’t disappointed me.
 
How many of the original 17 (Republican candidates back in 2016) at one time or another in their life have not said the same kinds of things Trump has said about women? Maybe 1 or two of them (minus the women candidates of course).

Language like Trump used on the famous Bush bus recordings are common place and very few men have not used that kind of language at one time or another.

He’s one of the many in this regard, not one of the few. Not excusing it, just being realistic.
 
I was reading the Bob Woodward book, and early on it explained how Trump became “pro-life”. He was meeting with Steve Bannon and someone else, and they were thinking of recruiting him to run in 2012. Someone mentioned you have to be pro-life nowadays to get the GOP nomination. Trump was like “then I’m pro-life”. It was simply like that. “I’ll be pro-life then”.
 
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Language like Trump used on the famous Bush bus recordings are common place and very few men have not used that kind of language at one time or another.
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It’s not the language so much as the fact that he admitted to committing sexual assault.
 
blackforest said:
No. Are you?

I’m going off some pretty convincing evidence that he’s pro-life “conversion” was half-hearted, at best. https://religionnews.com/2016/01/26/problem-trumps-change-heart-abortion-commentary/
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I don’t pretend to know someone else’s mind. What you’ve shown to be “pretty convincing evidence” is simply a commentary from a news source that I’ve never heard of. I’ll stick with believing my own ears, and my police sergeant (retired) husband always said I would have made a great detective… he I trust. 😄
I’ve seen MANY pro-choice people change their mind completely after the birth of a child, my own husband being one of them, I would imagine that much more thought went into Trump’s change of heart, than just the conclusion he announced…there was a process (not a “poof”).
 
If Trump had got Stormy Daniels up the duff I’m sure he would have paid for an abortion.
 
blackforest said:
including a demeaning, condescending, and prejudiced view of over half of the population - else so long as they so much as claim to be pro-life.
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Show examples of his demeaning, condescending, and prejudiced view of over half of the population. I’ve seen only radical liberal women who promote abortion complain about him, and that’s certainly not half the population. I’ve seen many other women praise him for his support of women. Could it be because I don’t just listen to liberal media who hate Trump?
 
Honestly, I couldn’t stand Donald Trump when he was campaigning. I thought he was a first class jerk. But I voted for him basically in an attempt to prevent Hillary Clinton for getting back in the WH. I guess you could say, I couldn’t stand her even more. But since he has been president, I’m actually very pleased with what he’s doing and attempting to do for the citizens of this country, and with sooooo many trying to block him and making it as hard as possible for him… Am extremely pleased with his open love of this country. He has given up a heck of a lot of money and freedom to be president, not many others (if any) would be that selfless.
 
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