There are no clouds of water vapor in space. Even if there were, this would be an unbiblical argument. So you should either stick to a literal biblical interpretation, or interpret the flood allegorically. Don’t resort to the creationist tactic of pretending to cling to the literal interpretation while at the same time dragging in hypothetical “sciency” sounding arguments about invisible space clouds of water vapor. It will never work.
The Black Sea local flood hypothesis makes good sense. I don’t know whether Turkish geological history supports it.
I actually have but do not know enough people who speak Chinese to verify its validity. However my question still holds: The development of these characters, according to the presentation, had to pre-date the flood, so they either developed after Chinese began keeping written records, in which case the flood did not cover China, or they were developed hundreds of years before the Biblical date of the flood, in which case the Bible timeline is off.
Either that or our own false assumptions about the nature of life and the Universe keep us from understanding what God really means – “my people has not understood.” Isaiah 1:3
Inspace water would more likely be ice like a comet. The Genesis descriptions of the Earth before and after the flood, as I describe, suggest more water held in the upper atmosphere at the time, and no rain.
No, my reasoning simply means that God said He flooded world. My statement takes no scientific position as to how God did that, or if it was local, or global, or anything like that. It does not, imo, matter much how God flooded the world because the lesson is not about the mechanics of the flood. I find quite often people who want to know the mechanical means for God’s actions (call it scientific means if it makes you feel better), are simply avoiding the real messages God is imparting in Scripture–they want to show the world how the Bible is NOT true, rather then learn from the spiritual message that is contained therein. It all simply takes people away from what is important.
They know there was a massive flood there when the bosporous opened to the sea. They have found evidence that there was civilization there before the flood happened. Whether it was “the” flood, or just one more great flood is the question, but it allows for a common source for both the Gilgamesh and Biblical accounts.
Well it doesn’t take a big brain to grasp that. I agree completely.
To know the flood story they must have invented the language after the flood, presumable when separated at Babel they carried the account with them.
In which case the Biblical timing of the flood has to be even more off. That means the flood happened, enough time passed for eight people to grow into a sizable civilization, God scattered them and some went to China. The Chinese then had time to develop a language enough that they were a literate record keeping civilization some 700 years befor the Bible chronolgy says the flood happened.
I agree with your agreement.
The Bible does not say when the flood happened, only that it did. People who try to use Bible geneaologies to determine when the flood took place are standing on shakey ground.
To those who take the Bible literally there is nothing shaky about it. It sounds like you do not. The Bible creates unambiguous timelines through the patriarchal genealogies, and they track forward from Adam and backward from David.
I take the events as literal, but nothing says the geneaologies are complete–they are intended, imo, to demostrate a spiritual reality. For me, that means the flood did happen, Noah did build an Ark, eight people were saved from the flood, they did re-populate the earth, Abraham and all others were real people in real time and part of real history…but those were all the major players in history and do not include lists of the thousands, perhaps millions in the gaps.
See this - the genealogies would put Adam around 10,000 BC. How would this fit?
If the human population had been reduced to a mere eight people, God would have had to fake the human genome to appear as if the flood had never happened. There is no genetic evidence that the human population ever dropped below 3,000-10,000 breeding pairs in the last few hundred thousand years. When a species drops as low as a few pairs, this is called a genetic bottleneck, and it leaves an indelible marker on the genome. The human genome has no such markers, so genetically we can conclude that the population never fell below 3,000-10,000 breeding pairs.
So the flood happened a few hundred thousand years ago then.
